Patrik Allvin Press Conference | 3pm | Sportsnet

[1440]

Also mentioned Mynio, who is a guy I hope the Canucks sell high on.

Sell high? If anything him playing on a horrendous team in Seattle (although now he has been traded), and not getting as much ice time as he deserved at the WJC suggest that he isn't at an evident developmental high at this time. Selling high on him would be trading him after a deep playoff run with Calgary or if he gets hot for a stretch with his new team.

All that said, I think he is the Canucks' second best D prospect after Willander and would like to see him at least get a year in Abbotsford before the Canucks decide what to do with him.

 

[ManVanFan]

Though in response to the question about the offseason, the comment saying they worked with the coaching staff to figure out what to prioritize felt a bit like throwing them under the bus for the bad signings / defence construction.

Every time he mentions the coach it's always about "playing the right way". It reminds me far too much of the praise Benning used to give Green.

 

[VanJack]

Most interesting thing to me about this news conference from a "Hockey Futures' standpoint, is that Allvin said they 'zero interest' in trading their top prospects.

He then listed Wilander, Lekkerimaki, Mynio and Kudryavtsev. He said the feeling of management is that they will all be NHL players one day.

Interesting that he mentions Kudryavtsev. A few posts on these boards intimated that the Canuck head office was less than enthralled with him, and that he might be included in any trade.

 

[WTG]

I just don’t see where he fits especially with MP in tow and Willander on the way.

What's the harm in keeping him and developing him more then moving him.

 

[God]

Name dropping these defensive prospects is probably half giving them confidence in their play, and half posturing to keep their value up for other teams. All of them except Kudryatsev are probably better bets to hit than Fernstrom.

 

[pitseleh]

Name dropping these defensive prospects is probably half giving them confidence in their play, and half posturing to keep their value up for other teams. All of them except Kudryatsev are probably better bets to hit than Fernstrom.

Also, if they lock up M Pettersson realistically there’s only space for one of E Pettersson, Kudryatsev, and Mynio on this roster in the next 4-5 years. Have to assume E Pettersson has a leg up and that they end up trading at least one.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

What's the harm in keeping him and developing him more then moving him.

I just think the gloss will start to come off a bit and his value might never be higher.

He’s not going to get much, if any, playing time with the Nucks. He’s just not going to supplant anyone.

And the more time goes by, prospects become less and less, the new shiny toy as they are replaced by other new shiny toys.

So if teams were asking, I think they should listen.

In addition, depth is nice but it should also be used to strengthen other areas. Between the current dmen on the Nucks,Willander, EP2, Mynio and Kud, that’s too many players for not enough spots.

Use one or two to strengthen upfront where you are severely lacking.

Personally, I think trading the Rags 1st might bite them in the ass. Especially if someone like Kud or Kud+ could have got the deal done.

 

[xtr3m]

Every time he mentions the coach it's always about "playing the right way". It reminds me far too much of the praise Benning used to give Green.

Yep

Then there’s the obsession with playing Juulsen and VD. Everyone’s praising the MP trade because we finally got rid of VD, as if it was the only way to keep him away from the line up.

 

[WTG]

I just think the gloss will start to come off a bit and his value might never be higher.

He’s not going to get much, if any, playing time with the Nucks. He’s just not going to supplant anyone.

And the more time goes by, prospects become less and less, the new shiny toy as they are replaced by other new shiny toys.

So if teams were asking, I think they should listen.

In addition, depth is nice but it should also be used to strengthen other areas. Between the current dmen on the Nucks,Willander, EP2, Mynio and Kud, that’s too many players for not enough spots.

Use one or two to strengthen upfront where you are severely lacking.

Personally, I think trading the Rags 1st might bite them in the ass. Especially if someone like Kud or Kud+ could have got the deal done.

His value in the future might also be much higher. If he is pushing for NHL slots he'll be a lot more valuable than if he was just having a good first year pro. I get that there is this "shiny new toy" syndrome, I think that is mostly a fan sentiment than a management sentiment. If you have a 21-22 year old pushing for spots on defense that is more valuable than a player who is having a good year first year pro.

 

[VanJack]

Also, if they lock up M Pettersson realistically there’s only space for one of E Pettersson, Kudryatsev, and Mynio on this roster in the next 4-5 years. Have to assume E Pettersson has a leg up and that they end up trading at least one.

Possibly. But both Wilander and Kudryavtsev are right-shot defenders. Finding young, right-shot defenders, who can actually play at the NHL-level and generate offense, are as rare as Picasso's.

And I really doubt Allvin would be tempted to include either one of them for a strict TDL rental. So it's really going to have to be something good, with a similar young talent on ELC's coming back in any deal.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

His value in the future might also be much higher. If he is pushing for NHL slots he'll be a lot more valuable than if he was just having a good first year pro. I get that there is this "shiny new toy" syndrome, I think that is mostly a fan sentiment than a management sentiment. If you have a 21-22 year old pushing for spots on defense that is more valuable than a player who is having a good year first year pro.

Issue is I don’t think he will be pushing for a spot on the Nucks because of competition and depth both in Van and Abby.

