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Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

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The sooner you guys accept he's a flawed 60 point player that can produce more if healthy, the sooner you can be satisfied with his game. He's not going to become a superstar, he's doing exactly what he should be doing which is secondary scoring, something Dach and Newhook have done a shitty job at doing. He's more than fine as a second liner and it's not like we're loaded with offensive wingers.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Hes not hurting the team any more than other wingers on the team and hes hurting the team a lot less than Dach did. Laine is around Gally, Newhook, Andy, Armia and Heineman in 5v5 GF% and SF%. Theres literally one line that has good metrics and its the first line.

Slaf and Caufield also need Suzuki to produce, theyve been producing very little without him.

Overall, we need to acquire another top line winger to push down our 3 best wingers in their respective spots, the forward crop is a lot weaker than suggested IMO. Demidov will change that, but ideally I think all of Slaf, Laine and Caufield are more of a 2nd line kind of thing.
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I disagree with Slaf/Caufield being more 2nd line types, but the rest of your post is spot on imo.
 
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The Great Weal said:
The sooner you guys accept he's a flawed 60 point player that can produce more if healthy, the sooner you can be satisfied with his game. He's not going to become a superstar, he's doing exactly what he should be doing which is secondary scoring, something Dach and Newhook have done a shitty job at doing. He's more than fine as a second liner and it's not like we're loaded with offensive wingers.
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Exactly. Depth isnt bad to have, especially depth that is a game changer on the PP.

BehindTheTimes said:
I disagree with Slaf/Caufield being more 2nd line types, but the rest of your post is spot on imo.
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On what team would Caufield be a top liner ? Let alone Slaf.
 
Patrik Laine reached the halfway mark into his season last game.

41GP 18G 13A Total 31 Points

Full season pace of 36G 26A 62 Points.

Last season our 2nd highest scorer was Caufield with 65 Points playing all year with Suzuki.

I think Laine has been pulling off some incredible numbers. Considering all the setbacks he had to endure. Dealing with depression, playing in a new city, learning a new system. Having to deal with knee injuries. More importantly, no talent to compliment him on the 2nd line.

He could easily reach 70+ points next season by being properly surrounded and healing his knee. His secondary scoring is vital to us and we are in no position to snub such contribution. Especially if he reaches a new plateau next season something that I think should be very doable if he stays healthy.
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
Would have agreed previously but Caufield is clearly a top line winger now

His all around game has improved tremendously
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His all around game is still not good even if it is better. He turns over the puck at way too high a rate. Hes decent positionally and he can somewhat defend and playmake but lets not act like its a strength. His play is also almost entirely perimeter tied.

I think hes low end first liner, I think we can do a lot better than that to contend.
 
Deebs said:
He's never been an excellent 5v5 player in his career, he's always been average at best.

If he has a great offseason with proper training and can get back to being average at full strength, he could have a solid 30-30 year in 25-26. Given his availability issues, even that may be a stretch. Here's to hoping
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Well that is not true.
Laine has had seasons with excellent EV production.

He has had seasons where he paced for 54, 56, 57, and 62 EV points. Those are great numbers.

Suzuki is our best EV player, and he's currently ranked 25th in the NHL in EV points. It's the first time in his career that he is pacing for 50+ EV points.
 
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Mrb1p said:
His all around game is still not good even if it is better. He turns over the puck at way too high a rate. Hes decent positionally and he can somewhat defend and playmake but lets not act like its a strength. His play is also almost entirely perimeter tied.

I think hes low end first liner, I think we can do a lot better than that to contend.
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What’s a high end first liner? Top 5 in goals? He is 11th currently
 
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OneSharpMarble said:
looks winded after 20ft.
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He played a 5+ minute shift against Canada in the 4 nations. What ever it "looks like" after 20ft to you is not real.

Less emphasis on "reading body language" and "what it looks like", more emphasis on actual production and effect on winning. You know, things that matter and have value.
 
