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I believe Trump had seen "it" live. IRL. Must be a different guy then, even though name makes it a valid guess.
Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition
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It was golfer's junk Trump was admiring, not a hockey player's junk, my bad:
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This was an excellent video by the hockey guy, he touches on the details on when and how Laine is effective and when he is not, a look at career and some of the reasons for the ups and downs.
He makes the exact argument I have been saying for a long time, there's a clear correlation where Laine gets more ice time, he produces really well. THG says it's about confidence and I tend to agree, Laine gets on the wrong gear when he gets demoted, or when he feels he's not in a positition to help the team win.
That's why he looked like he belonged with the elite in 4 nations, but doesn't show much 5 on 5 in MTL where he is playing scrap minutes. That's why he shot out of a cannon in his rookie season (started in 1st due to injuries to vets) and then lost all point potential when moved to a smaller role in a worse line. He looks different in those scenarios, the whole demeanor.
I've likened him to the George Nelson character in O brother where art thou. When he's doing what he loves he feels he's 10 feet tall, and when put in other situations he's hanging his head and deeply depressed
He makes the exact argument I have been saying for a long time, there's a clear correlation where Laine gets more ice time, he produces really well. THG says it's about confidence and I tend to agree, Laine gets on the wrong gear when he gets demoted, or when he feels he's not in a positition to help the team win.
That's why he looked like he belonged with the elite in 4 nations, but doesn't show much 5 on 5 in MTL where he is playing scrap minutes. That's why he shot out of a cannon in his rookie season (started in 1st due to injuries to vets) and then lost all point potential when moved to a smaller role in a worse line. He looks different in those scenarios, the whole demeanor.
I've likened him to the George Nelson character in O brother where art thou. When he's doing what he loves he feels he's 10 feet tall, and when put in other situations he's hanging his head and deeply depressed
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As Laine gets older, he’s got to break out of that bipolarness. If only because he’s slower now. He’s not the player he used to be. He may not be able to earn the same role he used to.
He’s got to find a way to not hurt the team 5on5 if he’s only helping in spurts and on the pp.
He hasn't turned 27 yet and is one year older than Suzuki... if he's "not the player he used to be" it's because of injuries, not because of old age and it's probably still a bit too early to say if that knee is going to affect him for the rest of his career. It very well might, but it could also be it just needs a bit more time and a good off season focusing on getting it back to shape.
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He needs to play real minutes in an offensive role. Unless one wants to just not use his strengths but that would be really bad asset management.
His stats don't suggest he's hurting the team 5 on 5 even in this usage. I'd like him to provide more, and that would happen with bigger role. I think adding Demidov will increase the demand to play the line more and that will take care of it naturally.
There's no earning here, the lines are a balance. Slaf doesn't earn the 1st line spot but he's in it because the line works well right now and no sense in breaking that up. The line needs a left handed player for that role and he's the best available option
Laine can't earn shit playing 11 minutes in a bad line. It's not the stage he performs well in. He hasn't gotten any better stage 5 on 5 in MTL, at any point of this season.
Suggesting that he wouldn't run with it, is pure assumption based on how he has looked with Newhook et al. Of course I also assume that he'd do much more with more ice time and better linemates, but it has historical reference behind it.
Can't know until the theory is tested in MTL as well. Historically, the formula works.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Laine first with Demidov and then with a better center next year.
But he seems to be slower than he was in the past. He just might not be the same player. If so, he will have to adapt his game. Let the others create more and he be more the finisher. Also play better postiitonally to overcome a lack of speed...
After several knee injuries, Markov had to adapt his game. I think Laine is committed to playing whatever role will help the team win. I think he wants to win amd likes this team.
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Last 3-4 games his moevement has been much better to my eyes than it was say a month ago and before that. He's on par with CC and Slaf in top speed but some of the movement seems restricted still.
But I don't see that as the biggest issue, although it is hampering his game a bit. His game has never been about being the fastest moving object out there. He can still do a lot more damage 5 on 5 with more talent to play with. Doesn't need to be 100% to be over PPG, he's offensively that good. He rarely had any "100% healthy" moments in CBJ and managed to produce 5 on 5. He had more to work with there than he currently has, like Boone Jenner and Jack Roslovic etc.
