Speculation: Patrik Laine

[Captain Mountain]

Laine + first for Calgary's 2nd. How many draft picks is that drop? I think that would likely be too rich for the habs given the difference in value from liek the 20th OA to 35ish.

I think people are either overestimating how much Montreal wants to move off his entire cap hit or overestimating how much cap space they may need if they think Montreal would move a 1st or 2nd to get off him for 2 months. Feels somewhat similar to the Price discussions last summer.

 

[TS Quint]

Are there any reports of him being around the Canadiens at this point?

I wouldn’t be shocked to hear his mental health is coming into play again and they LTIR him.

I wouldn’t be surprised is he ever comes back. I don’t think he likes people (or vice versa). I don’t think he likes hockey either, he’s just good at it. The guy has been given a shot from god, you can’t teach that but doesn’t seems to have progressed in any other aspect of the game. Hard work and dedication to the game just isn’t his thing. I think he has enough money he doesn’t have to take a show me contract and enter yet another dressing room full of people who don’t like him.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

When was Panarin ever rumoured to Montreal? He didn't fit what Montreal needs and there's something going on among Gorton/Drury/Dolan where Montreal and NYR don't really want to talk to eachother.

I don’t know the guy who does the Devils Locked On podcast said it.

 

[Hunter368]

Another option from a Jets pov is DeMelo for Laine+++, no retention on Laine needed, but Jets can retain on DeMelo if it’s worth it. This helps Habs multi ways, Hutson gets his defensive rock as a partner with term, dumps Laine cap hit and roster spot so they add at the TDL if desired. That being said, the +++ on top of Laine would be fairly significant bc he’s a cap dump and DeMelo is a good defensive top 4 D with term.

 

[TS Quint]

I think people are either overestimating how much Montreal wants to move off his entire cap hit or overestimating how much cap space they may need if they think Montreal would move a 1st or 2nd to get off him for 2 months. Feels somewhat similar to the Price discussions last summer.

I agree, I don’t see much chance of the Habs giving away a 1st or 2nd or anything crazy. But if he does come back that’s a very different situation from Price where the money he was being paid was most likely coming from insurance not from the team.

 

[mm11]

Isles need a guy who can core a freakin PP goal. 3rd rounder and a lifetime supply of Long Island bagels?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Another option from a Jets pov is DeMelo for Laine+++, no retention on Laine needed, but Jets can retain on DeMelo if it’s worth it. This helps Habs multi ways, Hutson gets his defensive rock as a partner with term, dumps Laine cap hit and roster spot so they add at the TDL if desired. That being said, the +++ on top of Laine would be fairly significant bc he’s a cap dump and DeMelo is a good defensive top 4 D with term.

I suspect the +++ won't work for Montreal given Demelo's age.

 

[Hunter368]

I suspect the +++ won't work for Montreal given Demelo's age.

Depends on what they are tbh, but it sure wouldn’t be any mid to late picks or career AHL guys. Look at DeMelo numbers, he’s still performing at a high level on a horrible team this year. The +++ doesn’t mean three pieces necessarily, it’s just a visual representation of value.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Laine and a 2nd round pick, or upgrading what would be a 2nd to a 1st, to get a rental (add more depending on the rental) could make a lot of sense for either of Columbus (Jenner) or Chicago (Dickinson or Murphy). Of if Montreal wants Kadri or Coleman from Calgary, I suspect that something could be done there.

I'd value the dump of Laine as a 2nd, so, for example, if Dickinson is valued at a 2nd and 3rd on his own, make it a 1st to take Laine for the rest of the year. Or something like that.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Depends on what they are tbh, but it sure wouldn’t be any mid to late picks or career AHL guys. Look at DeMelo numbers, he’s still performing at a high level on a horrible team this year.

That's probably why it won't work for Montreal. DeMelo would be pricey, but he's still 32 and it doesn't sound like Montreal's really looking at top-4 D right now, they want to play Guhle more.

 

[Hunter368]

That's probably why it won't work for Montreal. DeMelo would be pricey, but he's still 32 and it doesn't sound like Montreal's really looking at top-4 D right now, they want to play Guhle more.

In the RD for Hutson thread seems like a fair number of Habs fans would love to add someone like DeMelo to help Hutson pairing. Just saying, but who knows what management wants.

 

[Captain Mountain]

In the RD for Hutson thread seems like a fair number of Habs fans would love to add someone like DeMelo to help Hutson pairing. Just saying, but who knows what management wants.

I feel like that's more of a fan thing, especially on here. Hutson's playing with Dobson right now that should frankly be Montreal's 1st pair.

