Post-Game Talk: Panthers 5 - Jets 0

[Royale With Cheese]

I thought that hip check by Pionk was legit last night and I stand by it today, don't care what talking heads on SN had to say about time of the game. The game ends at the final buzzer

If you watch the replay you can see the intent was a hip check but the point of contact was actually the Panther player's upper leg. I don't think it was intentional, but Neal missed. Seems weird it wasn't a penalty but yet it's a $5,000 fine.

 

[bustamente]

If you watch the replay you can see the intent was a hip check but the point of contact was actually the Panther player's upper leg. I don't think it was intentional, but Neal missed. Seems weird it wasn't a penalty but yet it's a $5,000 fine.

Does point of impact really matter, Pionk didn't knee or trip him and used his hip, well that's how I interpret the hit.

 

[DRW204]

That may be true - but riddle me this. Why is it that we look to insert Heinola for "his opportunity" at a time when the Jets are playing a physical direct, hard fore-checking team that is admittedly our kryptonite, AND, usually at a point in time where the team has lost it`s confidence /commitment to sound hockey and has started to struggle?

How about Instead of talking in riddles and innuendo just ask a question directly or properly.

Why does heinola get brought up? Because prospect thumpers on here think he along with others Jets prospects are the hottest shit on the team. If you don't think so, read some of the pre season threads.

If you think 3rd pair heinola helps win any of the games that the Jets have lost, which is 3/18, id like to see your proof or how you come to the conclusion of that.

If that's not the essence of your post then my bad.

 

[LowLefty]

Does point of impact really matter, Pionk didn't knee or trip him and used his hip, well that's how I interpret the hit.

Yes, point of contact matters -
If you take a guy out at the Knees it's a clip - and those types of hits can end a players career.
Not that any hit couldn't do the same but high and low hits are the ones that can potentially cause a lot of damage

 

[bustamente]

Yes, point of contact matters -
If you take a guy out at the Knees it's a clip - and those types of hits can end a players career.
Not that any hit couldn't do the same but high and low hits are the ones that can potentially cause a lot of damage

I guess I saw the hit a little different, initial hit mid thigh finishing a little lower down close to the knee. I don't think initial contact was the knee. Maybe I need glasses

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Definitely not a good game but it doesn't take anything away from the record breaking start to the season. We are 15-3 and no one would have thought that. Jets will return the favor at home on Tuesday.

Q: If we got here by going 5-1, 5-1, 5-1 would anyone complain?
A: Not as long as we start the next 6 game set with a win.

I'll save my opinion until I see the response on tuesday
Maybe its just hard to play hockey in Florida lol Too many golf courses and beaches between the rink and the hotel ?

And every golf course and beach has a bar.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree. If Stanley is out for an extended time then give him a run of games. Our third pairing has had trouble moving the puck lately and imo I think Miller needs a partner who does most of the heavy load in that regard. We need to see if that element of Ville's game can translate.

We also need DeMelo to get his game on track. I think JoMo is trying to do too much as a result and it's impacting his performance as well.

The corollary of the player having a career year in the last year of his contract is the player having a bad year, or at least a bad start the season after signing a big contract. DeMelo's might not be that big compared to some others but it is big compared to any previous contract of his. Value 19.6 mil. Previous career earnings 16.5 mil.

I expect him to rebound soon.

 

[jungles]

Either make hip checks illegal or don't fine someone for a perfectly executed one. Yeesh.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That may be true - but riddle me this. Why is it that we look to insert Heinola for "his opportunity" at a time when the Jets are playing a physical direct, hard fore-checking team that is admittedly our kryptonite, AND, usually at a point in time where the team has lost it`s confidence /commitment to sound hockey and has started to struggle?

He's not even quite ready yet, is he? He should go down for conditioning first.

Sometime soon, not the Fla game, he needs to get his shot.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If you watch the replay you can see the intent was a hip check but the point of contact was actually the Panther player's upper leg. I don't think it was intentional, but Neal missed. Seems weird it wasn't a penalty but yet it's a $5,000 fine.

I guess I don't know the rule well enough. I don't see a problem with the point of contact being the upper leg. Knee is a different story, whether knee on knee or not.

 

[LowLefty]

Either make hip checks illegal or don't fine someone for a perfectly executed one. Yeesh.

I don't like hip checks - and you rarely see them in the game anymore.
They are hard to time and usually leave you way out of position if you miss.
As for what is legal or not, it's not the hip check that they are calling out - it's a low hit (clip) that is the issue.
Hip checks do not have to be that low - is certainly wasn't perfectly executed (IMO)

 

[Buffdog]

In one of the highlights packs I watched, there's one Jets goal replayed from the other end of the rink and you can clearly see 55 stops skating at centre ice and just glides behind the puck carrier.


Better a fine he won't even notice than a suspension which we'll all notice on the ice.

I'd have to se the replay you're referring to, but the puck carrier is normally not the backchecker's responsibility

 

[voyageur]

The corollary of the player having a career year in the last year of his contract is the player having a bad year, or at least a bad start the season after signing a big contract. DeMelo's might not be that big compared to some others but it is big compared to any previous contract of his. Value 19.6 mil. Previous career earnings 16.5 mil.

I expect him to rebound soon.

There's probably good analytics with the top line
and the Morrissey-De Melo pairing as far as the Rangers game where they were sharp. Defensemen who can score are a luxury. Key to success, but De Melo can still defend and those hard PK minutes do take their toll. His role is always underrated.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Does point of impact really matter, Pionk didn't knee or trip him and used his hip, well that's how I interpret the hit.