So to me, I only see the gloss start to come off and his value start to decline.

I’d rather cash in early than late.

Kinda like how mgmt did with Brz last year.

 

[pitseleh]

Possibly. But both Wilander and Kudryavtsev are right-shot defenders. Finding young, right-shot defenders, who can actually play at the NHL-level and generate offense, are as rare as Picasso's.

And I really doubt Allvin would be tempted to include either one of them for a strict TDL rental. So it's really going to have to be something good, with a similar young talent on ELC's coming back in any deal.

Kudryatsev is a LS, like the other two.

Agree it will be for a long term piece though.

 

[B-rock]

It’s a good sign Kud has come in to Abby and leads the team in d scoring while by all accounts is more than serviceable in his own end, all in his rookie year. I honestly can’t remember the last dman drafted by the Canucks that managed to do anything close to similar. Bieksa maybe?

For years we’d draft what looked to be somewhat capable defenders only to see them fall apart the minute they stepped foot into the AHL.

I think there’s some trauma for Canucks fans (deservedly). It feels like there’s a lot of waiting for the other shoe to drop especially on all of these d prospects that look promising and the reflexive reaction is to get rid of them before they inevitably fall apart.

 

[VanJack]

Allvin said at his presser that Elias Pettersson II won't be heading to the AHL-star game and skills competition. They're keeping him in Vancouver for the time being.

Interesting development. I would have thought with Marcus Pettersson coming in from Pittsburgh, that D-Petey would be farmed out and heading to the all-star game at Palm Desert, home of the Coachella Valley Firebirds.

But apparently Ty Mueller is now going in his place.

 

[SillyRabbit]

He keeps praising the coach, like, more than anything. Not sure what to think of it.

Based on Tocchet's post game interview yesterday, where he looked absolutely pissed that Miller had been traded, and called him the "heart and soul" of the team, it's possible that Tocchet had asked management not to trade Miller and they did so anyway.

And this is Allvin's way of trying to get back into his good books.

Complete speculation on my part, however.

 

[Bubbles]

Based on Tocchet's post game interview yesterday, where he looked absolutely pissed that Miller had been traded, and called him the "heart and soul" of the team, it's possible that Tocchet had asked management not to trade Miller and they did so anyway.

And this is Allvin's way of trying to get back into his good books.

Complete speculation on my part, however.

As we all know now, things could change rather quickly here. I can see Tocchet not being renewed and a new coach brought in.

 

[F A N]

“Chytil was a first round pick so you can think of it as us getting a first round pick back. He is also a centre so that is very important to us.”

 

[tantalum]

You don’t trade young players with promise because in 4-5 years there might not be space for them. For one thing, very rarely has a NHL team had too many good prospects they didn’t know what to do with. Second, not all those players will hit but if they are improving you keep them around (pending roster build goals…ie. adding for a run). The time to deal is when the youngster is knocking on the door. Then you evaluate if you move the veteran or the younger guy. Essentially too many prospects is never an issue.

 

[Peen]

As we all know now, things could change rather quickly here. I can see Tocchet not being renewed and a new coach brought in.

That doesn't sound like it would be team driven given the way they've showered praise on him.

And, imo, rightfully so. Tocchet's shown this season he's not perfect but it's not on him.

 

[Bubbles]

That doesn't sound like it would be team driven given the way they've showered praise on him.

And, imo, rightfully so. Tocchet's shown this season he's not perfect but it's not on him.

Pierre LeBrun said it was a mutual option for next year. It's not unusual for coaches to work the full contract. There's also the possibility that Tocchet doesn't want to coach the team.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You don’t trade young players with promise because in 4-5 years there might not be space for them. For one thing, very rarely has a NHL team had too many good prospects they didn’t know what to do with. Second, not all those players will hit but if they are improving you keep them around (pending roster build goals…ie. adding for a run). The time to deal is when the youngster is knocking on the door. Then you evaluate if you move the veteran or the younger guy. Essentially too many prospects is never an issue.

The Kings pissed away their young RHD depth.

So there’s a recent example right there.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You don’t trade young players with promise because in 4-5 years there might not be space for them. For one thing, very rarely has a NHL team had too many good prospects they didn’t know what to do with. Second, not all those players will hit but if they are improving you keep them around (pending roster build goals…ie. adding for a run). The time to deal is when the youngster is knocking on the door. Then you evaluate if you move the veteran or the younger guy. Essentially too many prospects is never an issue.

Bang on! I’m trying to remember when we ever had too many NHL ready prospects and no room for them. I’m drawing a blank.
Prospects bust, older players decline and need to be replaced or there are injuries. Having too many prospects knocking at the door is never a bad thing.
Even if it did happen you can always make a trade. Right now our young D prospects aside from Willander would not fetch a lot on their own imo.

 

[tantalum]

The Kings pissed away their young RHD depth.

So there’s a recent example right there.

Which is why you don’t do that as I was saying. You just don’t get many situations of “too many prospects” or guys being “blocked”. When you have such situations being reported or discussed it is inevitably guys like Linden Vey. Guys that aren’t actually blocked but rather simply not good enough.