Sasha Orlov said:
God that’s funny
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I've seen all the Columbus games in the 2020/21 - 2023/24 seasons (I can't watch too much NHL right now). The first COVID season was terrible, 2021/22 good and 2022/23 excellent. There were a lot of injuries on the team, in 2022/23 we were effectively playing with an AHL defense (Werenski didn't even play 15 games), his center was mainly Roslovic, a player like Newhook, worse as a center. 2023/24 I don't count, the reasons are known.

That's why I can't agree with your opinion.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Exactly. Depth isnt bad to have, especially depth that is a game changer on the PP.


On what team would Caufield be a top liner ? Let alone Slaf.
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I can’t believe you’re doubling down on CC after this season.

You dilute many good takes you have with nonsense like this. It’s too bad really
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
I can’t believe you’re doubling down on CC after this season.

You dilute many good takes you have with nonsense like this. It’s too bad really
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If you think I have many good takes, maybe theres value in this one :o

Caufielf is a strictly offensive winger that provides no intangibles on the ice (I believe hes a good influence in the locker room though, which does also hold value.) and his offensive impact seems overstated.

I mainly hate how he doesnt manage his puck well. Its fine for depth players, not for top players. Your top liners need to be excellent players in all facets of the game. Think the Red Wings of 2000s. These guys never made a bad decision, thats what I want.

If you believe our forward crop is good enough to be a dynasty, im not sure well ever agree.
 
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Ill make the exercise myself:
He would be the X best winger on Y team:
2nd on Anaheim
2nd on Boston
3rd on Buffalo
1st on Calgary
3rd on Carolina
1st on Chicago (Unless Bedard is a W?)
3rd on Colorado
2nd on Columbus
3rd on Dallas
Tied for 2nd with Cat on the wings? Lets say 2.5?
1st on Edmonton
3rd or 4th on Florida.
2nd on LA? 3rd? 2.5
3rd on Minny.
2nd on Nashville
2nd on NJ
1st on NYI!
2nd on NYR
3rd on Ottawa
2nd on Philly? If I had bad faith Id say 3rd but ill way a year.
1st on Pittsburgh
1st on SJ
1st on Sea
I would like to say from 1 to 4 on STL, ill say 2nd.
4th on TB
3rd on Toronto, 4th ? Is Knies better?
2ns or 3rd in Arizona
1st on Vancouver
Vegas is tough, Ill say 2.
2nd on Washington?
3rd on Winnipeg? Case for 2 and 4.

Our first liner would be a first liner on 5 of the top 15 teams in the standing, he would be the best winger on the Oilers out of these, none other.

We just need better players if we want to be great, full stop. Lets stop falling in love with our players.
 
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Patrik Laine reached the halfway mark into his season last game.

41GP 18G 13A Total 31 Points

Full season pace of 36G 26A 62 Points.

Last season our 2nd highest scorer was Caufield with 65 Points playing all year with Suzuki.

I think Laine has been pulling off some incredible numbers. Considering all the setbacks he had to endure. Dealing with depression, playing in a new city, learning a new system. Having to deal with knee injuries. More importantly, no talent to compliment him on the 2nd line.

He could easily reach 70+ points next season by being properly surrounded and healing his knee. His secondary scoring is vital to us and we are in no position to snub such contribution. Especially if he reaches a new plateau next season something that I think should be very doable if he stays healthy.
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Well that is not true.
Laine has had seasons with excellent EV production.

He has had seasons where he paced for 54, 56, 57, and 62 EV points. Those are great numbers.
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Unfortunately fellas, Laine is always "on pace for" but never does it over the course of a full year, which he hasn't done since 2018-19.

Moving forward, he's a complimentary specialist which isn't terrible, but it's very realistic. Imo, he'll never top 60 points again in his career and it really sucks, because he's a very talented player.
 
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Deebs said:
Unfortunately fellas, Laine is always "on pace for" but never does it over the course of a full year, which he hasn't done since 2018-19.

