O.K. and why Ovie? He is an generational talent, if he's healthy, he can break Wayne Gretzky's record.
Player Discussion Patrik Laine
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so your saying okay to that i was saying, the numbers you were showing were to show he had fallen off, and why ovi because laine was hyped to be a an ovechkin level goal scorer after his first 2 seasons especially after just coming 2nd in league goal scoring in only his second season at age 19.
based off his career so far i would say hes at Tarasenkos level as a goal scorer, a passer, and point producer just based off their stats.
What happened to Patrik Laine goal scoring after his first two seasons?
He did really good his first two seasons scoring his first season (2016-2017, 18 years of age) 36 goals in 73 games (on pace for 40 goals) then his second season (2017-2018, 19 years of age) 44 goals in 82 games coming in 2nd for most goals in the league then after that he hasn't been able to put up those goal scoring totals since. The next season (2018-2019, 20 years of age) he has a big drop off and only scores 30 goals in 82 games and then never played a full season again but all those seasons he never was on pace for 40 goals in 82 games (2019-2020, 21 years of age) 28 goals in 68 games (lockout season teams playing only 68 to 71 games that depending on which team his played 71) he was on pace for 34 goals in 82 games, (2020-2021, 22 years of age) 12 goals in 46 games (lockout season all teams playing a max of 56 games, He played on game for the jets then was traded to the blue jackets and played the rest of his games there) he was on pace for 21 goals in 82 games, (2021-2022, 23 years of age) 26 goals in 56 games that put him on pace for 38 goals in 82 games (the closest he would ever get to 40 goals), (2022-2023, 24 years of age) 22 goals in 55 games puts him on pace for 33 goals in 82 games, (2023-2024, 25 years of age) 6 goals in 18 games that puts him on pace for 27 goals in 82 games. The only time he was on pace or got 40 or more goals was 2016-2017 he got 36 goals in 73 games that puts him on pace for 40 goals in 82 games and 2017-2018 he got 44 goals in 82 games, the closest he would ever get to 40 goals again is (2021-2022, 23 years of age) 26 goals in 56 games that put him on pace for 38 goals in 82 games. Just in case anybody brings up the fact he has had injuries and healthy scratches , I know he has had injuries in the past but none of them were career altering or career ending injuries and He was healthy scratched because he was under performing.
Under is the explanation I came up with give me your thoughts on my explanation?
The explanation for his fall off that I came up with is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers. He is an above average player that has a good shot and good hands and can put up 30-40 something goals a season, can put up 30-40 something assist a season, and can produce just under or a point per game. The reasons behind his fall off is not mental health, is not injuries, is not the Jake McCabe hit, is not him being healthy scratched, is not the league figured his tendencies out, is not that the power play goals were not there, is not that he had no confidence, is not that he was not able to utilize his strengths, is not him trying to re-invent his game, is not him trying to focus on being a complete player, is not weak work ethic, is not poor conditioning, is not attitude problems, is not gaining weight, is not his Fortnite addiction, is not management problems, I under is the explanations for how all of these reasons are not the reasons for his fall off.
Mental Health Problems
The reason for Laine falling off is not mental health problems. I'm not saying he didn't have problems before I am saying based on what I found he got mental health problems when his dad died but his dad died November 21st 2021 when he was with the Blue Jackets, he fell off before 2021 and was when with the Jets, and it makes sense that he had mental health problems when his dad died, his mental health problems were depression and anxiety and if your dad just died you would probably have depression and most people with depression also have anxiety In this article https://athlonsports.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/canadiens-patrik-laine-struggles-linked-father-death it says "According to Gelinas, Laine's mental health issues might be related to the sudden death of his father in 2021, a dramatic event that could have turned into a significant factor behind the player's issues on and off the ice." This statement proves that he most likely got his mental health problems when his dad died. It also says "Gelinas pointed out that following his father's passing, Laine's career trajectory took a downturn." This statement is not true his numbers during 2021 actually got better than they were before his dad died, so this means his dads death did not affect his numbers or at least didn't affect them and a negative way. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Injuries
The reason Laine fell off is not because of injuries. Yes he's had injuries but they were never career ending or career altering injuries, Even if wasn't hurt and always health, and played every game of his career theres not one season he was on pace for 40 or more goals except his first season he was on pace for 40 goals in 82 games and his second season he got 44 goals in 82 games, then he fell off and the closest he ever got to being on pace for 40 or more goals was 2021-2022 he was on pace for 38 goals in 82 games. These are his on pace goal, assist, and point totals, (2016-2017)
40 goals, 31 assist, 72 points, (2017-2018) 44 goals, 26 assist, 70 points, (2018-2019) 30 goals, 20 assist, 50 points, (2019-2020) 34 goals, 42 assist, 76 points, ( In 2020-2021 he played on game with the jets and got 2 goals and 1 assist for 3 point I am not going to include this game) (2020-2021) 20 goals, 21 assist, 38 points, (2021-2022) 38 goals, 44 assist, 82 points, (2022-2023) 33 goals, 45 assist, 78 points, (2023-2024) 27 goals, 14 assist, 41 points. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers. He is an above average player that has a good shot and good hands and can put up 30-40 something goals a season, can put up 30-40 something assist a season, and can produce just under or a point per game.
