Proposal: Patrick Kane to Pittsburgh at the draft

[jmelm]

Kane ain’t choosing Pittsburgh, especially if he watched the game today.

Also, given the Penguins pathetic prospect pool, there’s no way we would be able to put together a better offer than other teams.

 

[SEALBound]

That's a hard no from the Penguins. Complete 180* from the direction they are going and need to be going.

Doesn't mean Kane isn't good. Just that this deal stinks for the Penguins.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's a hard no from the Penguins. Complete 180* from the direction they are going and need to be going.

Doesn't mean Kane isn't good. Just that this deal stinks for the Penguins.

What's your alternative?

 

[SEALBound]

What's your alternative?

I'll wait to see the contracts Malkin, Letang, and possible Rakell and Rust get before making major proposals.

It's not like this is Kane or Bust.

But if you wants names, I would look into signing Trochek. I would look to trade Kapanen off for Kubalik in a crap-for-crap swap in hopes in reinvigorates both of them. I would be talking to Vancouver to see what Garland or Boeser truly cost. I would be talking to a couple teams that may have interest in bringing in a guy like Zucker - the return depends on what the team is.

My ultimate goal would be something like this:

Jake-Sid-Malkin
Zucker-Trochek-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Kubalik
Boyle-Bleuger-McGinn

Dumo-Letang
Math-Marino
Petts-Rudwedel/Freidman

TJ/MAF

A lot also depends on how much MAF is willing to sign for,.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'll wait to see the contracts Malkin, Letang, and possible Rakell and Rust get before making major proposals.

It's not like this is Kane or Bust.

But if you wants names, I would look into signing Trochek. I would look to trade Kapanen off for Kubalik in a crap-for-crap swap in hopes in reinvigorates both of them. I would be talking to Vancouver to see what Garland or Boeser truly cost. I would be talking to a couple teams that may have interest in bringing in a guy like Zucker - the return depends on what the team is.

My ultimate goal would be something like this:

Jake-Sid-Malkin
Zucker-Trochek-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Kubalik
Boyle-Bleuger-McGinn

Dumo-Letang
Math-Marino
Petts-Rudwedel/Freidman

TJ/MAF

A lot also depends on how much MAF is willing to sign for,.

So your ultimate goal would be to switch out Rust, Kapanen, and DeSmith for Trocheck, Kubalik, and MAF, and then move Malkin to wing?

This team doesn't have enough skill to compete as it is, and your solution is to downgrade the talent level then put our 2nd best forward out of position.

I couldn't disagree more. I don't have the words to express how wrong I think this is. It's the same half-assed approach that got us in this mess with Zucker and Kapanen. Crosby and Malkin need another elite talent capable of driving offense, not a mediocre 2C and retreads.

 

[SEALBound]

So your ultimate goal would be to switch out Rust, Kapanen, and DeSmith for Trocheck, Kubalik, and MAF, and then move Malkin to wing?

This team doesn't have enough skill to compete as it is, and your solution is to downgrade the talent level then put our 2nd best forward out of position.

I couldn't disagree more. I don't have the words to express how wrong I think this is. It's the same half-assed approach that got us in this mess with Zucker and Kapanen. Crosby and Malkin need another elite talent capable of driving offense, not a mediocre 2C and retreads.

That's fine, you can disagree all you want. But I can promise you that my approach is more on the path of what Burke and Hextall will do than yours. Not a chance they spend 2 1sts and our best prospects for a year of Kane.

I think there's a growing amount of evidence that suggests Malkin should be put on the wing. That said, when you're core is 34/35 about to be 35/36, bringing in another 33yo guy isn't going to be the difference-maker in terms of competing. The issue this year is that the supporting cast they do have isn't playing to the levels they are capable of. ERod, Kapanen, Heinen, etc are all underperforming. The roster is capable. It's just a matter of whether or not they all execute.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's fine, you can disagree all you want. But I can promise you that my approach is more on the path of what Burke and Hextall will do than yours. Not a chance they spend 2 1sts and our best prospects for a year of Kane.

I think there's a growing amount of evidence that suggests Malkin should be put on the wing. That said, when you're core is 34/35 about to be 35/36, bringing in another 33yo guy isn't going to be the difference-maker in terms of competing. The issue this year is that the supporting cast they do have isn't playing to the levels they are capable of. ERod, Kapanen, Heinen, etc are all underperforming. The roster is capable. It's just a matter of whether or not they all execute.

That's also fine. Wouldn't be the first time I disagreed with the Pens brass.

Malkin's not only a center, he's a prototypical center. He generates offense by carrying the puck and orchestrating plays from the middle of the ice. What's the evidence that he should be moved to wing? How often does this happen with HoF centers at the end of their careers, while still producing at this rate? I'd wager almost never.

Judging players by their age rather than their effectiveness confuses me. Kane is one of the elite playoff performers of his generation, had a p/g in his last playoffs, and is currently tied for 12th in NHL scoring.

Trocheck has fewer career playoff points than Kane had in his last playoff run...in more than twice as many games. But he's going to be a playoff difference-maker and Kane isn't?

 

[SEALBound]

That's also fine. Wouldn't be the first time I disagreed with the Pens brass.

Malkin's not only a center, he's a prototypical center. He generates offense by carrying the puck and orchestrating plays from the middle of the ice. What's the evidence that he should be moved to wing? How often does this happen with HoF centers at the end of their careers, while still producing at this rate? I'd wager almost never.

Judging players by their age rather than their effectiveness confuses me. Kane is one of the elite playoff performers of his generation, had a p/g in his last playoffs, and is currently tied for 12th in NHL scoring.

Trocheck has fewer career playoff points than Kane had in his last playoff run...in more than twice as many games. But he's going to be a playoff difference-maker and Kane isn't?

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that when you have a core that is mid-30's bringing in another mid-30s guy isn't going to have a major impact if the supporting cast you have isn't performing as it should. Let's say for example we nabbed Kane for that price at this year's TDL. I don't think that alone is the difference between us winning the cup and not if our guys like Kapanen, Heinen, ERod, Bleuger, McGinn, Carter, etc aren't performing the way they should. So I'd rather retool the roster with available assets rather than dump everything on one guy.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that when you have a core that is mid-30's bringing in another mid-30s guy isn't going to have a major impact if the supporting cast you have isn't performing as it should. Let's say for example we nabbed Kane for that price at this year's TDL. I don't think that alone is the difference between us winning the cup and not if our guys like Kapanen, Heinen, ERod, Bleuger, McGinn, Carter, etc aren't performing the way they should. So I'd rather retool the roster with available assets rather than dump everything on one guy.

But switching out Rust for Trocheck would?

Yes, we can retool some of the other supporting cast too, but we need a needle-mover. Our biggest problem both before Kessel got here and after he left was not having a 3rd dynamic offensive player to help carry the load.

You want a player like that, you have to pay a premium.