Player Discussion Patrik Laine: ruining the tank

[japhi27returns]

Now that his line mates are starting to gel you can see happening.

Yup, created two key goals on the FLA trip.

 

[sampollock]

Yup, created two key goals on the FLA trip.

he is getting his legs back slowly. Not played much in a year

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[Marioesque]

I had not thought about it but I was told today that Cole Caufield scored his 100th goal in the NHL.

He is considered one of the best scoring wingers in the league, elite shot. He has proven it!

Laine is 2 years older, he has 212 (more than double) goals on a very much broken by injuries career. People need reminded of the potential of this lineup here.

 

[26Mats]

I had not thought about it but I was told today that Cole Caufield scored his 100th goal in the NHL.

He is considered one of the best scoring wingers in the league, elite shot. He has proven it!

Laine is 2 years older, he has 212 (more than double) goals on a very much broken by injuries career. People need reminded of the potential here.

Laine is 2 years and 8 months older than Caufield. And has been in the league even longer. But I like Laine's potential. I'm really looking forward to seeing the top 6 with Demidov.

 

[Marioesque]

Laine is 2 years and 8 months older than Caufield. And has been in the league even longer. But I like Laine's potential. I'm really looking forward to seeing the top 6 with Demidov.

Man, with Demidov added it's gonna be wild.

I have seen Laine with top players in his line and it's great, top talent gets to shine when there's more than one in a line. Demidov brings it.

 

[nippanappa]

Some very basic data I fetched on the powerplay and penalties for this season. Could be maybe posted to other threads, but includes some Laine stuff so posting it here. Few points to note here:

• We got very few powerplay attempts on the last games and Vegas game was the first time this season the opponent got 0 penalties. Is it the effect of teams wanting to avoid Laine-time? Too early to tell, but interesting to keep an eye.
• Not sure how the powerplay percentage is calculated "officially" but based on this simple formula of PPG divided by penalties taken by opponent, our powerplay has been a bit better after Laine. In pure goals, the difference of Laine is +1.3 goals on the attempts we've got after him (35 attempts with previous percentage of 19.1% is 6.685)
• Interestingly, on the last 20 games, there have been only 3 games where the opponent have took more penalties than us. So, very often we are spending more time on the box than the opponent.
• I was also looking for differences of average amount of penalties taken on home vs away, and it seems for some reason in away games, we are drawing significantly fewer penalties (not sure how it compares league wide):
  • Montreal penalties - avg
    • 3.5 (in Montreal)
    • 3.6 (away)
  • Opponent penalties - avg
    • 3.6 (in Montreal)
    • 2.8 (away)
• The data is collected manually, so there's a chance of minor errors (tried to double check)

Edit: the title of the lower chart is wrong btw. The data is correct, meaning we get more penalties than the opponent, just the text is wrong.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

He's still a little slow but I like how he's been doing as a forechecker and how he finishes most of his checks. You can clearly see the skill, there a few instances in the game where I'd expect him to lose the puck or be neutralized but he manages to be sneaky and make a little deke or play to keep possession alive.

Will never be a defensive dynamo but that's fine. Dach is getting back to form on using his reach to intercept passes or kill plays.

 

[BLONG7]

Other teams are trying to not take penalties because of the Laine effect, no doubt in my mind.
The 5 on 5 game is coming and as Dach hopefully turns a corner also......that line was awful in the 1st yesterday, but great the rest of the game.

Also, the no PP stuff, or less PP, wow we are getting stiffed by the refs too....

 

[morhilane]

Also, the no PP stuff, or less PP, wow we are getting stiffed by the refs too....

Amusingly, the Habs are 10th in power play opportunities per games in the league. They gets lots of pp when playing bad teams, but almost none when playing good teams.

 

[BLONG7]

Amusingly, the Habs are 10th in power play opportunities per games in the league. They gets lots of pp when playing bad teams, but almost none when playing good teams.

Interesting eh........

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Amusingly, the Habs are 10th in power play opportunities per games in the league. They gets lots of pp when playing bad teams, but almost none when playing good teams.

I'd be curious if those teams are faster so less prone to having to resort to take penalties due to being behind the play

 

[Vachon23]

Man, with Demidov added it's gonna be wild.

I have seen Laine with top players in his line and it's great, top talent gets to shine when there's more than one in a line. Demidov brings it.

I don’t think we have the center to play with them. They will need a great defensive center with an high motor.

 

[Zilo44]

I don’t think we have the center to play with them. They will need a great defensive center with an high motor.

Jake Evans

 

[Vachon23]

Jake Evans

He’s the best fit but would you want him on the top 6 ?

