Value of: Patrik Laine

This sounds so familiar...almost like CBJ fans had that discussion for a while...and it never happened. We kept hoping for that healthy season. knowing he would put it all together again and get back to being a good player. Until he couldn't, didn't and wasn't. I was that guy hoping. I don't wish ill will on him or the Habs fans. It's just funny how the exact same discussions are happening yet again. Get over the hopes and just recognize it's a sunk cost and the potential impact is not only on the budget, but the team morale and development. That's the cost you're paying now.

Yep, but the difference is Laine isn't/wasn't supposed to be part of the real solution in MTL, we got paid to get him.

He was a guess, a low risk/high reward kind of deal...

And next year, nobody really expect the Habs to be contenders, and the team has no cap problem anyway, so why should they pay to get rid of him?

The worst case scenario is he stays healthy (which, probability speaking, probably won't happen) and plays like shit.
They'll then send him home for the rest of the season/his contract..

No big deal...

Best case scenario, he stays healthy and play relatively well (according to his standards).
Habs then trade him at the TD for whatever they can get ..

I really don't see, in Habs situation, what's the incentive to pay in order to get rid of him...
 
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Fom what I’ve seen so far is not a lack of effort but he seems gased and doesn’t move his feet. He’s got no time to make a play because he’s stationary when he receive the puck and can’t make room for himself so he rushes a pass or make a bad play.
I get what you're saying, but you kinda just described a lack of effort though.
 
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Habs gave Lanie the perfect chance to rehab his reputation and get back to playing top level hockey. He had a good start but NOW it's clear he will never be the Lanie from the past. With this his last chance to rehab his game it's over for Lanie. Habs will buy him out next year and If Lanie plays again it will be in Finland and even that is a big maybe. Nobody in the NHL will touch him now. I don't blame the Habs for trying it might have paid off.

Buying Laine out would be an incredibly useless move. Montreal doesn't need 4M of Laine's cap space in 2025-2026 and then be impacted in 2026-2027.

We’re gonna waste 17 millions of cap space for having a complete liability thats hurting whatever line he plays on at 5v5. I know what the trade was.

Thank you for your contribution, Bergevin. Having 8 million of free cap just sitting there and doing nothing is obviously better. They were not going to use that cap space and weaponized to get a pick and gamble on a "high risk" forward (that wasn't high risk to Montreal because that cap space was not needed).

I don’t disagree with your point.

My only question is can Montreal afford to keep him another entire year?

They are year 4 in the rebuild, look on the precipice of being a wildcard team, which is good progress. But this guy is bringing them backwards.

I can’t imagine he’d be good for the development of the team. Vets are supposed to set the tone.

They obviously can. They'll just let him go in 2026 (or trade him beforehand) if he doesn't fit after that. They don't need his cap this summer.

I love how Montreal fans we praising this guy like a god. Now look.
As I mentioend, this guy is a HUGE Cancer....Stay away.

You're quoting a Jets fan.

Most Habs fan were aware Laine was a gamble. To me, it's still a positive trade.
 
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I really don't see, in Habs situation, what's the incentive to pay in order to get rid of him...
I figure he's worth flipping for another bad contract for an underwhelming player. Maybe a longer one, but with a lower AAV, from a team trying to get out of a longer commitment.

Talk of Montreal paying to move his cap aren't being realistic.
 
I figure he's worth flipping for another bad contract for an underwhelming player. Maybe a longer one, but with a lower AAV, from a team trying to get out of a longer commitment.

Talk of Montreal paying to move his cap aren't being realistic.

I'd personally prefer the shorter, bigger contract as the Habs might need the cap space in 26-27.

We're about sure we don't really need it in 25-26, so let's put the money burden on that season...
 
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Thank you for your contribution, Bergevin. Having 8 million of free cap just sitting there and doing nothing is obviously better. They were not going to use that cap space and weaponized to get a pick and gamble on a "high risk" forward (that wasn't high risk to Montreal because that cap space was not needed).

Thank you for your contribution sarcastic global mod. Can you intel us more of your insider knowledge of how they knew in advance how they are gonna use their 25-26 cap ?
 
I get what you're saying, but you kinda just described a lack of effort though.
It can be a lot of things. A lack of effort, being out of shape, being tired, being afraid to get injured again etc…

From my (personal) experience, it has more to do with being afraid to get injured again or being out of shape or probably even both.
 
I'm really looking forward to seeing Laine play with players of his talent level, if only at the latest next year when Demidov is here.

We can evaluate him then and see how to move forward...
 
