Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition
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Demidov giving some support for Laine after Patty had had some trouble receiving passes. I think Demi will get Laine going in a big way soon. He sees what Laine can do with his shot in practice. Demi gonna re-create some of that practice magic in games as well.
7M for a PP specialist is not good value.
If he can’t play 5on 5 he’s useless.
If he can’t play 5on 5 he’s useless.
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He used to, before injuring his knee. He’s a liability 5 on 5 atm.
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Can you actually put your better judgment ahead of your obvious bias. He can hardly skate. Has trouble catching passes and is atrocious defensively. He can deke standing still and fire the puck only when wide open.
He’s a liability.
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I have eyes, I watch the games. Don't need your false witness.
Laine is OK defensively, about like 13 and 20. I worry more about some others defensively.
He doesn't get scored on much 5 on 5.
He's been defensively pretty liable for years now, stats will back it up. But the narrative doesn't change.
He’s awful defensively. Can barely skate or make tight turns. Doesn’t back check. He’s our most unreliable forward 5 on 5.
He’s a PP merchant!
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I'm sure you have some stats to back that up then?
Reason based argument will be much more convincing than repeating
His minus 14 (brutal) relative to his teammates. He’s a boat anchor to any line he’s in!
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What are his numbers compared to Dach/Newhook/Heineman, the people he has played with?
I have to remind you right now, that you're not going to come on top with this argument.
Newhook-Dach line was the worst in -/+ in the league BEFORE Laine joined it.
While Laine was in with Armia and Evans, they weren't bleeding in goals but Newhook line was.
You can't argue out of that bag
Dach is awful defensively and also struggled to skate after his injury. Laine brings down his teammates. His -14 translates to -22 over 82 games.
He absolutely kills any line he’s on with exception when he’s on the PP.
So there is a key metric for you stat boy!
You clearly don’t understand the game…
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The only reason there is no point in arguing is because you just ignore reality and make nothing but excuses.
5 even strength goals, inability to win a puck battle, can't make it receive a pass, can't skate can't back check, gets demoted to 4th line. These are all everyone else's fault. Nothing falls on Laine he is a god on earth and until we get Mackinnon to centre him he is beyond reproach.
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you can't.
The stats don't back it up, and you're not going to plead me to change my mind without a strong statistical case.
I believe my own eyes, ability to understand and interpret the game, over your obviously indefensible claims.
You asked for stats. At even strength Laine has one of the lowest CorsiF% of all Habs forwards at 43%.
Two key stats (corsi and +\-) that highlight that is a total liability even strength.
Coupled with the eye test indicating a player who struggles to skate. Its just plain obvious.
He should shut it down and get his knee fixed!
But thanks for adding nothing to the debate other than ind homerism.
Your ability to understand and interpret the game is completely laughable. Like a little child thinking is papa is the strongest man in the world.
Actually open your eyes. If you can! lol
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Oh yeah, key stats, one of the lowest..
You can go ahead with the ad hominems, insults only land if one respects the critics intellect.
I don't understand your motives to hate on any player in the team at this stage , especially bearing false witness against one for no good reason. Maybe you have your reasons, maybe you think they are valid. But I'm not expecting you to be able to articulate them.
I've never found that focusing on negative brings good results, maybe you have different results
There is a difference between hating vs observing and analyzing . I am doing the latter. For this team to be competitive, deadweight like Laine needs to be addressed. In Laine’s case he needs to get healthy. He can’t do what he used to do anymore and it’s hurting the team.
I don’t turn a blind eye to a problem, just because that problem plays for the team I support. That kind of blindness makes you a homer. One who convinces himself that the truth is false.
Bury your head in the sand if that helps you process the negativity. Its all rainbows and lollipops for you my friend! LOL
Only 4 forwards in our team got a positive +/- . Slafkovsky wouldn't even make it if he wasn't on the first line.
All this talk about Laine being a liability but the vast majority of our forwards are in the negative. You get him playing with inept players like Dach and Newhook all year and he was bound to look bad as well.
Obviously Laine has his faults but the blame could certainly be spread out on a team that is -20. Who makes the playoffs with such a horrific +/- ?
As far as I'm concerned Laine won us way more games than he lost us and that's all that matters. We aren't here without adding a player who was on pace for 30 goals playing with nobody on his trio and giving us some much needed secondary scoring.
He's had a terrible 10 game stretch but the playoffs is a new season and he's finally got a good player in Demidov to create some chemistry.
All this talk about Laine being a liability but the vast majority of our forwards are in the negative. You get him playing with inept players like Dach and Newhook all year and he was bound to look bad as well.
Obviously Laine has his faults but the blame could certainly be spread out on a team that is -20. Who makes the playoffs with such a horrific +/- ?
As far as I'm concerned Laine won us way more games than he lost us and that's all that matters. We aren't here without adding a player who was on pace for 30 goals playing with nobody on his trio and giving us some much needed secondary scoring.
He's had a terrible 10 game stretch but the playoffs is a new season and he's finally got a good player in Demidov to create some chemistry.
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We all do that. People's observations of the same thing can be vastly different. Especially depending on how capable they are from separating emotions from fact.
I'm pretty confident in my ability to analyze data and identify issues, that's how I have made a living.
I have no reason to be nearly as confident in your abilities, as I have seen your reports and they are emotional outbursts and pathetic attempts to justify them when questioned
So don't refer to your eye test. Mine is better
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