Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[ArtPeur]

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Every BPM SPANRE clip i come around is like listening to a hobo at berri Uquam talk about hockey , like regardless of the person who's talking its always awful , some mononcle at the family gathering stuff its pretty impressive that people listen to this

I know a lot of people who do. I don't think they're totally wrong though

 

[The Great Weal]

He’s playing with Evans and Armia. They’re our best defensive forwards and forecheckers. Laine has NOT contributed to that at all.

So you acknowledge that Laine's defensive stats are better because he's playing with Evans and Armia, but don't acknowledge that his offensive game isn't there because he's playing with Evans and Armia who are more opportunistic shorthanded players than offensive players.

That second line is still an absolute trainwreck. They are scoring more goals sure, but they are still allowing more. That's a liability. Not entirely surprising when it's a line filled with flawed outcasts.

 

[Habs]

All these comments like his knee isn't still bothering him. He also missed an entire year. I would expect next season he would look a lot different.

Great, 2 more years of excuses for him and Reinbacher

 

[WeThreeKings]

So you acknowledge that Laine's defensive stats are better because he's playing with Evans and Armia, but don't acknowledge that his offensive game isn't there because he's playing with Evans and Armia who are more opportunistic shorthanded players than offensive players.

That second line is still an absolute trainwreck. They are scoring more goals sure, but they are still allowing more. That's a liability. Not entirely surprising when it's a line filled with flawed outcasts.

The whole conversation started regarding a notion that is being peddled that Laine was being held back by Dach and Newhook. The counter point was actually that Laine was hurting Dach and Newhook.

Since they've been split, Laine has produced no offense and Dach + Newhook have 3 pts in 2 games. So it is quickly dispelling the notion that Laine was being held back and confirming that, in the offensive zone, the lack of success was happening because Laine was having bad puck touches and turnovers.

 

[Habssince89]

I'm optimistic about Laine only because we aren't expecting him to be our best player. He's going to get some good insulation next year when Demidov and other enter the fold. I think he'll be used efficiently.

 

[schwang26]

So you acknowledge that Laine's defensive stats are better because he's playing with Evans and Armia, but don't acknowledge that his offensive game isn't there because he's playing with Evans and Armia who are more opportunistic shorthanded players than offensive players.

That second line is still an absolute trainwreck. They are scoring more goals sure, but they are still allowing more. That's a liability. Not entirely surprising when it's a line filled with flawed outcasts.

His offensive game hasn’t been there in a while. It’s got nothing to do with linemates. He was slow and looked disinterested before playing with them.

 

[26Mats]

I'm optimistic about Laine only because we aren't expecting him to be our best player. He's going to get some good insulation next year when Demidov and other enter the fold. I think he'll be used efficiently.

Interesting that you said Demidov plus others.

It seems now we'll have Demidov and Beck. Will be interesting to see if HuGo are able to go out and get a 2c ( and an upgrade on Matheson for the top pair at RD).

Have anyone in mind?

 

[Vapaatunnus]

4Nations might do good for him, usually he lights up in national team.

 

[Habssince89]

Interesting that you said Demidov plus others.

It seems now we'll have Demidov and Beck. Will be interesting to see if HuGo are able to go out and get a 2c ( and an upgrade on Matheson for the top pair at RD).

Have anyone in mind?

I just meant were going to have young forwards drawing into the fold next season (who wins those spots TBD) and so what I'm saying is Laine isn't being tasked with putting the team on his back and his PP specialist role will be a better net positive

 

[Habs]

I'm optimistic about Laine only because we aren't expecting him to be our best player. He's going to get some good insulation next year when Demidov and other enter the fold. I think he'll be used efficiently.

its a lot of money for a guy that just takes a dump at the top of the circle and waves his stick in the air scoring a few goals. Did anyone tell him he's expected to help away from the play and when we aren't on the PP?

Interesting that you said Demidov plus others.

It seems now we'll have Demidov and Beck. Will be interesting to see if HuGo are able to go out and get a 2c ( and an upgrade on Matheson for the top pair at RD).

Have anyone in mind?

Luke Tuch is available, wonder what the price would be

 

[Marioesque]

4Nations might do good for him, usually he lights up in national team.

He'll get meaningful minutes with other smart players. The quality of linemates is gonna be much higher and should be able to help him do his thing.

Probably gets injured though

 

[LaineBOOM]

He'll get meaningful minutes with other smart players. The quality of linemates is gonna be much higher and should be able to help him do his thing.

Probably gets injured though

Yup! Same will happen next season with Habs when he plays with Demi and hopefully an actual 2C.

Laine is a guy who needs others to create enough space for him. Most often its done by a skilled player/players who are a big enough scoring threat for opponents to cover them actively, even to have an additional player there to stop the player. After that the skilled player can dish Patty the puck to an optimal scoring spot while Patty is free from opponents' sticks.