Thank you for your contribution sarcastic global mod. Can you intel us more of your insider knowledge of how they knew in advance how they are gonna use their 25-26 cap ?

25-26 cap will be ok for Habs, thanks for being worried.

Savard, Evans, Dvorak and Armia salaries will be off the book (around 13 mil), with good chances of at least three of them being replaced by ELC in Beck, Demidov and Mailloux...

Around 4,2 mil in retention money will be off the book too (Allen and Petry).

And the salary cap will rise from 88 mil to 95,5 mil.

Ho, and there's the Price's LTIR cap loose of 10,5 mil, if needs be...

So yeah, we're gonna be ok...
Even with Laine being sent home if his presence has a bad influence on younger guys...
 
In which case Montreal keeps Laine. The Canadiens don't have cap issues for 2025-26, so they have no incentive to make a cap dump trade.
As long as your good with strong likelihood of habs missing playoffs and stunting team development.

Weird how Laine hated the losing attitude in Columbus, but since his departure they’ve never done so much with so little. Hope they make the playoffs!
 
25-26 cap will be ok for Habs, thanks for being worried.

Savard, Evans, Dvorak and Armia salaries will be off the book (around 13 mil), with good chances of at least three of them being replaced by ELC in Beck, Demidov and Mailloux...

Around 4,2 mil in retention money will be off the book too (Allen and Petry).

And the salary cap will rise from 88 mil to 95,5 mil.

Ho, and there's the Price's LTIR cap loose of 10,5 mil, if needs be...

So yeah, we're gonna be ok...
Even with Laine being sent home if his presence has a bad influence on younger guys...

A big part of freed cap space will be taken by Slaf and Guhle raises, maybe Evans too.

I love the logic that wasting cap doesnt matter because, what were we gonna do with it anyway ? It’s not like you can sign free agents in the NHL.

Laine being a toxic presence to younger guys is another good point, glad we agree on something.
 
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A big part of freed cap space will be taken by Slaf and Guhle raises, maybe Evans too.

I love the logic that wasting cap doesnt matter because, what were we gonna do with it anyway ? It’s not like you can sign free agents in the NHL.

Laine being a toxic presence to younger guys is another good point, glad we agree on something.

Ok, you're right, we're screwed by Laine's contract, we're cap strained and should pay to get rid of him...

Happy?
 
Thank you for your contribution sarcastic global mod. Can you intel us more of your insider knowledge of how they knew in advance how they are gonna use their 25-26 cap ?

Because they have a plan. A plan that doesn't include going all in this year or next.

From the get go they were pretty open that they were gambling with Laine and that it was calculated into their plan whether he worked out or not.

Getting Hutson has spread up the Habs’ rebuild. He’s that much of a difference maker. So ,Imo, the Habs will pay the price to move on from Laine this summer. They will send him to a team not so far along in their rebuild. (Cost will be a first, but worth it) I think the Habs move on from msl this summer too.

"It’s probably the decision I’m most proud of. " - Kent Hughes on the MSL hiring. He is not getting let go/fired.

Hughes paying assets to move on from Laine would also be very out of character.
 
Because they have a plan. A plan that doesn't include going all in this year or next.

From the get go they were pretty open that they were gambling with Laine and that it was calculated into their plan whether he worked out or not.



"It’s probably the decision I’m most proud of. " - Kent Hughes on the MSL hiring. He is not getting let go/fired.

Hughes paying assets to move on from Laine would also be very out of character.
Hutson changed the speed of the Habs’ rebuild. That’s why (imo) they will pay the first to move Laine and replace MSL.
We will see what happens over the summer. But I think both of these will occur.
 
Hutson changed the speed of the Habs’ rebuild. That’s why (imo) they will pay the first to move Laine and replace MSL.
We will see what happens over the summer. But I think both of these will occur.
Ok, you're entitled to your opinion and it's worth as much as mine.

But if I was you, I wouldn't bet my house on neither of those 😉

And frankly, I wouldn't bet my house on mine neither, NHL is such an unpredictable league
 
Hutson changed the speed of the Habs’ rebuild. That’s why (imo) they will pay the first to move Laine and replace MSL.
We will see what happens over the summer. But I think both of these will occur.

1. Hutson did not change the speed of the rebuild. This season is basically going the way they said it would last summer. They already said the hot streak they had is not changing their plans.

2. That quote from Hughes is from two weeks ago. I doubt the situation changed since then. So either Hughes is a liar or something big happen.

