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Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

Habs Halifax said:
It really depends on what he is after. He has gone through a wild ride so far in his career and is looking for stability. Playing on a young team with a coach like MSL is hard to pass IMO... especially if he goes to UFA and wonders about how he fits on another team and their coach. I'm sure he is enjoying is time in Montreal so far. Hughes probably is conservative and talks contract extension this summer but might decide to delay it for the following season and extend him before or around the 2026 TDL. More sample size to evaluate

I honestly don't think money will be the sole factor with Laine on his next deal. 8x $8M vs 8x $10M when he has earned $50M. Basically, the difference between $114M and $130M after a 8 year term. He's set for life regardless of what he gets on his next deal.



Interesting stuff to ponder about. I do wonder if we become a 3 line team in the future with two very good PP's. It's possible but will it fit the cap?
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There is no rush to extend the contract. It will work out just fine during the next season.

It is true that there is very little difference whether he earned 110M or 130M.

The main reason I talked about these moneys is that some people are throwing around completely absurd ideas about the contract.

It must be remembered that Suzuki's or Caufield's RFA contracts cannot be considered a ceiling or guideline for Laine's future contract. The situation is completely different.
 
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HHel said:
There is no rush to extend the contract. It will work out just fine during the next season.

It is true that there is very little difference whether he earned 110M or 130M.

The main reason I talked about these moneys is that some people are throwing around completely absurd ideas about the contract.

It must be remembered that Suzuki's or Caufield's RFA contracts cannot be considered a ceiling or guideline for Laine's future contract. The situation is completely different.
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Suzuki and Caufield contract will be tested and yes, they are RFA/UFA years type contract. We will se what Laine is after... If his agent gets to his head and demands 8x $10M and he has the production with the Habs to support it, that means we also have a gem to trade.

I feel he would stay for $8M AAV but maybe that 5 year term does not work. He says, I will stay but 8x $8M. Leaves a little on the table to stay in a stable spot with the young growing Habs and MSL as his coach. Probably demands the NMC if he is leaving some on the table as well.
 
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sampollock said:
Habs have lacked a pure goal scorer from ever.
PL gives them that.
Not old, not a smurf
All know my feelings on this, yes I agree. KH can't give him 8/9 mill know way.
But I feel he is a 7 mill man and gives us 40 goals a year.
Have to pay to get pure scoring .
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8x $8M with lots of signing bonus structure and a NMC. My gut says this is something he will be open to but it really will depend on how he does for the rest of this season and next. Do we extend him this summer? No idea... I'll put 50% odds on that.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
8x $8M with lots of signing bonus structure and a NMC. My gut says this is something he will be open to but it really will depend on how he does for the rest of this season and next. Do we extend him this summer? No idea... I'll put 50% odds on that.
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It's not a priority and no NMC it's not the way to manage assets.
Hopefully we see a fully healthy Laine next season with the team being better/more exciting.
We can then determine what a team friendly vs mercenary deal will actually look like.
 
On contract,

I think if Laine plays well through next year, offer around 8 million/year for 5 years. He can get paid more than Suzuki because of cap inflation, because those are UFA years, and because the contract is shorter.

Laine complements the top-6 really well. It's necessary to have two effective lines. With Laine and Demidov on the Habs have two effective scoring lines even if any one player is injured. That's about as much top-6 depth as a team can have I think.

No opinion on Ehlers. I don't know him well enough.
 
Rapala said:
It's not a priority and no NMC it's not the way to manage assets.
Hopefully we see a fully healthy Laine next season with the team being better/more exciting.
We can then determine what a team friendly vs mercenary deal will actually look like.
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Well, it's a negotiation. I believe Laine does want to stay but he will use some leverage if we shoot for a team friendly deal. One of them is a NTC or NMC. It's pretty typical.

I do agree that that extension is more likely to happen in season next year vs this summer. If we get the extension this summer, it's most likely a team friendly deal Hughes can pass up.
 
Rapala said:
It's not a priority and no NMC it's not the way to manage assets.
Hopefully we see a fully healthy Laine next season with the team being better/more exciting.
We can then determine what a team friendly vs mercenary deal will actually look like.
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There's almost no chance Laine signs an extension without some sort of NTC/NMC in it. I think the absolute min will be something like a 10 team NTC, and could see it actually being closer to 20 given his statements about hockey mad markets.