Jake McCabe Hit
The reason Laine fell off is not the Jake McCabe hit. Before the hit if we include the game he got hit he had 21 goals in 42 games which put him on pace for 41 goals in 82 games and and the rest of the games he played he had 15 goals in 31 games which puts him on pace for 39 goals in 82 games and if we don't include the game he gets hit that gives him 21 goals in 41 games which put him on pace for 42 goals in 82 games and then for the rest of the games he played 15 goals in 31 games which put him on pace for 39 goals in 82 games. The numbers he put up that season 36 goals in 73 games puts him on pace for 40 goals and if we don't include the game he got hit its 36 goals in 72 games which puts him on pace 41 goals in in 82 games, and taking away the game matters because although he played that game he still had 14 minutes left to play were he could have scored one goal or more but he didn't get the chance because he left after the hit and since he didn’t get to play the full game I’m removing it so it doesn’t count against him since he didn't get the full game to try and score one goal or more. So he was on pace to put to up almost the same amount goals before the hit (21 goals 42 games on pace for 41 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 21 goals 41 games on pace for 42 goals in 82 games) , after the hit (15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games), and the pace he was on based off the numbers he did put up during the season (36 goals in 73 games on pace for 40 goals in 82 games including the game he got hit and 36 goals 72 games on pace 41 goals in 82 games not including the game he got hit) so his play afterwards was not impacted by the hit. Also he put 44 goals in 82 games so he put up about the same amount goals he was on pace to put the last season before the hit (21 goals 42 games on pace for 41 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 21 goals 41 games on pace for 42 goals in 82 games) , after the hit (15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games), and the pace he was on based off the numbers he did put up during the season (36 goals in 73 games on pace for 40 goals in 82 games including the game he got hit and 36 goals 72 games on pace 41 goals in 82 games not including the game he got hit) so the hit didn't impact his play the next season. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
When I say including the game he got hit I mean the games all the games to when he got hit and including that game and then after the hit when I say including the game he got I’m just saying it so you know which one is which. Then when i say not including the game he got hit i mean every game up till the game he got hit and we take the whole game away he got hit as if he didn't play it, then after the hit when i say including the game he got I’m just saying it so you know which one is which.