Dach, Newhook, even Armia and Evans, who he played and plays with, are not skilled enough for it to happen. It used to be enough for patty to have these type of players in his line to get decent production. Its no longer the case, at least not in his current form.

Next season we will see what Patty really can do nowadays. 4 nations will offer some glimpses of it, but we gotta remember that he wont miraculously get in shape for it. But he will do decently that I am sure of.

 

[NotProkofievian]

So


Is the mental health stuff paying off like we thought it would?

 

[Rapala]

4Nations might do good for him, usually he lights up in national team.

How many forwards do they have? I can't imagine Finland are keen on giving this version of Patrik Laine much ice time. Lots of noise and it will get louder if Marty ever decides to take him off PP1.

 

[Deebs]

4Nations might do good for him, usually he lights up in national team.

Or he just gets more tired and becomes even less effective when he comes back to us. A couple weeks of rest would probably have done him some good but I get it.

 

[ReHabs]

So


Is the mental health stuff paying off like we thought it would?

I think for Laine it’s physical not mental. Maybe his mental health will ensure he doesn’t spiral down. We’ll see.

Or he just gets more tired and becomes even less effective when he comes back to us. A couple weeks of rest would probably have done him some good but I get it.

I see that but it could also be that he simply needs the reps and ice time. He’s been out and out of focus for a long time.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I think for Laine it’s physical not mental. Maybe his mental health will ensure he doesn’t spiral down. We’ll see.

We'll see. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[vayrynen]

Lots of noise and it will get louder if Marty ever decides to take him off PP1.

Since Laine's return after absense a month back, the PP percentage is 17.1%. Out of the 6 PP goals scored PP2 has scored two. The first unit is definitely struggling.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So you acknowledge that Laine's defensive stats are better because he's playing with Evans and Armia, but don't acknowledge that his offensive game isn't there because he's playing with Evans and Armia who are more opportunistic shorthanded players than offensive players.

That second line is still an absolute trainwreck. They are scoring more goals sure, but they are still allowing more. That's a liability. Not entirely surprising when it's a line filled with flawed outcasts.

The second line isn’t the train wreck that it was. They’ve been our best line in recent games.

 

[LaineBOOM]

How many forwards do they have? I can't imagine Finland are keen on giving this version of Patrik Laine much ice time. Lots of noise and it will get louder if Marty ever decides to take him off PP1.

Dont you even dare mentioning PP2.. Patty has never been put on PP2 and the day that happens.. let me just say that it aint gonna be a happy day.

 

[Skip Bayless]

My expectations for Laine were set in accordance to my diagnostic of his leg injury and this is why I'm not as upset and revolted as some of you are right now.

I expected a PP trigger man and major suckage 5 on 5, and this is exactly what we got.

Now if they could only figure out a way to move the box so that the guy who is cheating on him during the PP is forced to get off his dick, that would be dandy.

This board has always been guilty of ignoring bad context and setting expectations high for no reason and then getting angry when those expectations aren't met. But I can't save y'all.

 

[LaineBOOM]

Now if they could only figure out a way to move the box so that the guy who is cheating on him during the PP is forced to get off his dick, that would be dandy.

I suggested this in the PP-thread:

Caufield (left half wall)
Hutson (right half wall)
Laine (top of the diamond)

Hutson will do his thing but on the right half wall instead of top of diamond/quarterback. He gets the option to pass for one timer to Laine and to Caufield. Laine can pass for one timea to Caufield. Laine and Caufield can switch places to see if a guy starts cheating on Laine. Laine gets guaranteed one timer possibilities at the top of the diamond.

And like I said, the risk is that Laine loses possession (easier than Hutson at least). Worth the try imo at least.

Great examples of this style working on the second half of this short vid:

 

[Skip Bayless]

I suggested this in the PP-thread:

Caufield (left half wall)
Hutson (right half wall)
Laine (top of the diamond)

Hutson will do his thing but on the right half wall instead of top of diamond/quarterback. He gets the option to pass for one timer to Laine and to Caufield. Laine can pass for one timea to Caufield. Laine and Caufield can switch places to see if a guy starts cheating on Laine. Laine gets guaranteed one timer possibilities at the top of the diamond.

And like I said, the risk is that Laine loses possession (easier than Hutson at least). Worth the try imo at least.

Great examples of this style working on the second half of this short vid:

I think you're onto something. If Laine can move high an take a guy with him, that can easily create a numerical advantage down low and allow a cross crease pass. The problem is that our guys seem to lose every ounce of their skill in those situations.

 

[Rapala]

I think you're onto something. If Laine can move high an take a guy with him, that can easily create a numerical advantage down low and allow a cross crease pass. The problem is that our guys seem to lose every ounce of their skill in those situations.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

If his play doesn't improve, I'd look at getting rid of him this summer. Too much baggage and still bitter about his interview before the CBJ game