Value of: Patrik Laine & 16 or 17 OA

[Patty Ice]

Sounds about right. You'll need to add a first round pick to get rid of Laine.

 

[Fatass]

No thanks. Not the kind of veteran I'd want in the Sharks locker room

Take the picks and put Laine on waivers and send him to the A?

 

[Patty Ice]

Maybe the Hawks or San Jose? Those teams could take his full contract and would be happy with the picks the Habs add. Not too sure if either team has the second line centre the OP hopes for though?

No need for a 2C. This would have to be a Walman deal.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Sounds about right. You'll need to add a first round pick to get rid of Laine.

Buyout is quite friendly, no need to dump him. And the Habs have a lot of cap space, I don t think it comes down to this.

 

[miscs75]

And it seems like MSL doesn’t was a guy with those “massive flaws” playing with his elite, young players. IMO Laine is at a point with the Habs where he’s got to go. The club is too good to keep him.

I don’t blame him for that either. Outside of his shot, it’s like playing on the PK all shift. Even Ovi is substantially better defensively and he usually has the broken controller syndrome.

 

[Leafshater67]

Islanders should be all over this. They’re desperate for scoring and with one year left, retention can probably be had.

Im not a huge laine fan but he can help a PP and a team desperately in need of someone who can be a trigger man.

 

[miscs75]

Islanders should be all over this. They’re desperate for scoring and with one year left, retention can probably be had.

Im not a huge laine fan but he can help a PP and a team desperately in need of someone who can be a trigger man.

Not at 8m a year with the players who still need to be signed. Romanov/Dobson/Holmstrom/Tsyplakov all RFA and unsigned. I’d rather sign those 4 than 1 year of an expensive Oliver Wahlstrom with a better shot.

 

[Patty Ice]

Buyout is quite friendly, no need to dump him. And the Habs have a lot of cap space, I don t think it comes down to this.

No I agree. It was a tongue in cheek remark to the idea that ithe package could net a 2C.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Including Laine makes this package significantly worse

 

[Puckstuff]

It would cost 16-17th overall + Hage to get a top 4 D at the level of a Pulock or Pelech. And then to dump Laine add another piece.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Still need to find a taker for Laine and most teams really don’t want an $8m deadweight contract outside of ones struggling to reach the cap floor.

Montreal still has a retention spot available for this year, so they can easily deal him before the draft with retention of 50% if that is what it takes. i expect a second retention spot will be used for Price once his bonuses are paid on July 1. Even with those two, they would have an additional retention spot, depending on how next season goes, for a Gallagher or Anderson. No need to lose assets to unload him, just a taker.

 

[GoJackets1]

Amazing that Laine still can’t grow up and work hard when he’s 27. He’ll be back in Europe after next year.

 

[lionsDen]

where’s the habs fan who argued value with me about laine.

 

[miscs75]

Montreal still has a retention spot available for this year, so they can easily deal him before the draft with retention of 50% if that is what it takes. i expect a second retention spot will be used for Price once his bonuses are paid on July 1. Even with those two, they would have an additional retention spot, depending on how next season goes, for a Gallagher or Anderson. No need to lose assets to unload him, just a taker.

No one wants him at full cap it, even if it’s for one season. Thats essentially $8m on a guy who’s basically dead weight away from the puck. There’s not many teams who would touch that unless they’re below/ at the cap floor and need a salary to get them over that spot. The easiest way to move him would be to retain, take back another high salary expiring player or buy out. Moving him and getting back no cap hit in return would be almost impossible from atleast 90% of the league.

 

[That Habs Fan]

I'm pleasantly surprised this thread resulted in some earnest replies since it probably is wishful thinking on my part.

I admit it would probably require maybe the addition of another pick (Montreal also has two 2nd rounders and three in the 3rd in 2025, so lots to play with) and maybe more than one prospect .I do wonder though if certain teams would take the risk, his contract does have only one year left.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

I'm pleasantly surprised this thread resulted in some earnest replies since it probably is wishful thinking on my part.

I admit it would probably require maybe the addition of another pick (Montreal also has two 2nd rounders and three in the 3rd in 2025, so lots to play with) and maybe more than one prospect .I do wonder though if certain teams would take the risk, his contract does have only one year left.

Well, it would depend on how 'sure' of a 2C you would want. If you want a 'sure' 2C then yes, you'll need to add.
As far as dumping Laine's salary itself goes, with the cap going up, you wouldn't need to add. It won't cost quite as much to dump salary this offseason as it has in years past.

 

[Leafshater67]

Not at 8m a year with the players who still need to be signed. Romanov/Dobson/Holmstrom/Tsyplakov all RFA and unsigned. I’d rather sign those 4 than 1 year of an expensive Oliver Wahlstrom with a better shot.