3. If Laine goes, it's either directly in a hockey trade or to accommodate a hockey trade. He won't be simply dumped.
 
I've had several comments in here and, to be clear, they are a bit tongue in cheek because I literally said many of the same things when Laine was with Columbus because I so badly wanted him to work out or get to a point of moving him for value. In my opinion, there is a pattern with Laine and we, as fans, see where he was drafted and know what he is truly (was?) capable of so we hope and try to will it to happen. What I'm reading in this thread is solely around how Laine will not impact the Cap because it's going up and he has just one year left. What I think Columbus has learned is that there is more than the dollar/Cap to be considered as you rebuild.

Laine made it very clear he did not want to be part of the future in Columbus. That meant he HAD to go. At this point, I get it, he hasn't taken that position in Montreal (not to my knowledge anyway). So you all are right, he doesn't NEED to be moved. The question is, does he NEED to STAY? What else is he impacting that maybe isn't Cap related? That's where I think the biggest step forward has come for Columbus. Again, not apples to apples as they changed the coach and GM as well, but they are getting more overall value out of players like JVR and Jack Johnson than they would have from Laine. Laine wants to be a star. Wants the puck. He's making the same mistakes trying to make the team better (in his eyes) that he did in Columbus and even Winnipeg.

Long way of saying, I think he's a problem for your rebuild and it isn't because of his impact to the Cap. I think it's an impact to the room, team structure and coaches system. I wish no ill will, but I don't think the Habs should be thought to be so far behind Columbus in a rebuild but that's what I keep reading. Laine is a problem for you. I think he is for any young team trying to move forward.
 
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I made a Laine hype-video to increase his trade value, focusing on his Habs-moments:


Im 100 % sure that teams are lining up to trade for him, and were in line already before they saw this video.

GMs when they hear Patrik Laine is available:
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Patty after hearing about the offers:
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MSL feeling the separation anxiety:
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Patty seen leaving Montreal, heartbroken:
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The End.
 
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I've had several comments in here and, to be clear, they are a bit tongue in cheek because I literally said many of the same things when Laine was with Columbus because I so badly wanted him to work out or get to a point of moving him for value. In my opinion, there is a pattern with Laine and we, as fans, see where he was drafted and know what he is truly (was?) capable of so we hope and try to will it to happen. What I'm reading in this thread is solely around how Laine will not impact the Cap because it's going up and he has just one year left. What I think Columbus has learned is that there is more than the dollar/Cap to be considered as you rebuild.

Laine made it very clear he did not want to be part of the future in Columbus. That meant he HAD to go. At this point, I get it, he hasn't taken that position in Montreal (not to my knowledge anyway). So you all are right, he doesn't NEED to be moved. The question is, does he NEED to STAY? What else is he impacting that maybe isn't Cap related? That's where I think the biggest step forward has come for Columbus. Again, not apples to apples as they changed the coach and GM as well, but they are getting more overall value out of players like JVR and Jack Johnson than they would have from Laine. Laine wants to be a star. Wants the puck. He's making the same mistakes trying to make the team better (in his eyes) that he did in Columbus and even Winnipeg.

Long way of saying, I think he's a problem for your rebuild and it isn't because of his impact to the Cap. I think it's an impact to the room, team structure and coaches system. I wish no ill will, but I don't think the Habs should be thought to be so far behind Columbus in a rebuild but that's what I keep reading. Laine is a problem for you. I think he is for any young team trying to move forward.
So much this.

Our team did a 180 the minute we got him the hell out of the room. Montreal and Columbus are in very similar parts of their rebuilds. Id be willing to bet they'll go through the same thing.
 
Lol,

The posters in here are like goldfish in a pond getting crumbs thrown to them.

Relax, let’s wish and hope he can find his form/mature over the next couple years.

If he shows absolutely no progress by next summer then maybe he walks. If the habs like his progress then give him a couple more years.
 
1. Hutson did not change the speed of the rebuild. This season is basically going the way they said it would last summer. They already said the hot streak they had is not changing their plans.

2. That quote from Hughes is from two weeks ago. I doubt the situation changed since then. So either Hughes is a liar or something big happen.

3. If Laine goes, it's either directly in a hockey trade or to accommodate a hockey trade. He won't be simply dumped.
In your opinion Hutson isn’t a game changer. My opinion is different. I think Hutson definitely speeds up the rebuild. He’s too good to not do so. Laine, as a result, will be moved. And if that takes a first added, then it’s well worth it. Teams changing from the rebuild mentality of winning not being important to competing often change their HC at that point.
 

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