Player Discussion Patrik Laine: ruining the tank

[sampollock]

I don't think anyone is rushing to do anything on the contract front. Laine or the front office.

In summer I bet ....KH won't wait till he is a UFA

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

I would say scoring goals and stopping pucks are dimensions we’ve been starving for recently.

My understanding was that we were on a path to finding the right chair and learning to not do a play, but the play. Is that phase over yet?

 

[Jack Spider]

Laine is very hot and cold. He's hot right now. Be prepared for when he's not.

Also, the tank isn't being ruined. They'll still finish in the bottom five. There's no way Nashville, Detroit, and Buffalo stay down here with us.

Being hot and cold is to be expected with pure snipers. He's not like a Toffoli or a Pacioretty who can still contribute in other ways. Shooting the puck isn't an exact science. And there's always some luck into it. I understand the playstyle. Trying to cheat, floating around, being selfish, being pissed when you miss your shot. Coaches hating you but still giving you top offensive time. Some people just don't see it though.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Best case scenario is he gives us a discount and signs a 6 years x 8.5 M contract extension this summer

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Being hot and cold is to be expected with pure snipers. He's not like a Toffoli or a Pacioretty who can still contribute in other ways. Shooting the puck isn't an exact science. And there's always some luck into it. I understand the playstyle. Trying to cheat, floating around, being selfish, being pissed when you miss your shot. Coaches hating you but still giving you top offensive time. Some people just don't see it though.

You can't be serious, you're joking right?

 

[KevSkillz4]

Best case scenario is he gives us a discount and signs a 6 years x 8.5 M contract extension this summer

Do it. This guy is unreal without Demidov, imagine WITH.

 

[Jack Spider]

You can't be serious, you're joking right?

lol what ?

 

[Bruce Granville]

I would say scoring goals and stopping pucks are dimensions we’ve been starving for recently.

Those are the secret ingredients to successful hockey, I have been told.
I know, nowadays you don‘t count goals when kids are playing. But to be honest…I do.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Best case scenario is he gives us a discount and signs a 6 years x 8.5 M contract extension this summer

And you think there is no team willing to offer him 7 years, less taxes and maybe even palm trees? And his agent doesn‘t know the cap is rising significantly? Good luck with that.
I think you have to offer him 8 years and at least the same number before taxes other teams south the border will offer him.

 

[Sorinth]

And you think there is no team willing to offer him 7 years, less taxes and maybe even palm trees? And his agent doesn‘t know the cap is rising significantly? Good luck with that.
I think you have to offer him 8 years and at least the same number before taxes other teams south the border will offer him.

Given how much he's talked about wanting to be in a hockey mad market I'm not sure palm trees are actually at the top of his mind.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Given how much he's talked about wanting to be in a hockey mad market I'm not sure palm trees are actually at the top of his mind.

I know. I would not care for warm weather either…but sometimes you take the bad with the good.
If they threaten you with term, money, lower taxes, a competing team and maybe a good buddy of yours, you might forgive them the warm weather.

 

[Sorinth]

I know. I would not care for warm weather either…but sometimes you take the bad with the good.
If they threaten you with term, money, lower taxes, a competing team and maybe a good buddy of yours, you might forgive them the warm weather.

Look there's no guarantee that Laine won't want to maximize his contract, in which case it probably does mean hitting FA and going somewhere with all those things. But there's plenty of reasons why he might not have money as the #1 priority.

And keep in mind offers aren't on the table at the same time. He has to turn down what will likely be a very reasonable deal from MTL without knowing which teams are actually going to be offering all the things he wants.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Look there's no guarantee that Laine won't want to maximize his contract, in which case it probably does mean hitting FA and going somewhere with all those things. But there's plenty of reasons why he might not have money as the #1 priority.

And keep in mind offers aren't on the table at the same time. He has to turn down what will likely be a very reasonable deal from MTL without knowing which teams are actually going to be offering all the things he wants.

See? A reasonable offer would be no problem.
His salary was around 10% of the cap with lower taxes.
You think 6 years instead 8 years possible (the big advantage) AND a pay cut while the cap is rising sound reasonable?
Sorry, that‘s 1.5 out of 2 middle fingers. He will be 28, not 34 like Stamkos.
I‘m not talking about maximizing his contract, but at least show some respect.
I know, fans always try to find the sweetheart deal as GM of their team, but if he stays healthy, Laine will make closer to 10m for the longest possible term.

 

[Miller Time]

Look there's no guarantee that Laine won't want to maximize his contract, in which case it probably does mean hitting FA and going somewhere with all those things. But there's plenty of reasons why he might not have money as the #1 priority.

And keep in mind offers aren't on the table at the same time. He has to turn down what will likely be a very reasonable deal from MTL without knowing which teams are actually going to be offering all the things he wants.

We're a long ways from Laine & the Habs deciding on their future together...

but If he continues to fit in and succeed the way he has, I'll be shocked if we don't see a very "team friendly" extension.

At 28, I could see a 4 year/9-10M per extension, which, for a ppg/40+goal player that age would/will be a huge ufa discount.

Laine has already banked ~70M$. He doesnt strike the profile of an athlete that needs the status of being paid more than similar peers or "set the bar" for them. with his struggles with both internal and tesm dynamics, feeling good where he is is likely to be a huge priority... Crossing that 100M$ mark by 32 years old may well be enough financial comfort and validation to let the "fit" & "be part of something great" priorities weigh more than the "get paid" ones.

We'll see... but if I'm betting today, I'd bet on him being here at less (& potentially far less) than the Ufa market would give him

 

[negative77]

And you think there is no team willing to offer him 7 years, less taxes and maybe even palm trees? And his agent doesn‘t know the cap is rising significantly? Good luck with that.
I think you have to offer him 8 years and at least the same number before taxes other teams south the border will offer him.

