Rumor: Pagnotta: "Rasmus Andersson is open to a trade, he would welcome it" It would cost 3 assets...1st rnd pick, prospect, +

[Goalfield13]

Habs have a lot to work with. Our pool is deeper than the Sens. Go look at our draft power since 2018. It's almost historic. People can laugh at that all they want... it's some really high amount of picks for more than just 3 draft years. Montreal Canadiens Draft History at hockeydb.com

I do understand where you are coming from though. But there is a 7/8 year age spread between Suzuki and Demidov and I feel that's where we will focus on. We will need to have some vets mixed in because Gallagher, Anderson, Savard, Armia days are numbered. Andersson fills a RD hole and a improvement over Matheson. I will admit... I'm very surprised the Hutson/Matheson pairing is looking very good (so far)

We have two needs (RD and C) and they are greedy needs. Most Habs fans will say the RD is a bigger need than C and that is fair. Hage looks good but he is years away. We got time to see how good Dach is and we might try Demidov at center.

Habs can trade our 1st, Newhook, and Kapanen and still be left with...
* Flames/Panthers 1st
* Two 2nd round picks
* Demidov
* Hage
* Reinbacher
* Beck
* Roy
* Fowler
* Mailloux
* Engstrom

These are only the top end of our pool. I'm not even listing the ones who have an outside shot at making it.

If I was Calgary, I would target our 1st, Mailloux and Kapanen. Mailloux is going to be an NHLer for sure, but needs a season or two in the AHL to iron out his game. His offensive game is already good. Kapanen could be ready as soon as next year. He's having a great year playing 1C in the SHL. It would hurt to lose those assets, but Andersson is a player we need.

 

[crackdown44]

Teams don't trade grade A prospects, unless you have a REALLY low definition of a grade A prospect

Well the guy I was responding to referenced Hage as a grade A prospect so I suppose that’s the bar in this scenario. I think he’s excellent but far from a can’t miss guy

 

[Habs Halifax]

If I was Calgary, I would target our 1st, Mailloux and Kapanen. Mailloux is going to be an NHLer for sure, but needs a season or two in the AHL to iron out his game. His offensive game is already good. Kapanen could be ready as soon as next year. He's having a great year playing 1C in the SHL. It would hurt to lose those assets, but Andersson is a player we need.

I do agree. Lots of fans sleeping on Mailloux but he really does have to mature in his own end. If he does, he's going to be very good. Big RD with great skating and a great shot. Any team with an asset like this in their pool would be very happy. Habs have Reinbacher so that's why we can use Mailloux to get an improvement now but needs to be in a package

 

[DJJones]

Ya Flames aren't going to bottom out. They're going to have to spend money just to get to the floor next year. Conroy isn't going to sabotage the team by getting some 8 million dollar bottom pairing guy trying to tank. That would be wildly hypocritical of what hes been saying the whole time. He has to at least mostly replace Andersson.

Plus we have an endless supply of tweeners that can fill holes for league minimum. Decent chance the teams depth actually improves by doing nothing by natural development.

I like the Byrum idea if that's something Buffalo is into. Otherwise whoever gives us the best center prospect wins. I don't want 3 pieces, I want one valuable "center" piece. Shit we'll take back a bad contract and retain 50% on Andersson. Just give us a center.

 

[Goalfield13]

I do agree. Lots of fans sleeping on Mailloux but he really does have to mature in his own end. If he does, he's going to be very good. Big RD with great skating and a great shot. Any team with an asset like this in their pool would be very happy. Habs have Reinbacher so that's why we can use Mailloux to get an improvement now but needs to be in a package

Hutson also makes Mailloux available. Mailloux's worth is that on the PP, and if he isn't playing PP1, it is kind of a waste. I was completely against trading him at the beginning of the season, but with Hutson around, it makes it easier.

 

[Habssince89]

This is one of those rare times where a notable player is available and it actually makes sense that the habs would be in contention/have the assets haha.

