Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[ReHabs]

I knew what Patrik Laine was before the Habs acquired him and so far, he's EXACTLY what I thought he was going to be.

He's much more broken than expected -- that knee injury + two years of less-than-stellar fitness (surgeries, injuries, and mental health rehab inclusive).

I think he can heal up and look and perform better.

 

[LaineBOOM]

Alex Newhook is 24 years old, Kirby Dach is 24 years old, and Patrik Laine is 26 years old.

Substantially older.

Thats almost 10 % older, which I agree is not a lot.

BUT if you count them with their NHL-born-age™ the age difference is HUGE. Meaning that you turn 1 year old when you turn 19 etc.

So Laine is 8 years old. Dach and Newhook are both only 6 years old. The expectations for 8-year-olds are and should be exponentially higher than for 6-year-olds.

 

[VT]

Thats almost 10 % older, which I agree is not a lot.

BUT if you count them with their NHL-born-age™ the age difference is HUGE. Meaning that you turn 1 year old when you turn 19 etc.

So Laine is 8 years old. Dach and Newhook are both only 6 years old. The expectations for 8-year-olds are and should be exponentially higher than for 6-year-olds.

This defies my logic. 6 year olds are less physically and mentally (I don't mean IQ) than 8 year olds, because by age 10 the differences are very big at one year. 24 year old player is as physically mature as 26 year old player, similarly mentally, the differences are only in experience, and even these differences are not very big.

 

[Prettyisland]

Full context.

 

[Marioesque]

Full context.
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Straight up answer, nothing controversial. People just like to make a big fuss about anything he says.

It would be odd to expect him to influence the score much with 10 minutes of icetime. Goes for any player. Yeah he hasn't been very good but who has lately?

 

[Prettyisland]

Straight up answer, nothing controversial. People just like to make a big fuss about anything he says.

It would be odd to expect him to influence the score much with 10 minutes of icetime. Goes for any player. Yeah he hasn't been very good but who has lately?

You should have seen the crazy sound off 2 of my friends has when they saw the cut clip. I showed them this snip and no response. People now a days are addicted to outrage

 

[Marioesque]

You should have seen the crazy sound off 2 of my friends has when they saw the cut clip. I showed them this snip and no response. People now a days are addicted to outrage

Yup, they seek it. I don't understand it myself but seems to be a strong trend.

 

[LaineBOOM]

This defies my logic. 6 year olds are less physically and mentally (I don't mean IQ) than 8 year olds, because by age 10 the differences are very big at one year. 24 year old player is as physically mature as 26 year old player, similarly mentally, the differences are only in experience, and even these differences are not very big.

It was a tad flawed metaphore, but the thing that some are saying is:
- Laine is much more experienced in a top 6 and/or game breaker role than Newhook or Dach, and is also expected to deliver more than them.
- Laine is paid much more money than Newhook or Dach, and hence again expected to contribute more than them.

These 2 factors together mean that some are not prepared to give Laine as much time to recover and/or to deliver compared to Dach and Newhook.

 

[Prettyisland]

Yup, they seek it. I don't understand it myself but seems to be a strong trend.

In all areas of life too. Seems like a tough existence

 

[SlafySZN]

You should have seen the crazy sound off 2 of my friends has when they saw the cut clip. I showed them this snip and no response. People now a days are addicted to outrage

It’s not a cut clip, though. A journalist asked him a question he then responded with his ‘’first’’ answer then 4-5 minutes after got another similar question and responded with the ‘’2nd’’ answer.

It’s not a case of him saying all of it in one response and the journalist cut the clip.

Not that his response is the end of the world, anyway.

 

[Marioesque]

I'm really interested to see how he looks like with Aho and Hintz, smart players with the ability to play quick. Laine has that ability too, and this is where it should show again, with guys whose strengths mitigate his shortcomings and support his strengths.

These 2 factors together mean that some are not prepared to give Laine as much time to recover and/or to deliver compared to Dach and Newhook.

It's a strange expectation that a better skilled hockey player would also recover faster from injuries.

 

[417]

He's much more broken than expected -- that knee injury + two years of less-than-stellar fitness (surgeries, injuries, and mental health rehab inclusive).

I think he can heal up and look and perform better.

Well you explained it beautifully why he's exactly what I expected.

 

[1909]

Well you explained it beautifully why he's exactly what I expected.

Play him with Evans and Armia for a while.

 

[Marioesque]

In all areas of life too. Seems like a tough existence

Press feeds it for clicks

Just now on a Finnish tabloid there's a lede "Mystery of where Patrik Laine is"

And it's about if he stays in his MTL home or in the hotel with the team. Which is not known.
Which nobody should care about.

 

[VT]

It was a tad flawed metaphore, but the thing that some are saying is:
- Laine is much more experienced in a top 6 and/or game breaker role than Newhook or Dach, and is also expected to deliver more than them.
- Laine is paid much more money than Newhook or Dach, and hence again expected to contribute more than them.