Healthy Scratches
The reason Laine fell off is not because of healthy scratches. He was a healthy scratch because he was under performing. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
The League Figured His Tendencies Out
The reason Laine fell off is not because the league figured his tendencies out. Ovi has the tendency to score from the left circle on the power play and Laine has the tendency to score from the left circle on the power play as well so if they have similar tendency and teams have tried to stop them both why has Ovi been able to continue to score but Laine hasn't, the answer I came up with is Laine has a skill issue because Laine and Ovi have a similar tendency and teams have tried to stop them both but has Ovi been able to continue to score but Laine hasn't. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Power Play Goals Were Not There
The reason Laine fell off is not because the power play goals were not there. Yes the power play helped him get goal production but you still have to be skilled to get power play goals and if he's not able to get power play goals thats a skill issue. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
No Confidence
The reason Laine fell off is not because Laine had no confidence. Yes he’s been known for to have problems with having no confidence but most of the times when he had no confidence it came from having slumps but he doesn't have slumps all the time so that means he doesn't have no confidence all of the time which means that can't be the reason for his fall off. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Not Able To Utilize His Strengths
The reason Laine fell of is not because he is not able to utilize his strengths, he was able utilize his strengths he used his shots and his hands which are his strengths, especially on the power play where he used his one-tee, it's just that his skills were only good enough to produce the numbers that he produced. That proves my point that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Trying to Reinvent Himself
The reason Laine fell off is not because he was trying to re-invent himself as a player. When he was trying to re-invent himself as a player it wasn’t at the time he he fell off so that can be the reason he fell off. That proves my point that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Focused On Being A Complete Player
The reason Laine fell off is not focus on being a complete player. I'm not saying he's not trying to focus on being a complete player and start trying to set up players and wanting to be a center right now but when he fell off he was not trying to focus on being a complete player and start trying to set up players and wanting to be a center, he was a goal scoring winger.
Weak Work Ethic
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has a weak work ethic. He does not have weak work ethic. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Poor Conditioning
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has poor conditioning. He does not have poor conditioning. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Attitude Problems
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has attitude problems. He does not have attitude problems. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Gaining Weight
The reason Laine fell off is not because of gaining weight. Him gaining weight has nothing to do with his skill for example Ovi was 210-220 when he was younger and he was good and Laine is only 204 as of right now and even if he did weigh more before now he didn't weight more than 220. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Fortnite Addiction
The reason Laine fell off is not because of his Fortnite addiction. In this article Winnipeg Jets Paul Maurice Helping Patrik Laine Through Fortnite Trouble it says "Laine took his first day off Fortnite November 18 and since then had 11 goals in 4 games" but that doesn't explain afterwards, if he stop playing Fortnite November 18th and the scored the 11 goals in 4 games then why after the end of November till the end of the season did he only score 9 goals in 58 games, he had just 18 goals in the month of November thats more than half the amount of goals he had the whole season and he only had 30 goals that season. The rest of the goals he scored were 3 of them coming October before he stopped playing Fortnite and then rest of the goals he got after he stopped playing Fortnite were just 3 in just in the month of December, 1 in January, 4 in February, 1 in March, and 0 in April and hasn't been able to get back to that level of play from his first two seasons after the his first two seasons. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Bad Team
The reason Laine fell off is not because he played on a bad team. Yes he has played on a bad team but he has also played on a good team, the good team was the Winnipeg Jets and the bad team was the Columbus Blue Jackets. He fell off when he was on the Winnipeg Jets. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Management Problems
The reason Laine is not because management problems. Yes he did have management problems but he had management problems with the Jets not the Blue Jackets and when he got to traded to Blue Jackets he level of play was still the same.
He did really good his first two seasons scoring his first season (2016-2017, 18 years of age) 36 goals in 73 games (on pace for 40 goals) then his second season (2017-2018, 19 years of age) 44 goals in 82 games coming in 2nd for most goals in the league then after that he hasn't been able to put up those goal scoring totals since. The next season (2018-2019, 20 years of age) he has a big drop off and only scores 30 goals in 82 games and then never played a full season again but all those seasons he never was on pace for 40 goals in 82 games (2019-2020, 21 years of age) 28 goals in 68 games (lockout season teams playing only 68 to 71 games that depending on which team his played 71) he was on pace for 34 goals in 82 games, (2020-2021, 22 years of age) 12 goals in 46 games (lockout season all teams playing a max of 56 games, He played on game for the jets then was traded to the blue jackets and played the rest of his games there) he was on pace for 21 goals in 82 games, (2021-2022, 23 years of age) 26 goals in 56 games that put him on pace for 38 goals in 82 games (the closest he would ever get to 40 goals), (2022-2023, 24 years of age) 22 goals in 55 games puts him on pace for 33 goals in 82 games, (2023-2024, 25 years of age) 6 goals in 18 games that puts him on pace for 27 goals in 82 games. The only time he was on pace or got 40 or more goals was 2016-2017 he got 36 goals in 73 games that puts him on pace for 40 goals in 82 games and 2017-2018 he got 44 goals in 82 games, the closest he would ever get to 40 goals again is (2021-2022, 23 years of age) 26 goals in 56 games that put him on pace for 38 goals in 82 games. Just in case anybody brings up the fact he has had injuries and healthy scratches , I know he has had injuries in the past but none of them were career altering or career ending injuries and He was healthy scratched because he was under performing.
