OT: Parabola Memorial B.C. Lions Thread IV

[MS]

The point is that the NFL almost never has a QB go through college, the NFL draft process, go undrafted, and then not even catch on a practice squad somewhere.. and then go to be a difference-maker in the league. Whatever weird counterpoint you are trying to make about the NFL not scouting players in countries around the world is completely meaningless and quite obviously has no application to the player we are talking about.

I would say that this isn't as much that it *can't* happen as that the system and the way the NFL works makes it very difficult to happen.

There are basically 3 types of NFL QB : 1) The Established Stars, 2) The Hot-Shot First Round Pick, and 3) The Trusted Journeyman (who used to be (1) or (2)).

Teams without an Established Star will always be going with one of the other two options. It is exceedingly difficult for an outsider to 'break the ranks' to get the playing time to establish themselves, and usually requires a unique set of circumstances to happen.

 

[m9]

I would say that this isn't as much that it *can't* happen as that the system and the way the NFL works makes it very difficult to happen.

There are basically 3 types of NFL QB : 1) The Established Stars, 2) The Hot-Shot First Round Pick, and 3) The Trusted Journeyman (who used to be (1) or (2)).

Teams without an Established Star will always be going with one of the other two options. It is exceedingly difficult for an outsider to 'break the ranks' to get the playing time to establish themselves, and usually requires a unique set of circumstances to happen.

It is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that the league won't always give guys a chance if they flame out of the draft process, for sure. That being said, people up here drastically overrate the talent of the QBs in the CFL in general and how they would transition to the NFL. Every few years there is a guy hyped up as being able to make it in the NFL and even the ones that get a shot to make a roster don't usually amount to much. It's just a bit different game with tighter windows and extremely smart schemes and guys get exposed. Plus of course, they'll have a bit shorter leash since teams aren't really invested in those guys.

But the one spot you skipped over was that every few years you see a mid to late round pick pan out and become a long-term NFL starter. Brady, Dak, Wilson, Carr, Cousins and Hurts are all guys considered top-20 QBs in the league right now who were drafted outside of the first round.

.. and that kind of just adds to my point. These QBs in college have been scouted to death. For a guy to not be a blue-chip top pick is one thing, but for a guy to go completely undrafted and not get a sniff probably means he's never going to be an NFL starter. That's where Rourke is right now.

 

[StreetHawk]

I would say that this isn't as much that it *can't* happen as that the system and the way the NFL works makes it very difficult to happen.

There are basically 3 types of NFL QB : 1) The Established Stars, 2) The Hot-Shot First Round Pick, and 3) The Trusted Journeyman (who used to be (1) or (2)).

Teams without an Established Star will always be going with one of the other two options. It is exceedingly difficult for an outsider to 'break the ranks' to get the playing time to establish themselves, and usually requires a unique set of circumstances to happen.

That’s why for QBs they need to remain in college and ensure that they are no worse than a 2nd round pick. The later you go the fewer opportunities that you get.

Teams will put day 2 drafted QBs on the 53 man roster. Anyone after that most likely on the PS with a veteran backup on the main roster.

You have to ball out in practice to get noticed. Very difficult to do. Romo was undrafted and became a starter. Cousins was a 4th rounder but the starter RG3 got hurt and that opened up a spot.

Expectations of WBs today is to step right in and play. Can’t take 3 years to figure it out. Especially if you are not a top 10 drafted guy. Rourke would have to kill it in practice and pre season games to even get the backup role to an established starter.

But with money, around $200k cad to be on the PS. What do cfl starters make these days?

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Please read what I said more carefully. I'm not talking about the NFL draft process missing on a draft pick and picking someone bad - obviously that happens all the time. I'm talking about a guy going through the draft process, going undrafted, not catching on anywhere in the league and then coming back and being a difference-maker as a QB in the NFL. There's a reason they made a movie about Kurt Warner - it just doesn't happen very often. It would be an awesome story to have that guy be Rourke and to get a Canadian starting NFL QB to root for but despite his start here he would be a massive outlier if he could go to the NFL and become a long-term starter for a team.

Every undrafted free agent has a hard time making the team. My point is that NFL scouts miss on undrafted free agents. They wanted Warren Moon to be a reciever or cornerback, they didn't care he had all the intangibles to play QB.

It is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that the league won't always give guys a chance if they flame out of the draft process, for sure. That being said, people up here drastically overrate the talent of the QBs in the CFL in general and how they would transition to the NFL. Every few years there is a guy hyped up as being able to make it in the NFL and even the ones that get a shot to make a roster don't usually amount to much. It's just a bit different game with tighter windows and extremely smart schemes and guys get exposed. Plus of course, they'll have a bit shorter leash since teams aren't really invested in those guys.

But the one spot you skipped over was that every few years you see a mid to late round pick pan out and become a long-term NFL starter. Brady, Dak, Wilson, Carr, Cousins and Hurts are all guys considered top-20 QBs in the league right now who were drafted outside of the first round.

.. and that kind of just adds to my point. These QBs in college have been scouted to death. For a guy to not be a blue-chip top pick is one thing, but for a guy to go completely undrafted and not get a sniff probably means he's never going to be an NFL starter. That's where Rourke is right now.

If anything people up here underate the talent.

Rourke has all the intangibles you want for a QB in any league.

 

[m9]

Every undrafted free agent has a hard time making the team. My point is that NFL scouts miss on undrafted free agents. They wanted Warren Moon to be a reciever or cornerback, they didn't care he had all the intangibles to play QB.



If anything people up here underate the talent.

Rourke has all the intangibles you want for a QB in any league.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Warren Moon played in the CFL 40 years ago and now he's the comparable for why Nathan Rourke will make it. Nobody is saying Rourke has no chance - I'm saying would be a massive outlier to make it and be a difference-maker at QB in the NFL. The fact you need to bring up a QB from 40 years ago proves the point.

