Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[Team_Spirit]

He said himself he was no longer training the stamina won't come back after 2 months.

Just like rookies won't have grown men core strength after 1 summer these things are built over time.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I just think Sitting Laine over many players that played complete dogshit in the last year is completely crazy.

Dvorak is god abysmal
Anderson sucked for 3 years straight
Gallagher is washed
Dach does f*** all 90% of the time
Newhook just skate arounds like he's skating on an outside rink
Matheson with his 40 turnovers.

But Laine got benched already. He was atrocious last night , but when you are behind 1 goal late in the third , you dont send f***ing Gallagher Dvorak and Newhook over him
Giving up on him is way to early.

Outside Caufield-Suzuki everyone else cant do shit offensively
Newhook 52gp 9 goals 5 assists
Dach 52 gp 10 goals 9 assists
Laine 24gp 12g 6 assists

I mean let's show the obvious here , Dach and Newhook dont belong in a top 6 to begin with. Laine needs a dynamic center and another winger to feed him plays.
I think Demidov with him will help next season but Dach needs to gtfo from playing with Laine. We need a new center who can feed him and who has speed. The Dach experience is enough. It's been 52 games , if hes still not ready then its pure cope.
His stretch was most likely a fluke like Max Domi season and RHP ...

 

[sampollock]

I just think Sitting Laine over many players that played complete dogshit in the last year is completely crazy.

Dvorak is god abysmal
Anderson sucked for 3 years straight
Gallagher is washed
Dach does f*** all 90% of the time
Newhook just skate arounds like he's skating on an outside rink
Matheson with his 40 turnovers.

But Laine got benched already. He was atrocious last night , but when you are behind 1 goal late in the third , you dont send f***ing Gallagher Dvorak and Newhook over him
Giving up on him is way to early.

Outside Caufield-Suzuki everyone else cant do shit offensively
Newhook 52gp 9 goals 5 assists
Dach 52 gp 10 goals 9 assists
Laine 24gp 12g 6 assists

I mean let's show the obvious here , Dach and Newhook dont belong in a top 6 to begin with. Laine needs a dynamic center and another winger to feed him plays.
I think Demidov with him will help next season but Dach needs to gtfo from playing with Laine. We need a new center who can feed him and who has speed. The Dach experience is enough. It's been 52 games , if hes still not ready then its pure cope.
His stretch was most likely a fluke like Max Domi season and RHP ...

dvorak should sit.
but never seems to happen and newhook too

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I just think Sitting Laine over many players that played complete dogshit in the last year is completely crazy.

Dvorak is god abysmal
Anderson sucked for 3 years straight
Gallagher is washed
Dach does f*** all 90% of the time
Newhook just skate arounds like he's skating on an outside rink
Matheson with his 40 turnovers.

But Laine got benched already. He was atrocious last night , but when you are behind 1 goal late in the third , you dont send f***ing Gallagher Dvorak and Newhook over him
Giving up on him is way to early.

Outside Caufield-Suzuki everyone else cant do shit offensively
Newhook 52gp 9 goals 5 assists
Dach 52 gp 10 goals 9 assists
Laine 24gp 12g 6 assists

I mean let's show the obvious here , Dach and Newhook dont belong in a top 6 to begin with. Laine needs a dynamic center and another winger to feed him plays.
I think Demidov with him will help next season but Dach needs to gtfo from playing with Laine. We need a new center who can feed him and who has speed. The Dach experience is enough. It's been 52 games , if hes still not ready then its pure cope.
His stretch was most likely a fluke like Max Domi season and RHP ...

You're dead wrong on Dach. He's been driving the net really well. I'm not having it that he's a bad player, that's nonsense.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You're dead wrong on Dach. He's been driving the net really well. I'm not having it that he's a bad player, that's nonsense.

That line has pretty much nothing going for it. I got not breaking it up when the bottom 6 was performing well, but it's not performing well at all now.

So it's time to mix some things up. Not really many solutions available though. I think maybe Laine with Dvorak and Anderson. Newhook with Evans and Armia. Dach will get Beck and Gallagher.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

dvorak should sit.
but never seems to happen and newhook too

Why bother?

We don't have somebody to put in there anyway. Dvorak is as good as gone. I mean, I guess they could bring up younger guys but they probably want them getting more ice in the AHL.

As for Newhook we don't have a replacement there either.

Next year, Dvorak's gone. Newhook may be gone as well but he will certainly be gone from the top six. Demidov comes in and takes that spot. The real question then becomes, what happens with Laine? My hope is that he can put things together because he's been really bad this year apart from his PP one timers. He deserves patience as he's coming off an injury but he doesn't do a whole lot out there right now.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That line has pretty much nothing going for it. I got not breaking it up when the bottom 6 was performing well, but it's not performing well at all now.

So it's time to mix some things up. Not really many solutions available though. I think maybe Laine with Dvorak and Anderson. Newhook with Evans and Armia. Dach will get Beck and Gallagher.