 

[Lshap]

Some very basic data I fetched on the powerplay and penalties for this season. Could be maybe posted to other threads, but includes some Laine stuff so posting it here. Few points to note here:

• We got very few powerplay attempts on the last games and Vegas game was the first time this season the opponent got 0 penalties. Is it the effect of teams wanting to avoid Laine-time? Too early to tell, but interesting to keep an eye.
• Not sure how the powerplay percentage is calculated "officially" but based on this simple formula of PPG divided by penalties taken by opponent, our powerplay has been a bit better after Laine. In pure goals, the difference of Laine is +1.3 goals on the attempts we've got after him (35 attempts with previous percentage of 19.1% is 6.685)
• Interestingly, on the last 20 games, there have been only 3 games where the opponent have took more penalties than us. So, very often we are spending more time on the box than the opponent.
• I was also looking for differences of average amount of penalties taken on home vs away, and it seems for some reason in away games, we are drawing significantly fewer penalties (not sure how it compares league wide):
  • Montreal penalties - avg
    • 3.5 (in Montreal)
    • 3.6 (away)
  • Opponent penalties - avg
    • 3.6 (in Montreal)
    • 2.8 (away)
• The data is collected manually, so there's a chance of minor errors (tried to double check)

Edit: the title of the lower chart is wrong btw. The data is correct, meaning we get more penalties than the opponent, just the text is wrong.

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This is good stuff – thanks!

No question teams are aware of the Laine effect and are trying to avoid penalties, but didn't the Florida game have a few clear penalties the refs chose to let go?

 

[morhilane]

I'd be curious if those teams are faster so less prone to having to resort to take penalties due to being behind the play

There is some of that, but the last two games against the Lightning and Vegas are a good example of teams who are allowed to be dirty without getting penalties and Savard didn't even get the +2 for blood on his high stick against the Panthers despite cleary bleeding.

 

[salbutera]

I've been preaching this for years, his defensive reputation is just wrong and comes from stat watchers. He's in no way worse defensively than most wingers in the game, but the legend of bad defense has lived on. Finally he's on a market where that myth can't survive because people get to see the reality more.

Laine is also very powerful & quick on board battles, knows how to use his size to protect the puck

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I had not thought about it but I was told today that Cole Caufield scored his 100th goal in the NHL.

He is considered one of the best scoring wingers in the league, elite shot. He has proven it!

Laine is 2 years older, he has 212 (more than double) goals on a very much broken by injuries career. People need reminded of the potential of this lineup here.

Interesting. Laine has played about double the games. Laine averages about 35 goals per 82 and Caufield clocks in at 34. I think those numbers will move up for both players.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Amusingly, the Habs are 10th in power play opportunities per games in the league. They gets lots of pp when playing bad teams, but almost none when playing good teams.

It’s really weird. Almost no PPs lately.

 

[BLONG7]

I think we are 9-4 with Laine in the lineup......
He has ruined the tank....lol

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I think we are 9-4 with Laine in the lineup......
He has ruined the tank....lol

 

[Sorinth]

Some very basic data I fetched on the powerplay and penalties for this season. Could be maybe posted to other threads, but includes some Laine stuff so posting it here. Few points to note here:

• We got very few powerplay attempts on the last games and Vegas game was the first time this season the opponent got 0 penalties. Is it the effect of teams wanting to avoid Laine-time? Too early to tell, but interesting to keep an eye.
• Not sure how the powerplay percentage is calculated "officially" but based on this simple formula of PPG divided by penalties taken by opponent, our powerplay has been a bit better after Laine. In pure goals, the difference of Laine is +1.3 goals on the attempts we've got after him (35 attempts with previous percentage of 19.1% is 6.685)
• Interestingly, on the last 20 games, there have been only 3 games where the opponent have took more penalties than us. So, very often we are spending more time on the box than the opponent.
• I was also looking for differences of average amount of penalties taken on home vs away, and it seems for some reason in away games, we are drawing significantly fewer penalties (not sure how it compares league wide):
  • Montreal penalties - avg
    • 3.5 (in Montreal)
    • 3.6 (away)
  • Opponent penalties - avg
    • 3.6 (in Montreal)
    • 2.8 (away)
• The data is collected manually, so there's a chance of minor errors (tried to double check)

Edit: the title of the lower chart is wrong btw. The data is correct, meaning we get more penalties than the opponent, just the text is wrong.

View attachment 954372

Some interesting data, just for you info, if you go to the nhl.com stats page, there's a penalties report and you can use the filter for home/away if you want to see that type of split.