Just a little comment on the palm trees: him being from Finland it might be different. He might prefer the more varied and not so hot climate of Canada over the stifling heat of say Florida.

And for Laine, I think being happy is key. If he is happy here, he will sign even if it meanl leaving some cash on the table that he would have gotten in the US.

 

[ReHabs]

See? A reasonable offer would be no problem.
His salary was around 10% of the cap with lower taxes.
You think 6 years instead 8 years possible (the big advantage) AND a pay cut while the cap is rising sound reasonable?
Sorry, that‘s 1.5 out of 2 middle fingers. He will be 28, not 34 like Stamkos.
I‘m not talking about maximizing his contract, but at least show some respect.
I know, fans always try to find the sweetheart deal as GM of their team, but if he stays healthy, Laine will make closer to 10m for the longest possible term.

And, more simply: goal scoring is the most important quality of an NHL player and Laine is a lethal goal scorer. He will get market value no matter what. If we intend to keep him, a big chunk of money should be set aside for him.

Hopefully by the end of the current season we will have some clarity on Laine as a player and his ups and downs and rhythm as a player. It would go a long way in defining his profile for us and whatever contract package seems optimal to offer.

 

[BB88]

And you think there is no team willing to offer him 7 years, less taxes and maybe even palm trees? And his agent doesn‘t know the cap is rising significantly? Good luck with that.
I think you have to offer him 8 years and at least the same number before taxes other teams south the border will offer him.

I think he’s value term over many. He’ll want stability and he wants to play in a market like Montreal

So I’d guess it would be around the same number as now x8

His last few years have been way too broken to be asking anywhere close to superstar money

I’d be honestly amazed if after everything he was after for the max cap hit number

 

[HHel]

Interesting article regarding Laine's shot in finnish paper.

Tästä syystä Patrik Laine tekee tuhoa – ”Hänestä liikkuu urbaanilegenda”

"Laine has had a lot of great shots, but also slow spread passes that few players can shoot with as much power and precision.

Laine is a tall guy (195 cm) with a long reach. His aiming point is not just in one spot. He shoots up, down, and between the goalie's arms.

There is an urban legend about him that his aiming point is in the middle of the goal, which makes the shot more varied.

18 of Laine's 24 shots have been taken at a speed of 113–129 kilometers per hour. The speed of six shots has been between 129–145 kilometers per hour.

Laine's hit on the puck is always good, but the puck does not always leave at the same speed. A bit like in baseball, a good pitcher has different options, such as a spin ball. Laine has a similar ability to vary his shot.

There's an incredible relaxedness to it, and there's no rush. He doesn't try to force himself into one spot, but there's also coverage involved. Some shots go off hard, but Laine also knows how to make a lateral movement to the puck and move a little sideways. In that case, goalies can't read the shot in the same way."

 

[Bruce Granville]

I think he’s value term over many. He’ll want stability and he wants to play in a market like Montreal

So I’d guess it would be around the same number as now x8

His last few years have been way too broken to be asking anywhere close to superstar money

I’d be honestly amazed if after everything he was after for the max cap hit number

I wasn‘t talking about max cap hit.
He is at 10% atm and the cap will go to 100m. So 8m would be a pay cut. It will be half of what McD and other superstars will get.
I agree on max term, but assume his cap hit will stay around 10%…if he stays healthy and continues to score accordingly.
8 x 10m would be a discount to stay in Montréal.
People expecting him to sign for 6 years and for less than he is making now…smh.

Just a little comment on the palm trees: him being from Finland it might be different. He might prefer the more varied and not so hot climate of Canada over the stifling heat of say Florida.

And for Laine, I think being happy is key. If he is happy here, he will sign even if it meanl leaving some cash on the table that he would have gotten in the US.

He is used to the cold winters. But I know enough people who hate it and prefer to live in Spain…

 

[morhilane]

I see that Laine has learned to that the Leafs are the enemies already.

 

[Bruce Granville]

I see that Laine has learned to that the Leafs are the enemies already.

Already, indeed….8 years ago.

 

[morhilane]

Already, indeed….8 years ago.

Scoring in an OT game is not quite the same thing as joking that the store manager is probably a Leafs fan.

That's CC/Suzuki level of laughing at people wearing Leafs caps during a stroll in Montréal a few years back

 

[BB88]

I wasn‘t talking about max cap hit.
He is at 10% atm and the cap will go to 100m. So 8m would be a pay cut. It will be half of what McD and other superstars will get.
I agree on max term, but assume his cap hit will stay around 10%…if he stays healthy and continues to score accordingly.
8 x 10m would be a discount to stay in Montréal.
People expecting him to sign for 6 years and for less than he is making now…smh.


He is used to the cold winters. But I know enough people who hate it and prefer to live in Spain…

C’moon now 8x10 this offseason is crazy talk

Absolutely nobody would offer him that or if he goes to UFA market 7x12 to make up for the lost year

 

[Bruce Granville]

C’moon now 8x10 thid offseason is crazy talk

I don‘t think they will sign this offseason. Too early to tell if he stays healthy and if they will start contending.

 

[BB88]

I don‘t think they will sign this offseason. Too early to tell if he stays healthy and if they will start contending.

& still nobody would give him 7x12 from the market. That’s where you are basically putting his UFA market value at, 11.5-12M per season

You’d have a case if at any point Laine had been worth his current salary, he hasn’t & he just missed a full year of hockey

I’d bet 8x9 is what gets him stay in Montreal. Pre taxed he’d have made easily over 100M at that point and found stability and happines. That means more than an extra dollar