Under is the explanation I came up with give me your thoughts on my explanation?
The explanation for his fall off that I came up with is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers. He is an above average player that has a good shot and good hands and can put up 30-40 something goals a season, can put up 30-40 something assist a season, and can produce just under or a point per game. The reasons behind his fall off is not mental health, is not injuries, is not the Jake McCabe hit, is not him being healthy scratched, is not the league figured his tendencies out, is not that the power play goals were not there, is not that he had no confidence, is not that he was not able to utilize his strengths, is not him trying to re-invent his game, is not him trying to focus on being a complete player, is not weak work ethic, is not poor conditioning, is not attitude problems, is not gaining weight, is not his Fortnite addiction, is not management problems, I under is the explanations for how all of these reasons are not the reasons for his fall off.
Mental Health Problems
The reason for Laine falling off is not mental health problems. I'm not saying he didn't have problems before I am saying based on what I found he got mental health problems when his dad died but his dad died November 21st 2021 when he was with the Blue Jackets, he fell off before 2021 and was when with the Jets, and it makes sense that he had mental health problems when his dad died, his mental health problems were depression and anxiety and if your dad just died you would probably have depression and most people with depression also have anxiety In this article https://athlonsports.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/canadiens-patrik-laine-struggles-linked-father-death it says "According to Gelinas, Laine's mental health issues might be related to the sudden death of his father in 2021, a dramatic event that could have turned into a significant factor behind the player's issues on and off the ice." This statement proves that he most likely got his mental health problems when his dad died. It also says "Gelinas pointed out that following his father's passing, Laine's career trajectory took a downturn." This statement is not true his numbers during 2021 actually got better than they were before his dad died, so this means his dads death did not affect his numbers or at least didn't affect them and a negative way. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Injuries
The reason Laine fell off is not because of injuries. Yes he's had injuries but they were never career ending or career altering injuries, Even if wasn't hurt and always health, and played every game of his career theres not one season he was on pace for 40 or more goals except his first season he was on pace for 40 goals in 82 games and his second season he got 44 goals in 82 games, then he fell off and the closest he ever got to being on pace for 40 or more goals was 2021-2022 he was on pace for 38 goals in 82 games. These are his on pace goal, assist, and point totals, (2016-2017)
40 goals, 31 assist, 72 points, (2017-2018) 44 goals, 26 assist, 70 points, (2018-2019) 30 goals, 20 assist, 50 points, (2019-2020) 34 goals, 42 assist, 76 points, ( In 2020-2021 he played on game with the jets and got 2 goals and 1 assist for 3 point I am not going to include this game) (2020-2021) 20 goals, 21 assist, 38 points, (2021-2022) 38 goals, 44 assist, 82 points, (2022-2023) 33 goals, 45 assist, 78 points, (2023-2024) 27 goals, 14 assist, 41 points. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers. He is an above average player that has a good shot and good hands and can put up 30-40 something goals a season, can put up 30-40 something assist a season, and can produce just under or a point per game.