The big question is how much would going to the full NMC will cut down the cap hit. If it's the difference of 2m there's a case for us to do it. Same thing with term, how much of a discount will we get by going longer term.

But yeah contract talk is a bit premature, he's clearly not at 100% and we will have to see him at least close to that before any serious contract talk happens.
 
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Sorinth said:
The big question is how much would going to the full NMC will cut down the cap hit. If it's the difference of 2m there's a case for us to do it. Same thing with term, how much of a discount will we get by going longer term.
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Do we have any good examples about that?
 
BehindTheTimes said:
He’s a true star. I was surprised by the amount of posters who didn’t want to pursue him. He gets back into full game shape and he is over a ppg for sure.
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A large part of our fan base are herd followers and because they are in a popular herd, they think their party is the best one out there. Impossible that a herd of people can be wrong.

I remember the comments made towards Laine. "Montreal is the last place Laine should be" That was said by a lot of posters. I fought that pretty hard and I will admit, the cost to acquire was much less than I expected. Cap problems for contenders was the biggest reason.
 
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DAChampion said:
Do we have any good examples about that?
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We don't because we are not part of the internal negotiations and we will never know this stuff.

Laine will get a NTC at a min. How many teams? Your guess is as good as mine. I'm pretty sure Hughes avoids the NMC but if he gives the NMC, he gets gains in other areas.

My gut says Laine gets the NTC and maybe 10-15 teams
 
Habs Halifax said:
A large part of our fan base are herd followers and because they are in a popular herd, they think their party is the best one out there. Impossible that a herd of people can be wrong.

I remember the comments made towards Laine. "Montreal is the last place Laine should be" That was said by a lot of posters. I fought that pretty hard and I will admit, the cost to acquire was much less than I expected. Cap problems for contenders was the biggest reason.
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agree

give the guy a break... "your words" and so true..... good post you make
 
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sampollock said:
agree

give the guy a break... "your words" and so true..... good post you make
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It's all good. I just find we can all be influenced with that popular herd at times. I know I did when I was on the KK train and ignored my gut by liking Tkachuk a lot.

Matheson is working very hard at improving and it's showing. I just find it funny on how people think he is the same guy he was 3 years ago. It's just not accurate and he should be allowed to improve. Same with Monty... Dobes is showing some real nice potential and look at us, we are already trying to create a goalie starter controversy. Some of this stuff boggles my mind at times. Monty is not done improving yet either. Lets be happy we have both of them with Fowler on the way

You watch the storyline with Laine. It's only a matter of time before some fans target him with some of the risks he takes out there with the puck. For now, they have Matheson to target. haha
 
LaineBOOM said:
I already really miss being InsideLaine 😓
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Habs Halifax said:
It's all good. I just find we can all be influenced with that popular herd at times. I know I did when I was on the KK train and ignored my gut by liking Tkachuk a lot.

Matheson is working very hard at improving and it's showing. I just find it funny on how people think he is the same guy he was 3 years ago. It's just not accurate and he should be allowed to improve. Same with Monty... Dobes is showing some real nice potential and look at us, we are already trying to create a goalie starter controversy. Some of this stuff boggles my mind at times. Monty is not done improving yet either. Lets be happy we have both of them with Fowler on the way

You watch the storyline with Laine. It's only a matter of time before some fans target him with some of the risks he takes out there with the puck. For now, they have Matheson to target. haha
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hey man... was not making fun of your comment.. in fact I applaud it. "give the buy a break" was a solid saying for this board
 
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HHel said:
I don't think Laine will agree to a 2-3 year deal. That doesn't make any sense to him. If they say he's asking for 8.5M-9M x 6-8 years and the club doesn't want to give it. Who will replace him on the team to keep the competitiveness the same? The team has to be successful within four years, because Hutson and Demidov, for example, are on cheap contracts.

Laine is nowhere near full fitness yet and still scored 18 points in 21 games. You can't ignore that.

Laine gets a lot of crap for not being the smoothest skater or trying too hard to slip through small gaps sometimes. But he's a very smart player and makes a lot of small good moves. Give him a chance and judge him only next season when he is full fit and he's had a chance to play with Demidov.
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Not sure many teams will want to go long terme with him. Too much risk

Habs Halifax said:
8x $8M with lots of signing bonus structure and a NMC. My gut says this is something he will be open to but it really will depend on how he does for the rest of this season and next. Do we extend him this summer? No idea... I'll put 50% odds on that.
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I wouldn’t give 8 years to Laine personally
 
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