Montreal has the picks and prospects, and even roster players like Newhook, Evans, etc that could be involved depending on what the entire deal is. My take on Mailloux is that he might need more time, but that's traditionally the D route. He has size and toughness (which can't be tought) and a lot of skill including skating and a great shot. Teaching him to play D is more than possible. It's just a matter of time.

 

[crazyfisherman]

If I was Calgary, I would target our 1st, Mailloux and Kapanen. Mailloux is going to be an NHLer for sure, but needs a season or two in the AHL to iron out his game. His offensive game is already good. Kapanen could be ready as soon as next year. He's having a great year playing 1C in the SHL. It would hurt to lose those assets, but Andersson is a player we need.

Last thing Calgary needs is more offensive D, we are loaded with that already

 

[UrbanImpact]

Yeah, the super quick re-tool where they traded a top six centre, two top 4 dman, a starting goalie, and didn’t replace any of them and kept 20 million of cap space. The Flames should be a bottom ten team but goalies and hustle are keeping them high.

There's no rebuild period when you have Huberdeau, Kadri making almost 18mil combined for many more years. Plus i dont think they have any interest in moving Weegar. thats almost 25 mil of the cap on 3 players. Impossible to do a rebuild then. Retool is the better word for them otherwise they will toil in that purgatory 12-18th medicore pick that thyeve been in for a while.

 

[crackdown44]

Yeah again I see Montreal wanting to get value for Mailloux in an Andersson trade since having a top pair RD locked up long term makes him expendable but with Parekh Mews and Bru already in the system he is just not a guy the Flames would target in an Andersson trade, value aside

 

[Goalfield13]

Ya Flames aren't going to bottom out. They're going to have to spend money just to get to the floor next year. Conroy isn't going to sabotage the team by getting some 8 million dollar bottom pairing guy trying to tank. That would be wildly hypocritical of what hes been saying the whole time. He has to at least mostly replace Andersson.

Plus we have an endless supply of tweeners that can fill holes for league minimum. Decent chance the teams depth actually improves by doing nothing by natural development.

I like the Byrum idea if that's something Buffalo is into. Otherwise whoever gives us the best center prospect wins. I don't want 3 pieces, I want one valuable "center" piece. Shit we'll take back a bad contract and retain 50% on Andersson. Just give us a center.

Kapanen is a C. A pretty good one too. We have Beck and Hage, which makes trading Kapanen much easier. I think Kapanen has higher upside compared to Beck. I offer Kapanen as the name here because I think Calgary would prefer him above Beck, and Kapanen is going to be ready sooner than Hage, who I don't think the Habs are going to offer.

 

[Wpgpage]

Cole Perfetti & Ville Heinola

 

[Goalfield13]

Yeah again I see Montreal wanting to get value for Mailloux in an Andersson trade since having a top pair RD locked up long term makes him expendable but with Parekh Mews and Bru already in the system he is just not a guy the Flames or the kind of prospect they’d target in an Andersson trade, value aside

Fair enough. If we offered our 1st and Kapanen, what would the third asset look like?

 

[WarriorofTime]

If I was Calgary, I would target our 1st, Mailloux and Kapanen. Mailloux is going to be an NHLer for sure, but needs a season or two in the AHL to iron out his game. His offensive game is already good. Kapanen could be ready as soon as next year. He's having a great year playing 1C in the SHL. It would hurt to lose those assets, but Andersson is a player we need.

Mailloux isn't out of time, but he doesn't have that much time. He's in Year 2 of AHL, which means he's half a season away from Year 3, and then he's out of Waiver-Exempt and no longer a prospect. The same reason Montreal has very little fear with trading him is also why Calgary probably shouldn't be overly thrilled with him coming back. Calgary has some of their own prospects already (ala someone like Parekh who is 3 drafts younger and projects out a lot better)

 

[DJJones]

Kapanen is a C. A pretty good one too. We have Beck and Hage, which makes trading Kapanen much easier. I think Kapanen has higher upside compared to Beck. I offer Kapanen as the name here because I think Calgary would prefer him above Beck, and Kapanen is going to be ready sooner than Hage, who I don't think the Habs are going to offer.