Jake McCabe Hit
The reason Laine fell off is not the Jake McCabe hit. Before the hit if we include the game he got hit he had 21 goals in 42 games which put him on pace for 41 goals in 82 games and and the rest of the games he played he had 15 goals in 31 games which puts him on pace for 39 goals in 82 games and if we don't include the game he gets hit that gives him 21 goals in 41 games which put him on pace for 42 goals in 82 games and then for the rest of the games he played 15 goals in 31 games which put him on pace for 39 goals in 82 games. The numbers he put up that season 36 goals in 73 games puts him on pace for 40 goals and if we don't include the game he got hit its 36 goals in 72 games which puts him on pace 41 goals in in 82 games, and taking away the game matters because although he played that game he still had 14 minutes left to play were he could have scored one goal or more but he didn't get the chance because he left after the hit and since he didn’t get to play the full game I’m removing it so it doesn’t count against him since he didn't get the full game to try and score one goal or more. So he was on pace to put to up almost the same amount goals before the hit (21 goals 42 games on pace for 41 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 21 goals 41 games on pace for 42 goals in 82 games) , after the hit (15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games), and the pace he was on based off the numbers he did put up during the season (36 goals in 73 games on pace for 40 goals in 82 games including the game he got hit and 36 goals 72 games on pace 41 goals in 82 games not including the game he got hit) so his play afterwards was not impacted by the hit. Also he put 44 goals in 82 games so he put up about the same amount goals he was on pace to put the last season before the hit (21 goals 42 games on pace for 41 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 21 goals 41 games on pace for 42 goals in 82 games) , after the hit (15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games thats including the game he got hit, not including the game he got hit 15 goals 31 games on pace for 39 goals in 82 games), and the pace he was on based off the numbers he did put up during the season (36 goals in 73 games on pace for 40 goals in 82 games including the game he got hit and 36 goals 72 games on pace 41 goals in 82 games not including the game he got hit) so the hit didn't impact his play the next season. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
When I say including the game he got hit I mean the games all the games to when he got hit and including that game and then after the hit when I say including the game he got I’m just saying it so you know which one is which. Then when i say not including the game he got hit i mean every game up till the game he got hit and we take the whole game away he got hit as if he didn't play it, then after the hit when i say including the game he got I’m just saying it so you know which one is which.
Healthy Scratches
The reason Laine fell off is not because of healthy scratches. He was a healthy scratch because he was under performing. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
The League Figured His Tendencies Out
The reason Laine fell off is not because the league figured his tendencies out. Ovi has the tendency to score from the left circle on the power play and Laine has the tendency to score from the left circle on the power play as well so if they have similar tendency and teams have tried to stop them both why has Ovi been able to continue to score but Laine hasn't, the answer I came up with is Laine has a skill issue because Laine and Ovi have a similar tendency and teams have tried to stop them both but has Ovi been able to continue to score but Laine hasn't. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Power Play Goals Were Not There
The reason Laine fell off is not because the power play goals were not there. Yes the power play helped him get goal production but you still have to be skilled to get power play goals and if he's not able to get power play goals thats a skill issue. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
No Confidence
The reason Laine fell off is not because Laine had no confidence. Yes he’s been known for to have problems with having no confidence but most of the times when he had no confidence it came from having slumps but he doesn't have slumps all the time so that means he doesn't have no confidence all of the time which means that can't be the reason for his fall off. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Not Able To Utilize His Strengths
The reason Laine fell of is not because he is not able to utilize his strengths, he was able utilize his strengths he used his shots and his hands which are his strengths, especially on the power play where he used his one-tee, it's just that his skills were only good enough to produce the numbers that he produced. That proves my point that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Trying to Reinvent Himself
The reason Laine fell off is not because he was trying to re-invent himself as a player. When he was trying to re-invent himself as a player it wasn’t at the time he he fell off so that can be the reason he fell off. That proves my point that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Focused On Being A Complete Player
The reason Laine fell off is not focus on being a complete player. I'm not saying he's not trying to focus on being a complete player and start trying to set up players and wanting to be a center right now but when he fell off he was not trying to focus on being a complete player and start trying to set up players and wanting to be a center, he was a goal scoring winger.