 

[martyg]

KH was hailed as being a hero for acquiring Laine, and he has barely played

Back then, all I heard around here was that it is a "low risk, high reward" move, and that contract was not a problem to take on

Looks like it was quite the opposite, high risk, and low reward, and now all of a sudden that "no problem" contract becomes a big problem

 

[YP44]

I think people are either overestimating how much Montreal wants to move off his entire cap hit or overestimating how much cap space they may need if they think Montreal would move a 1st or 2nd to get off him for 2 months. Feels somewhat similar to the Price discussions last summer.

I think it only makes sense if Montreal has something else imminent that uses the space, otherwise no point.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Another option from a Jets pov is DeMelo for Laine+++, no retention on Laine needed, but Jets can retain on DeMelo if it’s worth it. This helps Habs multi ways, Hutson gets his defensive rock as a partner with term, dumps Laine cap hit and roster spot so they add at the TDL if desired. That being said, the +++ on top of Laine would be fairly significant bc he’s a cap dump and DeMelo is a good defensive top 4 D with term.

Laine is definitely not the main piece in trade so shouldn't he go last.

 

[Hunter368]

Laine is definitely not the main piece in trade so shouldn't he go last.

Sure, I think everyone knows Laine is a cap dump based on the OP. What the Habs payment would be to take Laine and get DeMelo would be pretty darn good imo, wouldn’t be cheap bc Laine is that bad and DeMelo would be a great fit for Hutson pairing. Personally I would want the return be focused on forward++ from the Habs, but of course others will have a different opinion on the return. Jets need speed, scoring and youth. IMO

 

[JiggywithGibby]

I doubt he needs to be "dumped" prior to making a deal as much as he needs to be a toss in on the deal they want to make. Very few (none?) teams who are up against the caps are expected to be selling pieces this season, so including Laine as needed salary the other way should be easy (unless Laine decides to be the problem)

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Pittsburgh has cap space, but yes definitely need to attach a draft pick to accommodate, same way Montreal received one from the Jackets

 

[Checkmate17]

Gezzz habs are not giving up a first or a 2nd even a 3rd pick to unload Laine.

IF a team what's to give him a try it would be something like

Laine 50% + 5th rd pick
for
future

 

[SC Cannon]

Laine and a 2nd round pick, or upgrading what would be a 2nd to a 1st, to get a rental (add more depending on the rental) could make a lot of sense for either of Columbus (Jenner) or Chicago (Dickinson or Murphy). Of if Montreal wants Kadri or Coleman from Calgary, I suspect that something could be done there.

I'd value the dump of Laine as a 2nd, so, for example, if Dickinson is valued at a 2nd and 3rd on his own, make it a 1st to take Laine for the rest of the year. Or something like that.

You got a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ body slam hulk Hogan in the Jackets locker room than Laine.

 

[Favster]

KH was hailed as being a hero for acquiring Laine, and he has barely played

Back then, all I heard around here was that it is a "low risk, high reward" move, and that contract was not a problem to take on

Looks like it was quite the opposite, high risk, and low reward, and now all of a sudden that "no problem" contract becomes a big problem

He was a big reason why the Habs made the playoffs last year, he scored tons of big goals on the PP. Unfortunately, given the team's evolution he's now a redundant piece and his 5 on 5 play is just not good enough. If we strap on a 2nd, like Columbus did to send him to us, we can move him tomorrow I'm pretty sure of that. KH is most likely shopping around trying to find the best deal possible at this point. I don't see him as a ''big problem'' the way you're making it out to be.

 

[Nanuuk]

Laine + first for Calgary's 2nd. How many draft picks is that drop? I think that would likely be too rich for the habs given the difference in value from liek the 20th OA to 35ish.

Of course I was just being cheeky (given the Monahan trade). But getting their first back in a more complicated trade isn't out of the question.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Quick for Laine/2nd

 

[SI90]

His career is so odd. Came into the league as a teenager and was a scoring machine the first 2-3 years. He then was being called out for being lazy and not fully focusing on hockey. Has production dipped a bit, but he still scored. He’s still young at 27 but with a few injuries and not as much production, you have to wonder what kind of player he is going to be going forward.

He has another year left after this one at $8.7mil AAV. Not sure what his value is, but I have to imagine with the injuries and recent lack of production plus his price tag. I don’t think the Habs should be expecting much back in a trade.

 

[Vegaspunk]

You got a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ body slam hulk Hogan in the Jackets locker room than Laine.

Werenski would probably Tonya Harding him the minute he set foot in the building