Not disagreeing with you, I don’t actually know the rule. Im just assuming that point of contact was the problem. I was surprised when I saw the fine.

 

[JetsFan815]

De Melo pacing for 14 points this year. Luckily Colin Miller is more in line with De Melo's production last year. And Pionk is having a career year.

This is the Jets first road trip this year against teams that look like playoff teams. No offense to Edmonton or Calgary. But the home teams on this trip all brought something that the Jets haven't really seen yet. Big, physical, drive to the net hockey.

Points or lack thereof is the last thing I am concerned about with DeMelo... he doesn't look like himself at all. Some of it is having to play behind that top line having to go against other top lines they can't handle like this florida game but is not all of it.

 

[voyageur]

Points or lack thereof is the last thing I am concerned about with DeMelo... he doesn't look like himself at all. Some of it is having to play behind that top line having to go against other top lines they can't handle like this florida game but is not all of it.

I'm interested in your opinion if you can elaborate. People will remember Vilardi's play against the Rangers but De Melo's back door pass won that game.

I thought he was strong defensively against Dallas.

He seems less aggressive this year, but Morrissey is being green lighted to break up a lot of first passes to deny zone exits, so that may be a coaching strategy, from my perspective.

 

[Bob E]

Names line is in tough to win board and puck battles against a team with a bigger d core like Tampa. Might have to move some guys around against a more physical opponent.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The Jets weren't going to continue their 15-1 pace and finish the year 76 - 6. We weren't as great as our record start. Good, steady play across the lineup with outstanding goaltending and the right bounces helped get us there. By the same token, we are not as horribad as our Florida 2 game road swing, getting out scored 9 - 1. Overall, the team's play and great performance has been a pleasant surprise for me this year. Tuesday is a bit of a test - not so much whether they win or lose but can they get back to their A game again after two embarrassing losses.

 

[ERYX]

Pomo is a fraud hehehe
I thought he wanted the Jets to win.

Lossess happens, but i always don’t like our team getting shutout.

Bounce back Jets..!!!

Go Jets Gi

Pomo wants Jets to win the Cup, not necessarily a regular season game in November. Laying a serious stomping on the Jets this early in the season could serve to teach valuable lessons and keep the Jets hungry, so from that perspective PoMo is doing what he can to help Jets get to the Cup.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

One reason the forum is less active is smug pricks who think they're better fans than others.

Actually most of the smug pricks are gone and were the reason so many spent time here.

Now we're left with the riff raff who drove them away and either follow them on social media or pay $5 a week to read their blog.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Pomo wants Jets to win the Cup, not necessarily a regular season game in November. Laying a serious stomping on the Jets this early in the season could serve to teach valuable lessons and keep the Jets hungry, so from that perspective PoMo is doing what he can to help Jets get to the Cup.

Up until last game the Jets were undefeated against the Maurice led Panther's.

Away (Loss) - 2024/11/16 Winnipeg Jets 0 - Florida Panthers 5
Away (Win) - 2023/11/24 Winnipeg Jets 3 - Florida Panthers 0
Home (Win) - 2023/10/14 Winnipeg Jets 6 - Florida Panthers 4
Away (Win) - 2023/03/11 Winnipeg Jets 5 - Florida Panthers 4 (OT)
Home (Win) - 2022/12/06 Winnipeg Jets 5 - Florida Panthers 2

 

[voyageur]

Actually most of the smug pricks are gone and were the reason so many spent time here.

Now we're left with the riff raff who drove them away and either follow them on social media or pay $5 a week to read their blog.

I think advanced stats is the most polarizing part of this board. Some people really believe in them, and want to talk about them. But when a team talks about analytics, I always get the sense that they are not talking about xGoals in any way, that they are tracking advanced stats that aren't publicly available, because they would have some proprietary value for the team.

@Whileee is one of the more prominent posters who has taken a back seat since the arguments broke out, and I hope he still comes around, because he has interesting perspectives, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

All three on the panel said it was an unnecessary hit at that point of the game and that Pionk had an "intent" on that hit. Okay, so what?
A clean hit is never unnecessary at any point in a game. Was Pionk frustrated and maybe put a little extra into that hit? Probably, but again, so what? The player was eligible to be hit, the hit was not illegal and there's plenty of times where a player puts a little extra into a straight up hit in open ice or along the boards when they are losing at the end of a game.

The visceral impact of the hit should have no bearing on whether it was needed or not.

Pionk fined maximum for clipping in Jets game | NHL.com

Defenseman penalized $5,000 for actions against Panthers forward Boqvist

www.nhl.com

I find it strange that department of player safety always releases a vdeio explanation whenever a suspension occurs, but never do this when it's a fine.

It might help fans better understand decisions if a video explanation was always done, including when NO fine or suspension is given.

 

[Jets 31]

Actually most of the smug pricks are gone and were the reason so many spent time here.

Now we're left with the riff raff who drove them away and either follow them on social media or pay $5 a week to read their blog.

I don't know if i'm one of the Riff Raff but i have a song for that.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

If Heinola when healthy can't break into this lineup with a guy the Jets didn't play in the playoffs a cast off free agent and a guy who is tall and still is a work in progress then it might be time for a change of scenery. I'm a big fan of his but how much longer can you wait to get in the lineup and stay healthy.

Heinola's competition isn't Miller. It's been brought up several times over the years that Heinola doesn't play the right side & was never groomed to do so on the Moose.

It's simply him vs Stanley or Fleury.