Weak Work Ethic
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has a weak work ethic. He does not have weak work ethic. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Poor Conditioning
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has poor conditioning. He does not have poor conditioning. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Attitude Problems
The reason Laine fell off is not because he has attitude problems. He does not have attitude problems. Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Gaining Weight
The reason Laine fell off is not because of gaining weight. Him gaining weight has nothing to do with his skill for example Ovi was 210-220 when he was younger and he was good and Laine is only 204 as of right now and even if he did weigh more before now he didn't weight more than 220. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Fortnite Addiction
The reason Laine fell off is not because of his Fortnite addiction. In this article Winnipeg Jets Paul Maurice Helping Patrik Laine Through Fortnite Trouble it says "Laine took his first day off Fortnite November 18 and since then had 11 goals in 4 games" but that doesn't explain afterwards, if he stop playing Fortnite November 18th and the scored the 11 goals in 4 games then why after the end of November till the end of the season did he only score 9 goals in 58 games, he had just 18 goals in the month of November thats more than half the amount of goals he had the whole season and he only had 30 goals that season. The rest of the goals he scored were 3 of them coming October before he stopped playing Fortnite and then rest of the goals he got after he stopped playing Fortnite were just 3 in just in the month of December, 1 in January, 4 in February, 1 in March, and 0 in April and hasn't been able to get back to that level of play from his first two seasons after the his first two seasons. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Bad Team
The reason Laine fell off is not because he played on a bad team. Yes he has played on a bad team but he has also played on a good team, the good team was the Winnipeg Jets and the bad team was the Columbus Blue Jackets. He fell off when he was on the Winnipeg Jets. That proves my point that the explanation for his fall off is there is no reason behind him falling off and that the numbers he produced were produced because he was only skilled enough to produce those numbers.
Management Problems
The reason Laine is not because management problems. Yes he did have management problems but he had management problems with the Jets not the Blue Jackets and when he got to traded to Blue Jackets he level of play was still the same.
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Laine hasn't fallen off in Columbus, on the contrary, he has improved his game, becoming a player with good defensive, play without the puck. But when you have centers Jenner and Roslovic, your most played defenseman is Andrew Peeke, in the 2022/23 season your top 4 (defensemen played with most often) are Peeke, Gudbranson, Berni and Gavrikov, overage was needed to return to form after injuries/illness, you can hardly have excellent goal/assist stats. Btw, one played his best hockey in that season.
Made partners better, look at stats his best season.
Never had problems with strength, conditions, attitude or weak work ethic. But with self-confidence yes.
To his psychical problems, he had them minimum before 2022/23 season, look at Mathieu Olivier words. Adam Fantilli claimed it, but in his case only from 2023/24 season (his first season in CBJ).
Further, if you look at the stats better you'll see they were very good at 5v5, not having as many goals was a PP problem, that was horrendous in CBJ every season, even with Panarin.
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This is taking forever, we need him now.
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I stated that he has become a more complete player, and also i was saying that he doesn't to need on the power play, and even tho the players he played with on CBJ are worse than the ones on the Jets his fall off started with the Jets and the Jets were better than CBJ, and i am talking about his goal scoring and his best goal scoring seasons are with the jets. and when i say strengths i am talking about skill not his actual strength, and as for attitude, weak work ethic, and poor conditioning i saw some people saying this on a different thread i posted called patrik laine it is in the national hockey league talk if you would some research and see if its true and share the information that would be great.
can you explain more on this "To his psychical problems, he had them minimum before 2022/23 season, look at Mathieu Olivier words. Adam Fantilli claimed it, but in his case only from 2023/24 season (his first season in CBJ)."
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Wait a minute the big 08 sure knows a lot about *Lainie* it's almost as if....
It's HIM!
It's HIM!
«Les deux années que j'ai été avec lui, il était ouvert avec son besoin d'avoir un petit peu d'aide. Il y avait des choses qui n'allaient pas. J'avais sa confiance à ce niveau, un peu... Je ne rentrai pas dans les détails, mais je pense qu'avec l'été qu'il a eu et l'aide du programme... Il a fait un pas pour se retirer et retrouver le plaisir à jouer au hockey, ça va faire une grosse différence. Je pense que ça lui a fait du bien.»
Comment définit-on Patrik Laine? | «Du talent plein les oreilles» -Mathieu Olivier
Écoutez Mathieu Olivier, coéquipier durant deux ans de Patrik Laine avec les Blue Jackets, parler de ce dernier à Mario Langlois.
Yeah, obviously he had some personal things he had to take care of. That's why he entered the program and I've talked to him and it seems like he's doing well, seems like he's ready to get back into the game and into the grind of things.
He's a good guy, who's got some issues. Very tough to control. I know that he, before the season started, was going to give for every goal and assist, money to mental health. I do know that he's put out a statement since he's gone on the shelf, that mental health is something that people have to deal with. With that being said, you can kind of read between the lines. He's going to have to go through a process to get himself ready to see if he wants to come back. We're all pulling for him. We're hoping like hell he's on the road to recovery.