These 2 factors together mean that some are not prepared to give Laine as much time to recover and/or to deliver compared to Dach and Newhook.

Laine did play with the Jets, but he wasn't a major player, those were Scheifelle and Wheeler. If he had a different role, you'd be right.
Money doesn't affect injuries.

I'm not criticizing MSL's decision, I wrote the reasons, but your comparisons aren't very happy.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

One needs a medical certification to talk about hockey players with knee injuries now? You brought up the specific injuries yourself. ACL, MCL, etc. Where's your degree?

You're the one comparing the injuries, you're the one that needs to qualify your nonsense. Don't cry when people call out your ignorance. I'm saying they aren't comparable because they're completely different injuries and one involved surgery. What is your qualifier for saying they're similar?

What is this argument -- that professional athletes need a specific number of games played before they give a shit? Dach had 212 NHL games over five pro seasons, if that's not enough for him to know to give a shit on the ice this season that's his own problem. You excused it as recovering from injury. Be as charitable about Laine, it's all I'm saying.

Once again if Dach plays poorly it's him being a lazy pos but Laine is gods gift to the NHL so everything is excused, he's not lazy it just a magical injury that only hurts him when he has to play defense!

Laine coasts from the blue line back and it's A-OK by you. Dead weight on his line and gets moved down and sat, then the line takes off and it wasn't Laines fault! He only missed a couple months, what's the reason he coasts half the time?

Laine is almost 3 years older than both those players, not 2 buttercup, use their actual ages. Laine turns 27 in like 2 months. 3 Seasons in the NHL is a ocean of experience at that age, you know that but you try and play it off pathetically.

Laine's laziness and give-a-shit factor is well document and taken for granted, this is partly why he was a cap dump and we didn't need to trade a 13OA to be blessed with his services.


See below; I clearly called Laine performances as awful. Read.


What specific do you think I've missed? You refer to this as a "magical injury". Seems like you're bent out of shape against Laine and just thrashing. He doesn't look like he works hard enough like Mathieu Darche or Steve Begin, gotta whip him.

You're so mad about people calling out Laine, crying and whining meanwhile you take every opportunity to shit all over a actual recovering player Dach.

Player Discussion Post in thread 'Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2'

Dec 16, 2024

Caufield finished last season with a career high 65pts. Dach is on pace for 25 points. Comparing Caufield and Dach is simply disingenuous, their difference in performance and effort is easily seen and unfair to Caufield who never looked as checked out and behind the play as Dach looks.

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Post-Game Talk: Post in thread 'Habs shut out the Stanley Cup finalists'

Nov 19, 2024

Dach...this is NOT the Dach of last season. WTH is going on with him? We are closing in on quarter of the season and he's still the Chicago Dach. I wonder if he going to wake up when Laine comes back. Laine is going to be a pretty statue in a line of pretty statues if Dach can't be his playmaker. Laine was a ppg with a good center...but not a Chicago Dach.

Dach of last season...? He played 1.3 games out of 82. There was no Dach last season.

Chicago Dach was sold without tears with CHI fans wondering if he would ever 'put it together'. Fast forward two seasons and here we are...

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Took me about 30 seconds to find these gems of you shitting on Dach before what like 20 games into his first season back? Take your own advice before crying.

 

[ReHabs]

Player Discussion Post in thread 'Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2'

Dec 16, 2024

Caufield finished last season with a career high 65pts. Dach is on pace for 25 points. Comparing Caufield and Dach is simply disingenuous, their difference in performance and effort is easily seen and unfair to Caufield who never looked as checked out and behind the play as Dach looks.

• ReHabs

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Post-Game Talk: Post in thread 'Habs shut out the Stanley Cup finalists'

Nov 19, 2024

Dach...this is NOT the Dach of last season. WTH is going on with him? We are closing in on quarter of the season and he's still the Chicago Dach. I wonder if he going to wake up when Laine comes back. Laine is going to be a pretty statue in a line of pretty statues if Dach can't be his playmaker. Laine was a ppg with a good center...but not a Chicago Dach.

Dach of last season...? He played 1.3 games out of 82. There was no Dach last season.

Chicago Dach was sold without tears with CHI fans wondering if he would ever 'put it together'. Fast forward two seasons and here we are...

• ReHabs

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Took me about 30 seconds to find these gems of you shitting on Dach before what like 20 games into his first season back? Take your own advice before crying.

Did you even read these comments of mine before you posted them? I don’t think you did. Spend longer than 30 seconds, pay attention to the words.

These comments you’ve quoted are nothing at all like yours in style or substance. Yours typically have neither.

Just move on.

Well you explained it beautifully why he's exactly what I expected.

It definitely adds up to why he was sold as a cap dump. Waddell knew and so did other GMs, hence the tepid market.

Oh well, we wouldn’t have been “in the mix” for that one month without Laine anyway.