Yes every 40 years you'll probably get a guy from the CFL to make it big in the NFL. Every 40 years you'll get a Kurt Warner story. For every Warren Moon there are 10 Henry Burris/Casey Printers/Bo Levi Mitchell guys who get hyped as the next "guy to jump to the NFL". Then you'll get a few guys who stick around the NFL a bit like Jeff Garcia & Doug Flutie.

Rourke has looked great so far. I hope he's the next guy to pull it off. But, the odds are what they are. Ignore them if you want.

 

[Hit the post]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Warren Moon played in the CFL 40 years ago and now he's the comparable for why Nathan Rourke will make it. Nobody is saying Rourke has no chance - I'm saying would be a massive outlier to make it and be a difference-maker at QB in the NFL. The fact you need to bring up a QB from 40 years ago proves the point.

Yes every 40 years you'll probably get a guy from the CFL to make it big in the NFL. Every 40 years you'll get a Kurt Warner story. For every Warren Moon there are 10 Henry Burris/Casey Printers/Bo Levi Mitchell guys who get hyped as the next "guy to jump to the NFL". Then you'll get a few guys who stick around the NFL a bit like Jeff Garcia & Doug Flutie.

Rourke has looked great so far. I hope he's the next guy to pull it off. But, the odds are what they are. Ignore them if you want.

Warren Moon was also the MVP in the Rose Bowl game. He did have some real college football 'cred'. Kurt Warner I think only had ONE full season as a QB starter in college.

 

[StreetHawk]

Warren Moon was also the MVP in the Rose Bowl game. He did have some real college football 'cred'. Kurt Warner I think only had ONE full season as a QB starter in college.

Rourke was a 3 year starter at Ohio in the MAC. Division I school though not at the level of the Power 5 conferences. Didn’t get a sniff from the nfl.

Will he get a shot if he continues his current play? Yes. He signed for 3 years in 2021 so 2023 would be his final year of his contract. Is he eligible to sign in 2023 with an nfl team or does he have to play out his contract for BC? Can’t recall the cfl/nfl signing rules. I recall something about option year guys being eligible to sign when they entered their option year. So unclear where rourke stands. He is 24. Birthday in May.

Will Levis is a QB with Kentucky and he’s ranked as a possible first round QB and he’s only a year younger than Rourke.

But I agree with M9 the odds are not with rourke to turn into a starting nfl QB. He will get his shot though. Just needs to be very selective with the team and coaching staff he chooses. Only a selective fee will give him a wait shot of being on the 53 man roster.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Montreal playing the undefeated Bombers well. Tied at 10 near the end of the third.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Epic end to regulation time. Bombers' kicker shanks a 30 yard field goal attempt that would have given the Bombers the win. Tie game. Overtime.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Liegghio misses another routine field goal in OT. Alouettes win.

 

[im gangster]

Liegghio misses another routine field goal in OT. Alouettes win.

f*** Winnipeg

 

[Petey O]

Liegghio misses another routine field goal in OT. Alouettes win.

LOL. Would have liked to have been the team to ruin their perfect record, but Montreal is a good close second. Incredible.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

LOL. Would have liked to have been the team to ruin their perfect record, but Montreal is a good close second. Incredible.

It was amazing.

The game was tied. Time left in the game for only one play. Liegghio needs to make a 30 yard chip shot for the win but he shanks it to the left. All the Als player had to do was run the ball out of the end zone to prevent giving a point to the Bombers, and he made it out.

First OT possession, Als have the ball first but the Bombers stop them with third and long remaining. Als kick the field goal and take the lead.

Bombers turn. Als stop them. Now, I'm thinking, can Liegghio do this again? I bet he can. And he does! Als win,

I laughed so hard that I think the entire neighborhood heard me.

 

[Get North]

Calgary and Sask don't look that dangerous compared to Winnipeg. I would slot BC right between WPG and CGY/SSK.

Anything can happen, but seems like either WPG or BC takes the Grey Cup this year. Feels like a crapshoot calling the CFL, but I think the best players have been established in the first half and will continue until November.

 

[CalderSchmalder]

I'm mostly a bandwagon Lions fan but it looks like the game today should be a good one!

I've heard about Rourke being fantastic and this Lucky Whitehead really seems like quite the character. Are there any other players people would point to as being integral to this current team's success?

 

[Get North]

I'm mostly a bandwagon Lions fan but it looks like the game today should be a good one!

I've heard about Rourke being fantastic and this Lucky Whitehead really seems like quite the character. Are there any other players people would point to as being integral to this current team's success?

The entire receiving core is led by young, quick athletes like Hatcher, Cottoy and Rhymes. I guess we can call Burnham and Whitehead the best because of their resume, but those other 3 young guys are showing they can do more than just be 3-5 receivers.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I am so looking forward to this game. I am just pumped.

If anyone needs a stream, message me.

 

[CalderSchmalder]

Tough game so far

 

[The Nemesis]

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Uh-oh.

That was a hideously bad interception thrown by Rourke,

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Uh-oh.

That was a hideously bad interception thrown by Rourke,

Looked worse than it was.

He thought cottoy was continuing the crossing route while cottoy pulled up.

It's still early. This is more about the lions making mistakes than the stamps doing anything impressive. Good end to the half and I like the lions chances.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Oh that pass was beautiful,

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Now we're cooking with gas.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

That roughing the QB penalty was such BS. It makes me want to abandon this f***ing league.

 

[im gangster]

That roughing the QB penalty was such BS. It makes me want to abandon this f***ing league.

Well, ya presumably stuck around as a Canucks fan after the head of referees gave his son a Cup ring at our expense, so I assume this too shall pass.