I have no ability whatsoever to judge the prospect. I'd trust Conroy to do that. Looking at rankings and he's like 8-10 on most Montreal rankings. Not exactly confidence building haha

We have stacked levels of projected to be solid wingers and defenders. We need centers with at least a chance of becoming a 1C.

 

[Goalfield13]

I have no ability whatsoever to judge the prospect. I'd trust Conroy to do that. Looking at rankings and he's like 8-10 on most Montreal rankings. Not exactly confidence building haha

We have stacked levels of projected to be solid wingers and defenders. We need centers.

Being 8-10 on our rankings isn't a bad thing. We have been rebuilding and stockpiling picks and prospects. He is one of our best C prospects. Second only to Hage in terms of potential.

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

What rebuild?

Flames are not rebuilding with Huberdeau, Weegar, Kadri, Backlund, Coleman on the roster. They will do a quick retool. Andersson seems young enough to be part of that.

and Pagnotta says its been a couple of seasons now that Andersson would welcome a trade..

Why does he seem eager to want out? I thought he was one of the lifers in CGY as he was drafted and developed by the team.

Calgary won't admit we are in a rebuild, but we are. Andersson has been a great team guy and player for us, but we won't be competing any time soon.. at best we could turn it around by the time our new arena opens, which I think is what ownership is kind of looking at. I love Ras, but I think it's time to move on and he'll get a great haul due to his contract and what he brings (RHD).

 

[VanillaCoke]

Buffalo makes a metric tonne of sense

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

Hutson also makes Mailloux available. Mailloux's worth is that on the PP, and if he isn't playing PP1, it is kind of a waste. I was completely against trading him at the beginning of the season, but with Hutson around, it makes it easier.

We have Parekh, Poirier, Brzustewics and Henry Mews as prospects I don't see us needing a guy like Mailloux.

 

[HuGort]

To Buffalo: Rasmus Andersson++
To Calgary: EP(+?)
To Vancouver: Byram + Cozens +

HF Crashes again. This time, permanently.

Calgary would probably do Cozens and Byram straight for Andersson

 

[UrbanImpact]

Calgary won't admit we are in a rebuild, but we are. Andersson has been a great team guy and player for us, but we won't be competing any time soon.. at best we could turn it around by the time our new arena opens, which I think is what ownership is kind of looking at. I love Ras, but I think it's time to move on and he'll get a great haul due to his contract and what he brings (RHD).

I;m not sure how great of a return CGY can expect.

Hronek + 4th was traded for a 17th overall and 2nd round pick.

Hronek was also RFA and younger compared to Ras who is only signed for 1.5 more yrs.

 

[Bond]

There's no rebuild period when you have Huberdeau, Kadri making almost 18mil combined for many more years. Plus i dont think they have any interest in moving Weegar. thats almost 25 mil of the cap on 3 players. Impossible to do a rebuild then. Retool is the better word for them otherwise they will toil in that purgatory 12-18th medicore pick that thyeve been in for a while.

Yeah, like when they finished 9th last year? Don't know why I bother arguing with a Nucks homer though lol

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I;m not sure how great of a return CGY can expect.

Hronek + 4th was traded for a 17th overall and 2nd round pick.

Hronek was also RFA and younger compared to Ras who is only signed for 1.5 more yrs.

Difference is Rasmus can also be retained down to 2.2575 for the next year and a half. That has value.

 

[HuGort]

Canucks are very interested. Pettersson for Andersson and Kadri?

Doubt Vancouver would trade Pettersson in same conference

 

[Fjordy]

Calgary would probably do Cozens and Byram straight for Andersson

But that doesn't make sense for Buffalo.

 

[Bond]

Calgary won't admit we are in a rebuild, but we are.

I think they have. They wouldn't roll into a season with 20 million in cap if they were pretending they weren't.