Patrick Kane ceiling all-time?

[libertarian]

He has a very legitimate shot at retiring top 15 in all-time points and IMHO being the greatest Blackhawk of all time.

Are you old enough to have seen Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita and Denis Savard play?

Kane will absolutely go down in Black Hawk history as one of their greatest players of all time not sure he beats some of their great players of the 60's, 70's, 80's. That said Kane has 3 SCs so maybe this puts him to be the best over all.

Not sure Kane is the greatest Black Hawk player but he is the greatest US born player that ever played in the NHL. Time will tell if Matthews eventually beats him out.

 

[Prettyisland]

He will play for a long time.. can probably see him as a pp specialist in the twilight of his career as well. Point totals can’t even be estimated at this point who knows. Certainly the best USA born hockey player of all time.. winning and points will put him there

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Are you old enough to have seen Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita and Denis Savard play?

Kane will absolutely go down in Black Hawk history as one of their greatest players of all time not sure he beats some of their great players of the 60's, 70's, 80's. That said Kane has 3 SCs so maybe this puts him to be the best over all.

Not sure Kane is the greatest Black Hawk player but he is the greatest US born player that ever played in the NHL. Time will tell if Matthews eventually beats him out.

He passed Savard long ago.

It can be up for debate on Hull and Mikita but I think he does it.

The main piece on the most successful time in franchise history, all scoring records, trophy cabinet full.

 

[Kojo]

He's a great player but the answer is no.

 

[zizbuka]

Even doubling his trophy case won't help him to pass Ovechkin. Crosby is reachable in that scenario.

Oh, I was thinking all around hockey player, not just scorer.

 

[NeverBeNormal]

Well, Sakic could be a better road map because he never really had a decline except his last year, and won cups a lot earlier than Yzerman.

Kane's playoff OT performances really support this.

 

[Crow]

Not many people talking about his ceiling in this thread

 

[Randyne]

Oh, I was thinking all around hockey player, not just scorer.

Still a long way to pass
PPG in top 10
Ovechkin 1,1,1,5,5,8,9,9
P. Kane 1,3,3,4,4,5,10

	G	A	P	+/-	hits	blocks	TkA
Alexander Ovechkin	717	582	1299	76	3086	467	675
Patrick Kane	401	663	1 064	75	273	211	601

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[x Tame Impala]

Are you old enough to have seen Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita and Denis Savard play?

Kane will absolutely go down in Black Hawk history as one of their greatest players of all time not sure he beats some of their great players of the 60's, 70's, 80's. That said Kane has 3 SCs so maybe this puts him to be the best over all.

Not sure Kane is the greatest Black Hawk player but he is the greatest US born player that ever played in the NHL. Time will tell if Matthews eventually beats him out.

IF he passes Mikita in points then i think it'd be fair to say he's the greatest Blackhawk. Top 15 All time in points, Hart, Ross, Pearson, Smythe, 3 TIME CUP winner, perrenial All-Star, perennially among the elite players in the league

 

[MadLuke]

IF he passes Mikita in points then i think it'd be fair to say he's the greatest Blackhawk.

Considered Mikita played in a 70 games a season low scoring league for a large part of is career, having more point in a more prolific era for points era would be a minimum here.

Mikita was a elite faceoff center with defensive responsibility, but unlike Kane didn't face the best defensive opponent having the chance to have Hull on a different line.

top 10 Finish in points:
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-2-3-3-3-4
Kane..: 1-2-3-3-5-8-9

Hart top 5 finish
Mikita: 1-1-2-4-5
Kane..: 1


All star
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2
Kane..: 1-1-1-2

Mikita is vastly considerer one of the top 20-30 type of players of all time

 

[x Tame Impala]

Considered Mikita played in a 70 games a season low scoring league for a large part of is career, having more point in a more prolific era for points era would be a minimum here.

Mikita was a elite faceoff center with defensive responsibility, but unlike Kane didn't face the best defensive opponent having the chance to have Hull on a different line.

top 10 Finish in points:
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-2-3-3-3-4
Kane..: 1-2-3-3-5-8-9

Hart top 5 finish
Mikita: 1-1-2-4-5
Kane..: 1


All star
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2
Kane..: 1-1-1-2

Mikita is vastly considerer one of the top 20-30 type of players of all time

Hey yeah man I'm well aware of how much of a Legend Stan Mikita is. It doesn't change my argument. Kane finishing top 15 in points coupled with his incredibly impressive playoff resume and successes would absolutely be an argument for being the greatest Hawk.

 

[MadLuke]

for being the greatest Hawk.

You mean by that greater than Mikita, or in the sense above Hull as well ?

If Kane finish some points above Mikita he should be out of the top 15, outside some issue with Crosby-Ovechkin career.

 

[ClydeLee]

Considered Mikita played in a 70 games a season low scoring league for a large part of is career, having more point in a more prolific era for points era would be a minimum here.