If you look closely at the stats, you'll see that he's really improved in Columbus. In addition, if you look at his teammates, you can see a big difference. Except Johnny Gaudreau (btw, his stats were worse in CBJ), but he didn't have very good chemistry with him and Johnny made him worse, he not only had better centers (Little, Stastny) but also better defensemen (Byfuglien, Myers, Morrisey, Kulikov, Trouba).
Let's take a look at the goals at 5-5, converted in 82 games:
WPG 2016/17 - 24
WPG 2017/18 - 22
CBJ 2021/22 - 21
CBJ 2022/23 - 19
that's a difference of only 5 goals, or only 3 if you compare the 2017/18 and 2022/23 seasons. Which with the quality of the defenders and centers is a minimal difference.
Moving on, G/60 and P/60 (btw, he played only one game in WPG 2020/21). Btw, in the 2022/23 season he had an injured elbow, which affected his shooting for long time.
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Saundies
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The big consequence of the Laine injury is not necessarily that he's this player who will put the team on his back and lead us to the infamous mix, it's that there are multiple people now in chairs they're not supposed to be in. I'm convinced this is a reason why we've been so bad the last couple of years as well -- an insane amount of injuries forcing guys to play in places they're not ready/suited for. The two main ones:
Armia gets bumped up to the top 6. We've had him for long enough to know that, while he has the talent, the motor isn't there most of the time. Our best bet for secondary scoring has been severely stagnated (and that's been extremely evident in who's scoring).
Dach gets put on PP1. In a regular season, this would be fine. This season, coming off of a full year off, it's been a disaster. He's a step behind physically AND mentally right now. This could change as he gets thrown into the fire every night and is forced to adjust, but during that time there's going to be a lot of pain.
Armia gets bumped up to the top 6. We've had him for long enough to know that, while he has the talent, the motor isn't there most of the time. Our best bet for secondary scoring has been severely stagnated (and that's been extremely evident in who's scoring).
Dach gets put on PP1. In a regular season, this would be fine. This season, coming off of a full year off, it's been a disaster. He's a step behind physically AND mentally right now. This could change as he gets thrown into the fire every night and is forced to adjust, but during that time there's going to be a lot of pain.
I stated that he has become a more complete player, and also i was saying that he doesn't to need on the power play, and even tho the players he played with on CBJ are worse than the ones on the Jets his fall off started with the Jets and the Jets were better than CBJ, and i am talking about his goal scoring and his best goal scoring seasons are with the jets. and when i say strengths i am talking about skill not his actual strength, and as for attitude, weak work ethic, and poor conditioning i saw some people saying this on a different thread i posted called patrik laine it is in the national hockey league talk if you would some research and see if its true and share the information that would be great.«Les deux années que j'ai été avec lui, il était ouvert avec son besoin d'avoir un petit peu d'aide. Il y avait des choses qui n'allaient pas. J'avais sa confiance à ce niveau, un peu... Je ne rentrai pas dans les détails, mais je pense qu'avec l'été qu'il a eu et l'aide du programme... Il a fait un pas pour se retirer et retrouver le plaisir à jouer au hockey, ça va faire une grosse différence. Je pense que ça lui a fait du bien.»
Comment définit-on Patrik Laine? | «Du talent plein les oreilles» -Mathieu Olivier
Écoutez Mathieu Olivier, coéquipier durant deux ans de Patrik Laine avec les Blue Jackets, parler de ce dernier à Mario Langlois.www.985fm.ca
Yeah, obviously he had some personal things he had to take care of. That's why he entered the program and I've talked to him and it seems like he's doing well, seems like he's ready to get back into the game and into the grind of things.
He's a good guy, who's got some issues. Very tough to control. I know that he, before the season started, was going to give for every goal and assist, money to mental health. I do know that he's put out a statement since he's gone on the shelf, that mental health is something that people have to deal with. With that being said, you can kind of read between the lines. He's going to have to go through a process to get himself ready to see if he wants to come back. We're all pulling for him. We're hoping like hell he's on the road to recovery.
