Post-Game Talk: Parental guidance advised

[TheNumber4]

Its not an either or relationship. Carrick did nothing here, and didn't elevate to do something even in playoffs. Didn't seem like he even wanted to be here. Not much of a player in anycase. Make you wonder how some guys even get into the NHL. Theres nobody here, not one fan, that said lets bring Sam Carrick back. hehe

For a $1M that’s the player you get though.

 

[Soundwave]

Nope.

At least, not with this core

You could win it easily with this core.

With these management groups though? Nope. Zero f***s given about goaltending which needs to be a bedrock part of a team for an 82 game marathon, but this org thinks they should be gifted wrapped a division because they won a draft lottery in 2015 and basically on that basis alone.

 

[Chet Manley]

We lost to the f***ing ducks!

Just sad. It makes no sense that guys that rarely score or dominate think they can take a night off against weaker teams too. It's their time to shine in the o-zone lol.

 

[Drivesaitl]

For a $1M that’s the player you get though.

Not really. We got Kapanen for instance, same sticker price. He actually does something and can play up or down. The whole time we had Carrick I'm wondering how this guy even got into the league. Whatever it was he didn't bring it here or in NY.

 

[Spawn]

Meh. Couple poor games coming out of the Christmas break isn't uncommon and isn't the end of the world.

 

[Dan Kelly]

This team sucks after any time off.

This team is allergic to:

- Afternoon games
- Amazon Prime
- HNIC
**- former Oilers putting up all time performances**
- Minnesota Wild
- extended breaks

The highlighted one drives me absolutely bonkers! Happens all the time and Foegele is an example of the latest one to do it against us....I think he had 1 goal and 2 assists in the OT loss to the LA Kings?

 

[Dieseloil]

Bouch a coastin, Nurse still thinkin it’s Christmas, givin it away and Pickard thinking he’s Skinner. Poor poor effort as a group too.

 

[The Panther]

These were 2 interesting games.

I didn't really mind the half-assed effort and blown lead in the L.A. game because (a) old team still finding legs after Christmas turkey, (b) L.A. almost never loses at home, and (c) the Oil got a tie and a point, so at least it wasn't a wasted effort.

But this Anaheim game was pathetic. This is a game that was laid out on the dinner table for Edmonton and gift-wrapped. All they had to do was show up and play competent hockey for three periods. Well, they showed up, but they couldn't manage the second part.

I see "Bad Nurse" is officially back now. He scored one for Anaheim on a mid-air deflection (waving his stick at that because... why?) and he 100% caused the tying goal against after not one but two failed zone clearances on the same sequence. Derek Ryan needs to just retire because Knoblach will keep playing him no matter how old and slow he gets. And what can be said, at this point, in defence of Adam Henrique? One game after being on the ice for every L.A. goal against, you'd think he'd be fired up and do something against his former team, but, just like in every game this season, he phoned it in. Pickard was only adequate, and really needed to stop that first one, which had a scent.

At least McDavid and Drai were flying in this one and got a couple points each.

 

[MessierII]

Gonna disagree here. Minutes are being spread except if your Perry or J Skinner or Ryan and terrible on ice. These players with respect to GA have been basically unusable. They can't skate well enough to cover. When caught in ownzone they just stay caught.

That’s not really true at least not entirely. With respect to the 3 you specify here only Jeff Skinner has been a goals against disaster. Perry has been on for 12 goals for 5 on 5 13 against. More or less a break even player and expanded to all situation he’s at 21 goals for 16 against. Perry has been solid. You can argue we could use a different type of player there but in terms of Perry’s actual performance he’s been good.

Even Ryan is at 7 goals for 11 against 5 on 5. That’s not terrible but pretty clear the guy is a complete offensive black hole at this stage. He’s more or less a face off and PK specialist at this point.

Jeff Skinner has just been a mess but I don’t what we’re doing with him. Maybe there was a complete disconnect between the management group and coaching on this one but you can’t put a one dimensional scorer in a checking role and expect success. Jeff skinner isn’t some young guy who’s going to grow into something he is what he is. He’s the most proven natural goal scorer we have ever brought in to compliment Connor and Leon and for whatever reason we aren’t giving him a serious look there even when others are struggling.

 

[The Panther]

Oh, one more thing: Have you noticed every time the Oil play Anaheim, Ryan Strome looks like Mario Lemieux? Sure glad Chiarelli traded him for Ryan Spooner.

After that epic trade by the Oilers' genius (in his own mind) G.M., Spooner went on to score a grand total of 7 NHL points, and has been out of the League for almost six years. Meanwhile, Strome has scored almost 300 NHL points for the Rangers and Anaheim.

 

[foshizzle]

We need energy players in our bottom 6 like Kostin. Bring in a couple. Dump the old and slow.

Knob doesn’t like those types of players.

Anyone going to say this D core is top 10 anymore? LOL

Also, get rid of Pickard and call up Rodrigue.
Trade Jeff Skinner and call up Matt Savoie

Yes- they still are. Do you overreact to everything?

 

[The Panther]

The most recent time our team won the Division in the regular season.... April 1987... almost 38 years ago:


Should be coming again soon, in about another 38 years...

