What an awful post full of strawmen.Nobody cares what you care about. Your opinion based on stats doesnt dictate if they were good or not
And thats cute - in one breathe, discount Mogilny based on stats and then in the next imply a player such as Nichols couldnt have been better than the greats based on his stats
So you choose to follow stats when it suits you but then make counter arguments that go against stats. You walk conversations into circles because you have no direction, your opinion is entirely based on stats. If you actually did watch themplay as you claim, you wouldnt be arguing that Mogilny is the obviously-worst player, consistently making it seem like its undebatable.
But yeah, keep thinking Artemi Panarin is better than Alexander Mogilny lmfao. You hold those stats you love so dearly tight as Panarin scores 2 points in a series to a division rival.
'I dont care who is more skilled' - yeah, that was real evident when you said Mogilny was the worst player of the group. Remind me what else matters in hockey besides skill (or is it Panarin's incredible stature, coming in at 30+ lbs lighter than Mogilny?)
Mark Messier is the 2nd greatest player ever because thats what his stats and awards say. You got it boss.
I think the Fedorov trio had the best chemistry and they terrorized on the international stage early in their Soviet careers.I think Panarin-Malkin-Kucherov probably have the best potential chemistry, and that swings it for me. All three guys are pretty balanced as both shooters and passers, and seem to play the game in a pretty similar way.
What an awful post full of strawmen.
Kucherov blows Mogilny out of the water. So far, all the Mogilny side has produced is "bu bu but he was the best and you had to watch him play! He didn’t care, my mom told me!".
Kucherov demolishes him statistically. It’s not like we’re even talking the same tier of player there where there would be an argument. Then throw in playoff performance where Kucherov is one of the best in the modern era and one of the best full-stop. There is literally no argument in Mogilny’s favor besides that one 76-goal season which was also the highest-scoring in history.
Placing Mogilny at Kucherov’s level or above is a f***ing gag. Mogilny was fantastic but clearly a step below Kucherov.
The stats and awards don't even say that. Quit the strawmen.
Yeah, forget facts. It’s all about how you feel.not even worth the nerd ass argument just state the facts Mogilny ainec
Yeah, forget facts. It’s all about how you feel.
Might be the most stupid thing you’ve typed on this board.yeah man stats arent facts lol despite your feelings
Might be the most stupid thing you’ve typed on this board.
Good thing we’re not using "stats" without context. Finishes and awards aren’t stats. Nobody is saying X or Y has more points therefore he’s better.stats are meaningless without interpretive context
I'm not able to dumb down this whole sort of discussion anymore to engage with you further though
Mogilny ainec
Good thing we’re not using "stats" without context. Finishes and awards aren’t stats. Nobody is saying X or Y has more points therefore he’s better.
The most important aspects of a player’s legacy, and you choose to ignore them because your feelings are hurt that your favorite player is outclassed.
Tl;dr, ignore everything because that’s how you feel. What a baby.Awards finishes are even more incommensurable than stats lol
Tl;dr, ignore everything because that’s how you feel. What a baby.
You’ve been owned and are just digging yourself in a hole. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Still not a single argument but by all means, keep repeating yourself.If you can't even grasp the fact that awards voting methodologies as well as criteria changed even more massively than just the context of the game itself between when Mogilny played and Kucherov how's that on me?
dont get so pissy that people think differently from you lol
Mogilny ainec
Nah, it’s still the guy with two Stanley Cups who lead the league in playoff scoring twice, with an Hart, an Art Ross, and a Ted Lindsay.I think some people here are forgetting the (at their peak) part here in the discussion.
Mogliny never played in his peak on a team like TB either.Nah, it’s still the guy with two Stanley Cups who lead the league in playoff scoring twice, with an Hart, an Art Ross, and a Ted Lindsay.
Peak Kucherov was a top 2 player in the league. Mogilny never even sniffed this.
His teammates were no slouches either and he also got prime Hasek later on who admittedly was known for dragging a mild Buffalo team to the playoffs and beyond. Even ignoring Mario, Mogilny never came close to leading the league in scoring but did manage a first place tie with Selanne. Kucherov beat out McDavid.Mogliny never played in his peak on a team like TB either.
Well, yeah, they played together. As far as I’m aware, Maklkin and Panarin never played with Kucherov? Not even in international competitons.I'm old enough to have watched Mogliny when he was young with Bure and Fedorov and had the iron curtain not come down we would be talking about that line like we are about the Green line forwards all time.
He’s probably the best of his group honestly.Fedorov at his peak is also being under rated here IMO.
Mogliny never played in his peak on a team like TB either.
I'm old enough to have watched Mogliny when he was young with Bure and Fedorov and had the iron curtain not come down we would be talking about that line like we are about the Green line forwards all time.
Fedorov at his peak is also being under rated here IMO.
Ah yes, Fedorov who was second in scoring behind Gretzky, won an Hart and a Selke in the same season and tied for 10th place in scoring in another while getting playing elite defense and getting another Selke should totally not be judged based on his awards. He also led the playoff scoring race once, led in assists the next year, and then in goals the year after. He was a key peace in 3 cup runs. The guy was also so damn defensively good that he was used as a defenseman at times.on HF some people will judge a guy like Fedorov poorly on stats and scoring/awards placements lol
sad but what can you do
You are doing really well here and then.........but I guess you don't understand what peak means eh?Ah yes, Fedorov who was second in scoring behind Gretzky, won an Hart and a Selke in the same season and tied for 10th place in scoring in another while getting playing elite defense and getting another Selke should totally not be judged based on his awards. He also led the playoff scoring race once, led in assists the next year, and then in goals the year after. He was a key peace in 3 cup runs. The guy was also so damn defensively good that he was used as a defenseman at times.
His trophy case and placements are excellent,
unlike Mogilny so congrats for owning yourself again.
Can your takes get any more ignorant?
Different arguments. I was responding to the other poster about their careers because that’s what the discussion switched to.You are doing really well here and then.........but I guess you don't understand what peak means eh?
Different arguments. I was responding to the other poster about their careers because that’s what the discussion switched to.
Bure Fedorov Mogilny ainec
lol thanks for all the awards placements hockey-reference bot Mogilny is the most talented player here
I’m responding to you about their peaks which is what OP asked.