Moving forward, he's a complimentary specialist which isn't terrible, but it's very realistic. Imo, he'll never top 60 points again in his career and it really sucks, because he's a very talented player.
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Thats one thing, you can 200% discredit him for his availability and durability, but when he is on the ice, he has been mostly good to great.
 
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VT said:
I've seen all the Columbus games in the 2020/21 - 2023/24 seasons (I can't watch too much NHL right now). The first COVID season was terrible, 2021/22 good and 2022/23 excellent. There were a lot of injuries on the team, in 2022/23 we were effectively playing with an AHL defense (Werenski didn't even play 15 games), his center was mainly Roslovic, a player like Newhook, worse as a center. 2023/24 I don't count, the reasons are known.

That's why I can't agree with your opinion.
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I've kept saying that if Montreal gets the Laine from 2021-2023 playing for them, it'd be huge. Nearly all of his points were scored on even strength, and he wasn't exactly playing with prime Crosby in there. The best center he ever had in Columbus was Boone Jenner, so it's not like he has been 100% dependent on playmaking to score.

That's a big, big if, of course, but it's not out of the realm of imagination that, barring another injury, he'll be able to work himself into that type of condition for the next season. It's worth a shot. Would I count on it? Probably not. Realistically he hasn't played a full season in ages. He has got a lot to prove. But "contract years" tend to work out like that. Players suddenly turn into prime Jagr for that year.
 
Mrb1p said:
Ill make the exercise myself:
He would be the X best winger on Y team:
2nd on Anaheim
2nd on Boston
3rd on Buffalo
1st on Calgary
3rd on Carolina
1st on Chicago (Unless Bedard is a W?)
3rd on Colorado
2nd on Columbus
3rd on Dallas
Tied for 2nd with Cat on the wings? Lets say 2.5?
1st on Edmonton
3rd or 4th on Florida.
2nd on LA? 3rd? 2.5
3rd on Minny.
2nd on Nashville
2nd on NJ
1st on NYI!
2nd on NYR
3rd on Ottawa
2nd on Philly? If I had bad faith Id say 3rd but ill way a year.
1st on Pittsburgh
1st on SJ
1st on Sea
I would like to say from 1 to 4 on STL, ill say 2nd.
4th on TB
3rd on Toronto, 4th ? Is Knies better?
2ns or 3rd in Arizona
1st on Vancouver
Vegas is tough, Ill say 2.
2nd on Washington?
3rd on Winnipeg? Case for 2 and 4.

Our first liner would be a first liner on 5 of the top 15 teams in the standing, he would be the best winger on the Oilers out of these, none other.

We just need better players if we want to be great, full stop. Let’s stop falling in love with our players.
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Dude you’re bonkers lol. So he’s an average first liner? Suzuki keeps getting better and better. Caufield was picked in 2 drafts after him. Why can’t he keep getting better? How old are the wingers ahead of him?

We also have Demidov who is poised to be a top 5-10 winger in the league. Plus you think Suzuki’s elite. So what’s the problem here? lol
 
dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
Dude you’re bonkers lol. So he’s an average first liner? Suzuki keeps getting better and better. Caufield was picked in 2 drafts after him. Why can’t he keep getting better? How old are the wingers ahead of him?

We also have Demidov who is poised to be a top 5-10 winger in the league. Plus you think Suzuki’s elite. So what’s the problem here? lol
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Yes, hes at best a mid range top line winger, but even that is being generous.

The problem is that wed have a juggernaut with Caufield, Slaf and Laine sliding down a spot, and that upgrade is pretty easy to make since theres a lot of players that would slide ahead of those (and Demidov).
 
Mrb1p said:
Yes, hes at best a mid range top line winger, but even that is being generous.

The problem is that wed have a juggernaut with Caufield, Slaf and Laine sliding down a spot, and that upgrade is pretty easy to make since theres a lot of players that would slide ahead of those (and Demidov).
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I’ll table all this…whatever this is and just ask again how much older are the wingers you put ahead of Caufield?
 
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