If you look closely at the stats, you'll see that he's really improved in Columbus. In addition, if you look at his teammates, you can see a big difference. Except Johnny Gaudreau (btw, his stats were worse in CBJ), but he didn't have very good chemistry with him and Johnny made him worse, he not only had better centers (Little, Stastny) but also better defensemen (Byfuglien, Myers, Morrisey, Kulikov, Trouba).
Let's take a look at the goals at 5-5, converted in 82 games:
WPG 2016/17 - 24
WPG 2017/18 - 22
CBJ 2021/22 - 21
CBJ 2022/23 - 19
that's a difference of only 5 goals, or only 3 if you compare the 2017/18 and 2022/23 seasons. Which with the quality of the defenders and centers is a minimal difference.
Moving on, G/60 and P/60 (btw, he played only one game in WPG 2020/21). Btw, in the 2022/23 season he had an injured elbow, which affected his shooting for long time.
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The only problem with us was that he wanted to pass more, create the play. Jakub Voráček had to scold him not to return the pass, but to shoot. In fact, the Voráček for Nyquist swap on the Voráček - Jenner - Laine line was for the sake of Patrik shooting more. It served its purpose.
Regarding his work ethic, John Tortorella (for Finnish media) and Brad Larsen said it is not right. Also he had very good condition in the start of the season minimum. Zach Werenski said it.
Btw, here is an interesting site:
Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Columbus Blue Jackets star winger Patrik Laine has had an up and down season. But see why he's considered a quiet leader in the locker room.
thehockeywriters.com
Simply, bad work ethic and condition are stories like "he plays Fortnite the whole days".
i'm not saying he didn't want to pass more but when he did it happened more recently so that wasn't when his downfall happened and thank you for the information. Also i did not find anything about him having a weak work ethic, poor conditioning, or attitude problems so i did not think it was true but when i looked it up only answer i could get was the google ai saying he is lazy on defensive play that may have been the case early in his career but not now and also that just makes him lazy on defense not someone with a weak work ethic, and the attitude and poor conditioning i couldn't find anything on so i just went with it since google was saying stuff about his weak work ethic. I also edited the long post i made i will post it again so you can see tell me your thoughts on it.The only problem with us was that he wanted to pass more, create the play. Jakub Voráček had to scold him not to return the pass, but to shoot. In fact, the Voráček for Nyquist swap on the Voráček - Jenner - Laine line was for the sake of Patrik shooting more. It served its purpose.
Regarding his work ethic, John Tortorella (for Finnish media) and Brad Larsen said it is not right. Also he had very good condition in the start of the season minimum. Zach Werenski said it.
Btw, here is an interesting site:
Blue Jackets' Laine Becoming Quiet Leader in Locker Room - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Columbus Blue Jackets star winger Patrik Laine has had an up and down season. But see why he's considered a quiet leader in the locker room.
Simply, bad work ethic and condition are stories like "he plays Fortnite the whole days".
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I still don't know what fall you are talking about. Patrik has become a more complete player, he scores about as many goals when playing 5v5 as he did on the Jets with worse teammates and not as experienced coaches (2021/22 and 2022/23 seasons), he has been able to play center well. All this in spite of incipient mental issues. Is that a downfall in your opinion?
Playing in Columbus helped him. He grew as a player with us, wasn't just a sniper. He learned to use his partners better. If only someone had explained to him that the puck is faster than the skates and that's why he should use passes in transition, like he started to do in the last games of last season.
My prediction is Laine doesn't play this year at all. By the time he heals up (most likely January/February), we'll be out of contention for anything.
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Laine this morning spotted without crutches. He obviously still has the brace. But that is a good sign. I believe Renaud Lavoie also mentioned it on Saturday's broadcast of the Habs game on TVA Sports.
I think people don't realize that 2-3 months rehabs means there is around 1 to 1.5 months of getting back into game shape.
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I got lost on the boards and ended up here just to find this dude yapping this same shit again. Dude your main board thread got locked for a reason.
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I meant in the 2-3 month rehabs, not once they are cleared to play. The last 1-2 months of a rehabs is the player on skates doing solo drills, then non-contact practices and finally 1-2 weeks of full contact team practices.
They might or not still look rusty after that once they are cleared to play for who knows how long (a lots of it is mental).
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