Which is why I mentioned retention. He’s far better than Wahlstrom but I get the comparison. Laine at 4m and asking Duclair to waive his clause could work.

Laine did well at centre in a brief stint too. I’d give him another shot at if I was the coach and lacking up the middle.

 

[Kojo]

Islanders should be all over this. They’re desperate for scoring and with one year left, retention can probably be had.

Im not a huge laine fan but he can help a PP and a team desperately in need of someone who can be a trigger man.

Habs powerplay is worst with him. He gets an occasional highlight reel goal because his shot looks like a lazer when he hits it. Half the time he whiff it and the rest of the time he cough up the puck or make a bad pass.

He's net -

 

[miscs75]

Which is why I mentioned retention. He’s far better than Wahlstrom but I get the comparison. Laine at 4m and asking Duclair to waive his clause could work.

Laine did well at centre in a brief stint too. I’d give him another shot at if I was the coach and lacking up the middle.

Duclair for Laine I’d do since It’ll get them out of the Duclair contract and at the deadline/next summer Laine can pack up his act and move onto the next location with a good Fortnite server. I doubt the Habs would touch that though.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Just waive him if he’s out of shape or a problem in training camp next year. Otherwise hope he’s motivated and try and trade him at the deadline if there is a market.

 

[RationalExpectations]

No I agree. It was a tongue in cheek remark to the idea that ithe package could net a 2C.

Oh definitely that we Can agree about. For me 2C price is around what Nelson/Horvat got at TDL, i.e. adding Laine makes it so much more expenzive.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The saddest part about the Laine saga is that if he played at his hardest (training too so he was in his best condition) he’d be adored in Montreal. IMO there’s no better hockey market than Montreal for recognizing effort and sacrifice, especially when it’s coming from the most talented players. If Laine is traded (I think it’s inevitable) the cost will be retention and picks. Then the return could be the second line centre the OP is hoping for.

Instead, he's your username.

 

[pth2]

I see no value in combining moving out Laine with acquiring a 2C.

 

[MrLunatik]

I kinda feel like after last night's game, and some of the comments from Habs players saying they won because there were no passengers, that Laine's stint as a Hab may be short and sweet,

Which teams might be willing to take a 1 year cap dump in Laine to also get a 16th or 17th overall, namely for a 2nd line centre or top 4 RHD? Preferably someone between the ages 26-30 and over 6 ft.

Montreal could (and would have to) sweeten the pot with one of our many good but kinda redundant prospects (Kapanen/Beck/Mailloux/Mesar/Farrel/Tuch/Engstrom/Primeau etc...)

In previous years I would've suggested something with Arizona/Utah, but those days are seemingly over and I can't think of another team that's clearly cap-dump central. Maybe Seattle or NYI? I'd say Chicago but the only pieces that Montreal would want from there aren't available. Pittsburgh should go this route but won't be with Dubas.

You'd have to add a hell of a sweetener to land a youngish top 4 defenseman or top 6 center to the first just to add that calibre player... nevermind getting the other team to take on Laine's contract which still pays him 9.1m in actual dollars.

It would be much smarter to do 2 seperate deals, especially with Laine because he gets a 2m signing bonus on July 1, making it easier to move him at that point.

But from a Flames perspective I'd be willing to add Laine, in hopes maybe he can have a good year in a contract year and I think our leadership group is really good and can keep him from being a poor influence, and maybe even help him get his shit together

I'd only offer 2 deals though.
Before July 1: Miromanov and FLA 1st, for Laine, CGY 1st and VAN 3rd (the 3rd is only if FLA is eliminated in round 1 or 2)
After July 1 (and the 2m signing bonus is paid): Miromanov and CGY 5th (2026) for Laine and CBJ 2nd (2026)

Edit: After posting, I thought of this... if the Habs eat 50% (which is less than 500k more than the first year cap penalty of a buyout), I'd do Laine for Miromanov straight up

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'm pleasantly surprised this thread resulted in some earnest replies since it probably is wishful thinking on my part.

I admit it would probably require maybe the addition of another pick (Montreal also has two 2nd rounders and three in the 3rd in 2025, so lots to play with) and maybe more than one prospect .I do wonder though if certain teams would take the risk, his contract does have only one year left.

What exactly are you hoping to get in a 2C in terms of production, age, and all-around play?

Obviously you don't think Dvorak or Dach are good enough, but any substantial upgrade on them would cost so much more than you're hoping for that you're not even in the same stratosphere. No offense, but it's borderline delusional.

Laine is a negative value asset at his cap hit. You need to account for paying a team handsomely to take him and then add significantly more to get a 2C. Think Slavkovsky, then keep adding.