Confirmed with Link: Panarin taking leave of absence from NYR (Warning in First Post)

[Hunter Gathers]

Here is a citation.

Are you sure you know what a citation is?

Kot provided one (a link to an interview from an apparently reliable source that isn't NY Post level).

 

[Hunter Gathers]

1.Are you sure that the story is originally sourced in Russian media?
2.Do you claim the NHL & NYR did not release any statement in this case?

The Rangers came down hard and called out the accusations for what they are. They immediately saw that this was bullshit.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah, but if it was not anti-Putin Panarin, but some American sport star, who supported Trump, he would have been already lynched...

You're trolling at this point. And also, considering the country and politician involved there SHOULD be more skepticism.

 

[nyr2k2]

As I said yesterday, the Nazarov's story wasn't 100% correct, but 30% of truth is the least you can tell. There were girls, police and probably money.

You know, when I posted the full interview with Nazarov the other day, I said I could actually see this being somewhat true, as it all sounded like a plausible scenario involving young athletes and a corrupt police element. At the same time, the way Nazarov and the interviewer were selling it, it sounded so, so much like nothing but a politically-motivated hatchet job. And then to hear Anisin talk about how it was a night at the bar and there were girls with drugs and all that, again some level of truth to the initial accusation seemed possible.

With that said--it's always dangerous, going down that road of, "It seems plausible, so maybe I should believe it!" I remember with the DeAngelo puck-stealing, it was like, sure, that sounds like something that could happen, a joke that got out of hand, maybe it's true! And in my head that's where I was with it, until basically everyone involved shot it down. So, it's a good reminder (not directed at you--just in general) that just because an allegation seems plausible, we shouldn't necessarily give it any weight.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

You're trolling at some point. And also, considering the country and politician involved there SHOULD be more skepticism.

Yep.

Show me a video. Show me photos. Show me the police report. Show me multiple teammates supporting Nazarov's statement that Panarin viciously attacked someone (hell, show me a single teammate saying that).

Those would be citations, here.

 

[tlk]

So Anisin in Sport-Express interview confirmed that there was a conflict with some drunk girls, there was police involved and that afterwards Panarin was scolded by Vityaz GM at the time, Alexei Zhamnov.

Zhamnov's comments just now - «Панарин не бил девушку, но она вызвала полицию». Анисин и Назаров рассказали «Матч ТВ», что произошло в рижском баре в 2011 году (amongst others)
Жамнов мне написал: «Я даже не помню тот инцидент, что вызывал Панарина к себе. Думаю, добавить к словам Анисина мне нечего, и не стоит эту историю раздувать. Если бы случилось что-то серьезное, это наверняка отложилось бы у меня в памяти. Ну и заявление о взятке в 40 тысяч евро — это круто, конечно».
*И смайлик.*

Zhamnov texted me: I don't even remember the incident, that I called Panarin up. I don't think I have anything to add to Anisin's comments and see no need to stir this story up. If anything serious had happened I would've surely remembered that. Also the claim of a 40 thousand (euro) backhander - it's really funny.
*followed by a smiley*

 

[Hunter Gathers]

You know, when I posted the full interview with Nazarov the other day, I said I could actually see this being somewhat true, as it all sounded like a plausible scenario involving young athletes and a corrupt police element. At the same time, the way Nazarov and the interviewer were selling it, it sounded so, so much like nothing but a politically-motivated hatchet job. And then to hear Anisin talk about how it was a night at the bar and there were girls with drugs and all that, again some level of truth to the initial accusation seemed possible.

With that said--it's always dangerous, going down that road of, "It seems plausible, so maybe I should believe it!" I remember with the DeAngelo puck-stealing, it was like, sure, that sounds like something that could happen, a joke that got out of hand, maybe it's true! And in my head that's where I was with it, until basically everyone involved shot it down. So, it's a good reminder (not directed at you--just in general) that just because an allegation seems plausible, we shouldn't necessarily give it any weight.