That could be the case but I think it's too early to tell. In any case even if he'll never regain his skating, just having some more success 5v5 I'm sure could do wonders. That's on him but not solely on him, it's a team game and that line has never been connecting so far and he's never really had a player to make plays with this season 5v5. Even his game winner the other night was all Hutson.
I haven't watched many games, but the ones I did watch a lot of plays died on Newhook's stick, scoring chances withered down to pretty much nothing. If there was another skilled player on the other wing, I dunno maybe a young Russian or something, then Laine would have someone to play the puck with and Newhook could also focus on the things he does well.
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Seeing Laine with Demidov and a good C would be great.
Really hope it happens next year. But I'm looking forward to seeing who the C will be this year. Evans, Newhook, and Kapanen are the top candidates. Hopefully MSL tries them all out a bit to see where the chemistry is.
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Yeah can't wait. I'd also want to see Kapanen tried there, face offs would be my biggest worry with everyone but Evans. The more possession time the better for an offensive line. They're not at their best when trying to take the puck from opponent.
We'll see, I find MSL to be pretty conservative with testing. Maybe once we clinch he'll feel more open to trying new things.
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Holy craps back to looking like he’s 83 years old oof what horrible 5v5 play
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Suzuki and Caufield were -2 5v5.
Laine was 0…
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1 decent pass all game and the rest of the time he spends casually ruining every drive he is on or just giving the puck away. Not even a NHL player when he isn't shooting, just horrendous play.
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I wonder if he’s teachable: “ Instead of trying to do saucer backhand passes, can you do the 3-foot outlet pass to the open guy”. Would he respond well to those suggestions?
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Are you talking about the best scoring chance the team created all game?
He absolutely smothered an opponent in defense zone and stripped him off ghe puck in 1st.
Who tf had a better game today?
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In one period alone I saw him kill like 3 drives with his giveaways and just losing board battles. He smothers people all the time but they tend to be his own linemates.
Pretty much the entire forward core had a better game and didn't need all of our PP time to get there. He did nothing but float around.
Tough to watch and a bit of a mixed bag. He has not made any massive mistakes on his own end for a while but loses possession in the offensive zone a lot.
On the other hand, he's playing very little on 5v5 but has managed to feed Newhook a couple of times. The line can't create any sustainable pressure in the offensive zone though. It's hard to get going with limited ice time for sure. Interesting to see how it develops when Demidov joins.
They should have converted on the powerplay against Toronto. It was the first time in a long time where the opponent gave space for Laine to shoot the puck. I wonder where they slot Demidov for PP1?
On the other hand, he's playing very little on 5v5 but has managed to feed Newhook a couple of times. The line can't create any sustainable pressure in the offensive zone though. It's hard to get going with limited ice time for sure. Interesting to see how it develops when Demidov joins.
They should have converted on the powerplay against Toronto. It was the first time in a long time where the opponent gave space for Laine to shoot the puck. I wonder where they slot Demidov for PP1?
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It's just a bad mix, nothing that they do compliments each other. Newhook should be playing the same type of game that the 3rd line does. Dude is a buzzsaw but has negative scoring ability. It's well-known that Laine does need some type of playmaking in order to be successful, but that's not really going to happen with a guy who has 11 assists in 80 games.
No excuse for Laine's play, which absolutely is less than stellar, but these are just the facts. These two guys shouldn't be in the same line. There's enough history by now to know that it just doesn't work.
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I would put him on Suzuki's line just for fun to see how they would do, it would be hilarious.
His shooting skills are unmatched but Laine is not a good fit for the top 6 going forward.
His shooting skills are unmatched but Laine is not a good fit for the top 6 going forward.
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I would rather have the 9 million in caproom this summer. Considering Habs be looking for two expensive components. A second line center and a right defense man.
Our second line is dead. Killing the team. Montreal should have gotten a first at least for taken on Laine contract. I would try to move the contract this summer. Any team can have him for nil. If can't, definitely wouldn't protect him out of camp. To gain little extra caphit and extra roster spot. He has a good shot but that is it. A negative player to team.
Our second line is dead. Killing the team. Montreal should have gotten a first at least for taken on Laine contract. I would try to move the contract this summer. Any team can have him for nil. If can't, definitely wouldn't protect him out of camp. To gain little extra caphit and extra roster spot. He has a good shot but that is it. A negative player to team.
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