Mikita was a elite faceoff center with defensive responsibility, but unlike Kane didn't face the best defensive opponent having the chance to have Hull on a different line.

top 10 Finish in points:
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-2-3-3-3-4
Kane..: 1-2-3-3-5-8-9

Hart top 5 finish
Mikita: 1-1-2-4-5
Kane..: 1


All star
Mikita: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2
Kane..: 1-1-1-2

Mikita is vastly considerer one of the top 20-30 type of players of all time

Mikita had parts in low scoring eras but overall it was very middle road by also high scoring eras. If you go by scoring era ranges via adjusted scoring, Mikita gains 11 pts meanwhile Kane gains 200 points from that based on 07-2015 being such a drag scoring wise.

If Kane finished actual points above Mikita he would be way and beyond the best Hawk ever

 

[abo9]

I think he ends up in that Sakic tier like some others said. Especially if he has the longevity to go with it, he will finish as the top point producer after the clear-cut generational players (and who knows, maybe even more).

 

[MadLuke]

If you go by scoring era ranges via adjusted scoring, Mikita gains 11 pts meanwhile Kane gains 200 points from that based on 07-2015 being such a drag scoring wise.

That interesting has one should not assume (but Mikita played in the higher scoring higher games part of is career has an older player too not sure how well the raw adjusting work in that situation, but it is true that Kane also had a lot of prime during a low scoring era and is older self will have played in the high scoring has well).

If Kane finished actual points above Mikita he would be way and begins the best Hawk ever

Well Bobby Hull won 7 rocket richard has a Hawks and is considered the most serious candidate for the 5 best player to ever play the game, sure he quit on the Hawks at 33 and open the door but he did so much.

 

[jetsforever]

I'd probably say somewhere in the 20-40 range.

 

[sharkhawk]

Are you old enough to have seen Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita and Denis Savard play?

Kane will absolutely go down in Black Hawk history as one of their greatest players of all time not sure he beats some of their great players of the 60's, 70's, 80's. That said Kane has 3 SCs so maybe this puts him to be the best over all.

Not sure Kane is the greatest Black Hawk player but he is the greatest US born player that ever played in the NHL. Time will tell if Matthews eventually beats him out.

I’m old enough to have watched all three, although I didn’t see Hull and Mikita in their primes. Savard isn’t in the conversation anymore, Kane passed him when he won the Hart. He might not pass Hull on the all time list , but he’s up there on the Hawks all time list. The three cups have more weighting on a team list than the NHL list. For example Keith is behind pilote all time nhl, but ahead on the hawks list

 

[Dr Pepper]

I'd think he ends up as the top US-born player of all time, both in points and overall.

 

[Zuluss]

I am still not sold on Kane>Malkin, I think Malkin will be Kane's ceiling based on the strength of Malkin's peak (Malkin's 11/12 is at least as good as Kane's 15/16, and Malkin's 07/08 and 08/09 were almost as good as 11/12, while Kane lacks another season close to 15/16; plus, Malkin's Conn Smythe run was better than Kane's).

In terms of all-time ranking, Malkin is correctly ranked next to Forsberg, who is another super-talanted player plagued by injuries, and both of them slot somewhere around 40-50 all-time. So that's Kane's all-time ceiling.

 

[Demandedace]

Way too hard to compare eras. I'd say he could be top 5 of his generation. Somewhere below Crosby, but above Ovechkin.

Lol what?

Kane is easily top five of this generation but the bolded above is pure hyperbole

 

[Mulletman]

If Kane doesn't score a single more points this season and then just finish out his career in a similar way as Ray Whitney did from 33 years old and onwards, Kane will end his career with 581 goals, 1012 assists and 1593 points. That would mean that Kane finishes his career 12th all time in points with 3 more points than the late great Phil Esposito.

 

[Bread4Life]

I am still not sold on Kane>Malkin, I think Malkin will be Kane's ceiling based on the strength of Malkin's peak (Malkin's 11/12 is at least as good as Kane's 15/16, and Malkin's 07/08 and 08/09 were almost as good as 11/12, while Kane lacks another season close to 15/16; plus, Malkin's Conn Smythe run was better than Kane's).

In terms of all-time ranking, Malkin is correctly ranked next to Forsberg, who is another super-talanted player plagued by injuries, and both of them slot somewhere around 40-50 all-time. So that's Kane's all-time ceiling.

Ahahah no way.

Did u ever see peak Malkin? Kane never can do that.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Top-20 winger for sure, definitely not a top-20 player, maybe a top-20 forward.

 

[Bread4Life]

Love him so much. His duo with Panarin is one of the best thing i watched in NHL. Magic player, so fun to watch

 

[Mac2Rants]

Well, Sakic could be a better road map because he never really had a decline except his last year, and won cups a lot earlier than Yzerman.

Sorry for picking this one thing out, but he didnt't really decline, he suffered a herniated disc, and never played again


on Kane, i think he can get to 1400 pts if healthy, and full 82 game seasons if he can reamin healthy alone he should be able to hit that, he could be just under 1100 end of this season. Ill say one more 100+pt season than a couple around ppg, and after that around 50-60ish ponits. so i think 1400 is very do able and ill just take a personal guess of around 1550 pts.