Right. Once the team came out with the statement, since the Rangers are a very cautious organization, I really began to relax a bit about this. Anisin's statements essentially refuting much of what Nazarov said (also, it's hilariously odd that Nazarov was saying that Panarin and the group weren't drinking) double that skepticism down to me.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Zhamnov's comments just now - «Панарин не бил девушку, но она вызвала полицию». Анисин и Назаров рассказали «Матч ТВ», что произошло в рижском баре в 2011 году (amongst others)
Жамнов мне написал: «Я даже не помню тот инцидент, что вызывал Панарина к себе. Думаю, добавить к словам Анисина мне нечего, и не стоит эту историю раздувать. Если бы случилось что-то серьезное, это наверняка отложилось бы у меня в памяти. Ну и заявление о взятке в 40 тысяч евро — это круто, конечно».
*И смайлик.*

Zhamnov texted me: I don't even remember the incident, that I called Panarin up. I don't think I have anything to add to Anisin's comments and see no need to stir this story up. If anything serious had happened I would've surely remembered that. Also the claim of a 40 thousand (euro) backhander - it's really funny.
*followed by a smiley*

Great. So we know the story's complete bullshit and can begin to move on and figure out why Panarin is taking an LOA since none of that has been remotely cleared.

 

[Kshahdoo]

You're trolling at some point. And also, considering the country and politician involved there SHOULD be more skepticism.

You know nothing about Putin's regime then, if you didn't think, there was at least something behind the story. They are assholes, but they are pretty effective assholes. They know shit about, how to build effective economy, but they know very well, how to make people look dirty.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You know nothing about Putin's regime then, if you didn't think, there was at least something behind the story. They are assholes, but they are pretty effective assholes. They know shit about, how to build effective economy, but they know very well, how to make people look dirty.

"Something behind the story" and he knocked her unconscious and tried to rape her are worlds apart. Sure SOMETHING probably happened, why else would he pick that random date 10 years ago? So if he shoved some girl that insulted him, that's STILL a non-story. But it would muddy the waters enough for it to make the story more complicated.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Zhamnov's comments just now - «Панарин не бил девушку, но она вызвала полицию». Анисин и Назаров рассказали «Матч ТВ», что произошло в рижском баре в 2011 году (amongst others)
Жамнов мне написал: «Я даже не помню тот инцидент, что вызывал Панарина к себе. Думаю, добавить к словам Анисина мне нечего, и не стоит эту историю раздувать. Если бы случилось что-то серьезное, это наверняка отложилось бы у меня в памяти. Ну и заявление о взятке в 40 тысяч евро — это круто, конечно».
*И смайлик.*

Zhamnov texted me: I don't even remember the incident, that I called Panarin up. I don't think I have anything to add to Anisin's comments and see no need to stir this story up. If anything serious had happened I would've surely remembered that. Also the claim of a 40 thousand (euro) backhander - it's really funny.
*followed by a smiley*

Nazarov says, he's already beged that girl's dad pardon, and not 10 years ago, but lately. So they've found the girl.

 

[KotBegemot]

Right, I mean, Anisin basically clears Panarin. Sounds like some drunk girls started some shit and there was a minor push.

Big whoop.

It's abundantly clear that he did not attack or beat or demolish someone.

Exactly. That's why Panarin leaving the team and Rangers' strong statement (which led to people being afraid that him and his family are in physical danger) kinda blew the whole thing out of proportions. I remember reading this Nazarov's interview in the morning and not giving it much thought, because who would believe this lunatic. But then in the evening I'm reading that Panarin is leaving the team and also this Rangers' statement that he's been persecuted by Russian government and only then I thought, 'whoa, this is serious'. I don't blame Rangers honestly, I'm glad they were so supportive of their star but it kinda made an elephant out of a fly, as we say in Russia.

 

[Hanji]

Politics has nothing to do with something like this in the US. Black football star, Greg Hardy, was basically forced out of the NFL for his misdeeds. After the Deadspin article came out showing what that animal put his partner through, he was not re-signed (for obvious reasons).

The US is not like Russia, so please do not compare situations.

Colin Kaepernick says hello.

 

[vorky]

The Rangers came down hard and called out the accusations for what they are. They immediately saw that this was bullshit.

So you just confirmed that your previous statement was a lie. You said "literally no one in the US cares", but it looks like that NYR & NHL care enough to make a statement.

 

[KotBegemot]

Zhamnov's comments just now - «Панарин не бил девушку, но она вызвала полицию». Анисин и Назаров рассказали «Матч ТВ», что произошло в рижском баре в 2011 году (amongst others)
Жамнов мне написал: «Я даже не помню тот инцидент, что вызывал Панарина к себе. Думаю, добавить к словам Анисина мне нечего, и не стоит эту историю раздувать. Если бы случилось что-то серьезное, это наверняка отложилось бы у меня в памяти. Ну и заявление о взятке в 40 тысяч евро — это круто, конечно».
*И смайлик.*

Zhamnov texted me: I don't even remember the incident, that I called Panarin up. I don't think I have anything to add to Anisin's comments and see no need to stir this story up. If anything serious had happened I would've surely remembered that. Also the claim of a 40 thousand (euro) backhander - it's really funny.
*followed by a smiley*

Yep, Nazarov doomed himself. Now he's gonna be a total pariah in the hockey world.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

So you just confirmed that your previous statement was a lie. You said "literally no one in the US cares", but it looks like that NYR & NHL care enough to make a statement.