Pretty much what I said in my next post... we could bring up some guys from the AHL.

Two guys who I'd love to see as alternatives on the 2nd would be Heineman and Roy and both are hurt. Swapping Newhook or Laine for Gallagher doesn't really do a whole lot. We're just shuffling deck chairs.

The only guy doing anything on that 2nd line right now is Kirby Dach.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Pretty much what I said in my next post... we could bring up some guys from the AHL.

Two guys who I'd love to see as alternatives on the 2nd would be Heineman and Roy and both are hurt. Swapping Newhook or Laine for Gallagher doesn't really do a whole lot. We're just shuffling deck chairs.

The only guy doing anything on that 2nd line right now is Kirby Dach.

The lack of viable depth is a problem right now. It was exposed as soon as Heineman went down. Not sure why they won't give Davidson a call up. He was the closest to Heineman we had.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The lack of viable depth is a problem right now. It was exposed as soon as Heineman went down. Not sure why they won't give Davidson a call up. He was the closest to Heineman we had.

What I like about Heineman is that he has a motor. We're really missing that kind of player right now. The first line has it. Dach has it. Newhook occassionally has it...

That's the thing about Roy, tons of skill but he's not that kind of player. Laine doesn't provide it either. We need more of that and Heineman was perfect. One of the reasons we were winning was that we had a few lines that could score. If the first line was off, you had Dach who could put it in the net. And then there was Evans and Heineman. That makes a big difference.

Also interesting is how this will affect contract negotiations with Evans. Since Heineman went down, Evans' scoring went away. Amazing how big a difference our rookie 4th liner made for us.

 

[VT]

Finally MSL has been enlightened and Patrik (btw on one left side) is playing with players who typologically suit him see the CBJ and vice versa Dach and Newhook with a fast player who prefers vertical hockey wins battles and has excellent forechecking.

 

[26Mats]

Finally MSL has been enlightened and Patrik (btw on one left side) is playing with players who typologically suit him see the CBJ and vice versa Dach and Newhook with a fast player who prefers vertical hockey wins battles and has excellent forechecking.

I think Laine could do well with Dach, but not Newhook.

But I'm curious to see Laine in his new role. Though I think Newhook could do well with Armia and Evans.

 

[BLONG7]

dvorak should sit.
but never seems to happen and newhook too

We have sooooo many guys, who can sit.
MSL is playing with fire. Now if PL gets mad, and motivated, we are good, but MSL and Monty lost us another game..........it has happened several times this year, where they have been a deadly duo for the wrong reasons.
Laine should have been out there, late in the game, when we needed a goal. Has he played well recently, almost no one has, so we can't dress just 6 or 7 guys who have played well, we need 20.
Marty is not consistent with his decisions....

 

[VT]

I think Lainw could do well with Dach, but not Newhook.

But I'm curious to see Laine in his new role. Though I think Newhook could do well with Armia and Evans.

Nyquist - Jenner - Laine... it was his best line in the CBJ.

and now compare:

Laine - Evans - Armia

I think it is an ideal line. Dach and Newhook are fast players who prefer vertical hockey. Also they have tragical FO, so they need a fast player player with excellent for checking. Laine prefers horizontal hockey and Armia is an intelligent player.

 

[26Mats]

Nyquist - Jenner - Laine... it was his best line in the CBJ.

and now compare:

Laine - Evans - Armia

I think it is an ideal line. Dach and Newhook are fast players who prefer vertical hockey. Also they have tragical FO, so they need a fast player player with excellent for checking. Laine prefers horizontal hockey and Armia is an intelligent player.

Newhook is a turnover machine is the problem. Laine makes a lot of nice plays with the puck to start a passing play and when it goes to Newhook it goes to the other team. Also, Newhook isn't good at protecting the puck on the wall. Newhook is good at quick strike in transition.

We'll see how Armia and Laine gel. Evans also tends to be good with fast players.

At this point, I most want to see Laine with Suzuki, Caufield, and Demidov.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Finally MSL has been enlightened and Patrik (btw on one left side) is playing with players who typologically suit him see the CBJ and vice versa Dach and Newhook with a fast player who prefers vertical hockey wins battles and has excellent forechecking.

Reinbacher on the 2nd line?

What?

 

[VT]

Newhook is a turnover machine is the problem. Laine makes a lot of nice plays with the puck to start a passing play and when it goes to Newhook it goes to the other team. Also, Newhook isn't good at protecting the puck on the wall. Newhook is good at quick strike in transition.

We'll see how Armia and Laine gel. Evans also tends to be good with fast players.

At this point, I most want to see Laine with Suzuki, Caufield, and Demidov.

There are RH players like Laine. And there's a difference having three RH in the line where the sniper is only one while playing on his strong side, and RH Armia prefers to pass, his right-handedness helps him on the boards/passes, rather than in the first line where he can't use a one-timer, besides there's also a sniper on the left side in Caufield.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Reinbacher on the 2nd line?