 

[Soundwave]

Because McDavid gets the best wingers and Draisaitl gets the leftovers that can’t finish worth shit. And other than Hyman, which players have been scoring with McDavid this year? It’s not like McDavid has been a 5x5 wizard this year even with the best two wingers. Give Hyman to Draisaitl and saddle McDavid with junk and Draisaitl has a double digits point lead on him.

Hyman plays with McDavid because McDavid inflates his goal totals massively. With Leon, Hyman maybe scores 35 last year, not 50+. Hyman benefits massively from McDavid's ability to back defenses off on the rush and suck them in towards him when he is in the zone leaving Hyman wide open.

RNH sucks and has been sucking for a bit, this is the second season he's now on pace for sub-20 goals while getting the best deployment possible in hockey (tied to McDavid at 5 on 5 and full PP sessions). Even McDavid may not be able to get him to hit 20, but Knob won't let the love affair with this player go. Skinner should have been given a lengthy look here, he would probably have anywhere from 8-10 goals by now if he was given some of RNH's minutes.

If McDavid and Draisaitl have a valid criticism towards them versus say Crosby and Malkin, Crosby and especially Malkin worked better with a wider variety of wingers. Malkin led the Penguins to their first Cup winning the Conn Smythe with mediocre wingers like Max Talbot and the team got critical goals from Talbot. Later on he would be able to team up with players like Rust and still get great production, these aren't star players.

Leon hasn't really been able to find long lasting chemistry with anyone. Foegele is on pace to score more in LA than he did here with Leon, Arvidsson and Skinner both haven't clicked with him yet, Podkolzin is so-so in terms of net results, Evander Kane no longer really works with Leon and is largely now a bottom 6 player because of that. Didn't look like anything special with Holloway. Yamamoto + RNH were a good line for a stretch and then some how completely forgot how to play with each other.

We don't have money sitting around to bring in a Rantanen or Marner for him to play with, at this point what it is going to take to have some reliable offence at 5 on 5 from that 2nd line? Like who is the player we have to bring in and how do we afford that?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Hyman plays with McDavid because McDavid inflates his goal totals massively. With Leon, Hyman maybe scores 35 last year, not 50+. Hyman benefits massively from McDavid's ability to back defenses off on the rush and suck them in towards him when he is in the zone leaving Hyman wide open.

RNH sucks and has been sucking for a bit, this is the second season he's now on pace for sub-20 goals while getting the best deployment possible in hockey (tied to McDavid at 5 on 5 and full PP sessions). Even McDavid may not be able to get him to hit 20, but Knob won't let the love affair with this player go. Skinner should have been given a lengthy look here, he would probably have anywhere from 8-10 goals by now if he was given some of RNH's minutes.

If McDavid and Draisaitl have a valid criticism towards them versus say Crosby and Malkin, Crosby and especially Malkin worked better with a wider variety of wingers. Malkin led the Penguins to their first Cup winning the Conn Smythe with mediocre wingers like Max Talbot and the team got critical goals from Talbot. Later on he would be able to team up with players like Rust and still get great production, these aren't star players.

Leon hasn't really been able to find long lasting chemistry with anyone. Foegele is on pace to score more in LA than he did here with Leon, Arvidsson and Skinner both haven't clicked with him yet, Podkolzin is so-so in terms of net results, Evander Kane no longer really works with Leon and is largely now a bottom 6 player because of that. Didn't look like anything special with Holloway. Yamamoto + RNH were a good line for a stretch and then some how completely forgot how to play with each other.

We don't have money sitting around to bring in a Rantanen or Marner for him to play with, at this point what it is going to take to have some reliable offence at 5 on 5 from that 2nd line? Like who is the player we have to bring in and how do we afford that?

we could actually grab some middle 6 wingers who aren’t on the decline or often injured. Skinner took a massive step back this year and was rightfully bought out. He took another massive step back.
Arvidssons shot has gone to shit because of his constant injuries.

This team is obsessed with guys who USED to be good.

it’s just insane that we spent $11.15 mill on Arvidsson, Skinner, Henrique, Perry and the only one who is close to their contract value is Perry, and that’s cause he is the closest to league minimum.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Cause I was curious I wanted to see how much our 5v5 scoring has dropped
2023/2024 forwards ranked by pts/60

McDavid 3.5
Draisaitl 2.6
Hyman 2.53
Foegele 2.19
Henrique 1.93
Nuge 1.66
Kane 1.62
McLeod 1.6
Perry 1.49
Holloway 1.14
Janmark 1.02
Brown 0.96

This year
McDavid 2.79
Draisaitl 2.73
Brown 1.99
Hyman 1.67
Podkolzin 1.64
Janmark 1.62
Kapanen 1.53
Arvidsson 1.5
Skinner 1.44
Perry 1.01
Henrique 0.98
Nuge 0.89

top line has taken a massive hit. Henrique as well.

XGF wise only Brown of our top 6 is above 50%, last year the only regular who was below 50% was Henrique.

Actually in my look Henrique was probably a bad return.
Man could you imagine how this roster could look if we used the money from Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique, Perry better?