Re-read and try again, champ.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Colin Kaepernick says hello.

I am assuming you are using that to support my statement, right? I mean, yeah, Kaepernick was basically black-listed from the NFL due to a stance that about half the country supported and half didn't. He certainly wasn't blacklisted due to being pro-conservative, lol.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Yep, Nazarov doomed himself. Now he's gonna be a total pariah in the hockey world.

Unless there's a provincial KHL team which tries to position itself as the most pro-government team in the country which, knowing a bit about Turkish soccer, is pretty plausible

 

[tlk]

Nazarov says, he's already beged that girl's dad pardon, and not 10 years ago, but lately. So they've found the girl.

I'm not sure if you're serious about such comments from him or not. Ofc if they needed they'd fish out of somewhere and present us with anything, Maria Magdalene included. If they're serious about going all the way with this. Or at least somewhat further, bc right now I don't think there has been any statement in Russia even partially supporting this whole BS, either from the alleged witnesses or just from anyone of any note. BTW, another who supposedly been there, Danny Markov said literally "I don't even comment on this vomit"

 

[tlk]

Yep, Nazarov doomed himself. Now he's gonna be a total pariah in the hockey world.

We can only hope. He must've been really desperate, Dan)

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'm not sure if you're serious about such comments from him or not. Ofc if they needed they'd fish out of somewhere and present us with anything, Maria Magdalene included. If they're serious about going all the way with this. Or at least somewhat further, bc right now I don't think there has been any statement in Russia even partially supporting this whole BS, either from the alleged witnesses or just from anyone of any note. BTW, another who supposedly been there, Danny Markov said literally "I don't even comment on this vomit"

Nobody would ever openly support such a dirty shit in Russia, and you know it pretty well... Ok maybe some diehard pro-Putin clowns, nobody cares about.

 

[nyr2k2]

Nazarov says, he's already beged that girl's dad pardon, and not 10 years ago, but lately. So they've found the girl.

This article, translated to English, says that Nazarov wants to apologize to "the girl" and her father. Of course I cannot read the original article and it may be mistranslated, but that's how it reads to me. Is that an incorrect translation?

Назаров: от слов про Панарина не отказываюсь, там были свидетели

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'm not sure if you're serious about such comments from him or not. Ofc if they needed they'd fish out of somewhere and present us with anything, Maria Magdalene included. If they're serious about going all the way with this. Or at least somewhat further, bc right now I don't think there has been any statement in Russia even partially supporting this whole BS, either from the alleged witnesses or just from anyone of any note. BTW, another who supposedly been there, Danny Markov said literally "I don't even comment on this vomit"

I believe three of the four players present with Panarin have commented, now. And all seem to be clearly saying that this is bullshit.

Knowing Markov's personality, you'd think he'd have beaten the f***ing shit out of Panarin if Panarin actually did what Nazarov is alleging.

 

[Off Sides]

Exactly. That's why Panarin leaving the team and Rangers' strong statement (which led to people being afraid that him and his familay are in physical danger) kinda blew the whole thing out of proportions. I remember reading this Nazarov's interview in the morning and not giving it much thought, because who would believe this lunatic. But then in the evening I'm reading that Panarin is leaving the team and also this Rangers' statement that he's been persecuted by Russian government and only then I thought, 'whoa, this is serious'. I don't blame Rangers honestly, I'm glad they were so supportive of their star but it kinda made an elephant out of a fly, as we say in Russia.

Yet what if there is no leave and the people who are either making this stuff completely up or heavily exaggerating it do not stop there because he is still playing?

Doesn't this leave sort of give them no reason to continue to add in more?

Once/If this can be demonstratively shown to be false, or at least not true, it sort of ends as no matter what other stuff they come up with no one will believe them based on the first stuff being shown to be false.

That seems like a better and shorter solution than Panarin playing for the Rangers and having whomever just keep coming up with new stuff about him. I mean if they are willing to either totally make this up or extremely exaggerate it why do they stop there unless they get at least partially what they want? Wouldn't the Rangers and Panarin just blowing this off, ignoring it just lead to them looking for other ways to reach whatever nefarious goal they have?

 

[Kshahdoo]

We can only hope. He must've been really desperate, Dan)

I bet, he'll get some job soon, Putin loves servants, who do dirty things and don't ask.