What?

Anderson missing practice.

 

[VT]

Reinbacher on the 2nd line?

What?

Beck and Mailloux are on the AHL stars.

 

[26Mats]

There are RH players like Laine. And there's a difference having three RH in the line where the sniper is only one while playing on his strong side, and RH Armia prefers to pass, his right-handedness helps him on the boards/passes, rather than in the first line where he can't use a one-timer, besides there's also a sniper on the left side in Caufield.

Caufield can pass the puck and make plays too, just like Laine. I wouldn't be against trying Laine with Caufield. But I'm looking forward to Demidov coming next year.

 

[Natey]

Yeah, he's been playing like shit. It's a lot of hockey for someone who hasn't played much.

I just always find it funny. You're going to bench one of your star players for bad decision making and being invisible, but MSL can make all the struggle decisions he wants and he'll never get punishment.

Molson should bench him for a game. It's not like anything would current since Marty is not great at adapting in-game.

 

[Natey]

I just think Sitting Laine over many players that played complete dogshit in the last year is completely crazy.

Dvorak is god abysmal
Anderson sucked for 3 years straight
Gallagher is washed
Dach does f*** all 90% of the time
Newhook just skate arounds like he's skating on an outside rink
Matheson with his 40 turnovers.

But Laine got benched already. He was atrocious last night , but when you are behind 1 goal late in the third , you dont send f***ing Gallagher Dvorak and Newhook over him
Giving up on him is way to early.

Outside Caufield-Suzuki everyone else cant do shit offensively
Newhook 52gp 9 goals 5 assists
Dach 52 gp 10 goals 9 assists
Laine 24gp 12g 6 assists

I mean let's show the obvious here , Dach and Newhook dont belong in a top 6 to begin with. Laine needs a dynamic center and another winger to feed him plays.
I think Demidov with him will help next season but Dach needs to gtfo from playing with Laine. We need a new center who can feed him and who has speed. The Dach experience is enough. It's been 52 games , if hes still not ready then its pure cope.
His stretch was most likely a fluke like Max Domi season and RHP ...

I mean I agree, Laine should have been out there

But let's not pretend you're proving anything with those names. Most of them have as good of production rates at even strength as Laine so far this year.

 

[japhi27returns]

Laine has 2 EV goals in 24 games, 7 EV points total and has been a ghost for the past 6 games. How is that MSL’s fault for going to other players? He has shown no ability to produce at EV strength this year, full stop. I wouldn’t play him either - what makes anyone think a guy who took off the last 5 nights is the solution late in a game?

Now could a better C help his game? Of course but he is as much a drain on his teammates, as they are on him.

 

[elmaco]

Any chance he's just gassed?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Feel free to target Laine for what he is as much as you want but an insightful commentator would acknowledge this Laine is not game fit and he's hit the predictable wall after the enthusiasm of his return has died down. He's not in peak condition and he's carrying a fresh injury that would have otherwise needed surgical repair.

The Habs are 'in the mix' and Laine was acquired in exchange for negative value. As far as Laine-and-this-season is concerned, everything is going better than expected. The upcoming contract evaluation will take all of this into account. It's noteworthy how a busted Laine is outproducing a fully fit Slafkovsky. Different class of player.

Laine says that he is healthy and there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that he needed surgery and is playing through it. If he has surgery in the off season then you will have a case but you can't just arbitrarily post this assumption as fact.

Slaf might very well end up being better than Laine ever will be and definitely will be a better 200 foot player than Laine ever was.

I wish all the best for Laine and hopefully he can find some joy for the game and push himself to actually reach his potential. Slaf has been a much better playmaker and defensive player than Laine this year and could very well go on another tear. I don't see the point in attacking Slaf in a Laine conversation as there is no need to pit teammates against each other and Slaf is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[ReHabs]

Laine says that he is healthy and there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that he needed surgery and is playing through it. If he has surgery in the off season then you will have a case but you can't just arbitrarily post this assumption as fact.

You’ve never heard of a player and his physicians electing to take a conservative treatment to an injury? Really?

This is precisely what they did for Laine’s knee injury. Not an assumption, a fact.

Surgeries are not all or nothing, sometimes the same injury can be treated with or without surgery.

Slaf might very well end up being better than Laine ever will be and definitely will be a better 200 foot player than Laine ever was.

I wish all the best for Laine and hopefully he can find some joy for the game and push himself to actually reach his potential. Slaf has been a much better playmaker and defensive player than Laine this year and could very well go on another tear. I don't see the point in attacking Slaf in a Laine conversation as there is no need to pit teammates against each other and Slaf is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.

Comparing players on a discussion board is not actually an attempt to “pit teammates against each other”. I hope you can distinguish between a discussion and real life — besides, in real life I have no access to the Habs and would not intentionally pit any player against another.

We are simply discussing players and our favourite hockey team. There is no attacking or pitting one against the other happening here. Hope this helps.