 

[Soundwave]

we could actually grab some middle 6 wingers who aren’t on the decline or often injured. Skinner took a massive step back this year and was rightfully bought out. He took another massive step back.
Arvidssons shot has gone to shit because of his constant injuries.

This team is obsessed with guys who USED to be good.

it’s just insane that we spent $11.15 mill on Arvidsson, Skinner, Henrique, Perry and the only one who is close to their contract value is Perry, and that’s cause he is the closest to league minimum.

Skinner scored at a 24 goal rate a year ago, Arvidsson's goal rate was a 27 goal pace last year too.

The logic was "well if they score that much without a McDavid/Draisaitl, surely they'll score at least that if not more here!".

The thing is doesn't work out that way here all the time, in this sense I think Crosby/Malkin may just be superior.

The Penguins won a Cup in 2009 with minimal winger depth, even in the last two Cups with Kessel, Kessel often times played on his own line (and was able to drive offense from it) apart from Crosby on his own line and then Malkin on his own line too.

 

[Fishy McScales]

"Brown just couldn't score" could end up on a tombstone. just saying. f*** I can't stand him.

Maybe you should try to take a step back from this blind hatred and ask yourself what it is you want from this player and how you think he delivers on that based on his role and deployment?

He has 8 points in the last 8 games and is a valuable penalty killer.

Your single-minded tirades over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on certain subjects are kind of draining for the rest of us to read, you know.

I don’t have you on ignore because I actually find you make a lot of good points too, but I've certainly learned to scroll past most of the stuff you put out.

Often you can really be like that uncle who pops a vein every time some sore subject from 1973 or something comes up.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Podz is virtually a pylon out there. Watch the first period. Drai fed him with such a perfect pass through traffic the Anaheim crowd was gasping. Pods doesn't even have his blade on ice even though he's parked in the slot and the puck bounces harmly off his skates. This is who Drai has the task of getting scoring from. lol.

Pods has zero hands. Sure he works on the line. Its a lot of constant frustration as he whiffs on pucks or isn't even ready.

But yeah I get it. Blame Drai because a fire hydrant ain't scoring.


No answer to the Flying V or whatever that was. heh. I still can't get my head around the Anaheim Ducks even having an NHL team. Looks like people in Anaheim can't either. They think it must be a Disney remake.

Of all the people to complain about, a cap friendly cheap pick up podkolzin barely making enough to pay for rent is who we have to complain about. For a million bucks, I guess he should be outscoring the likes of Pavel Bure and mogilny because podkolzin's making more.

 

[tardigrade81]

Seems crazy to me that any professional hockey team that is a Stanley cup caliber type team has to struggle after any time off. Starting the season two years in a row , and now after a week off. Very frustrating how it takes a handful of games to get this team going. No idea why that happens.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

That loss was 100% deserved. The most pathetic performance of the year. And Bouchard with another absolutely boneheaded play right at the end to serve the other team the puck in his own zone with the goalie pulled. Just incredible.

He made these plays all of last year and they just didn't turn out as bad, but the blueprint was there.

Lord help us if we have to pay him 8 plus.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

He stopped shooting. He didn’t even attempt a shot against LA

I thought Mcdavid was trying to play "hero ball" dancing around all night, over stick handling, constant spins and 360s, not shooting etc.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

They absolutely need to move both goalies down a notch. Skinner is a fine 1B. They need someone better to push him back to 1B. If he can steal the spot back, great

Pickard could be a backup on a team with a top 5 goalie or some shit, idk. He wasn't the reason they lost today but they likely win both these turd games with a real tandem.

Can Skinner actually be an effective 1B?

I say this because I feel like he only plays well when he gets in a consistent grove of games? Maybe I'm wrong????

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

McDrai would have to out produce their entire roster cause we currently have nothing. Our pp isn’t even good this year. Even if we got past them that would be it for us.

Maybe it’s hyperbole but we are not at the level we were last year and with all the added old bad players that’s just not good.

Time for Bowman to fix Jackson’s off season mess ups.

Nuge, Hyman, Arvidsson, Kane. All our wingers for Mcdrai are old and regressing. (as expected)

The window becomes smaller and smaller each year that passes.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

This group has been comfortable for years whether they deserve to be or not. That just isn’t going to change. They’ve been shooken up many times in many different ways, but they still find ways to do this. It’s engrained.

The culture of the group is that they’ll only play well or to near max effort when they absolutely have to. They decided that after a great December and a game yesterday that a half cocked effort was all that was needed against a team like the Ducks, and they got the result they earned.

The game was there to just be won if we just gave 20 mins of effort in the first. Both teams were straight legged and half assed to start the game and I think at some point the Ducks realized that they can win if they were the first team to dial the effort level up past 1/10 and they did.

When Tampa won they added Goodrow and Coleman. Tampa played like Edmonton plays now (a comfortable team) until the sweep woke them up.

We could 100 percent use Goodrow and Coleman type players. At least Evander Kane is somewhat in this category.

 

[iCanada]

0-2 since my second son was born. I don't think he's an Oilers fan...

Looks like you need to have a third...