Speculation: Pacioretty and TBL

[Beukeboom Fan]

then came the thing called a salary cap....Tampa Bay cant afford his hit. They likely want to try and sign Kucherov for around $3M like they did with Johnson and Palat.

Since Kucherov has already broken out to a much greater degree than TJ/AP at the time of their contracts, I can't imagine that Kuch takes any sort of bridge deal for $3M. I'd think you're looking at a short term deal around $5M+, or a long term deal for close to what Tarasenko got.

 

[MXD]

or Price

Price wouldn't free enough cap room.

Kucherov is (supposedly) 7
Callahan is 5.8

Patches is 4.5
Price is 6.5
And Montreal has 1.4 Caproom

If you put Kucherov at 6.5 it works in theory, until you realize that an NHL team needs two netminders.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The only piece that Montreal could send to Tampa that would enable them to sign Kucherov to a logical contract, and not some 1-yr stupid deal, is Shea Weber.

It's safe to say that this isn't happening anytime soon.

Yep obviously Shea Weber is a no go, Not sure how either Montreal or Tampa can do a deal here that would be beneficial for both clubs and fit in their salary structure.

 

[tony d]

I can see Montreal looking at trading Patches but not to a division rival.

 

[kingdok]

Price wouldn't free enough cap room.

Kucherov is (supposedly) 7
Callahan is 5.8

Patches is 4.5
Price is 6.5
And Montreal has 1.4 Caproom

If you put Kucherov at 6.5 it works in theory, until you realize that an NHL team needs two netminders.

well, it was a stupid idea anyway

 

[JS91]

It does make sense simply because Pacioretty has a great contract and with Kucherov likely not signing for less than 7 (and rightfully so) it really seems like we are going to need to move someone to sign him. That said I don't think there is a team in this league I'd rather not trade Kucherov to than Montreal.

 

[smirob]

I don't trust the source, but in theory it makes some sense.

It would definitely not be a 1-for-1 deal though.

 

[Legend123]

Patches for Kucherov is a win win. TBL get a cheap winger for 3 years to help put their cap and montreal get the better winger.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Montreal would want Drouin (in my opinion) and some other pieces over Kucherov.

If you're replacing Pacioretty and his cheap deal, you'd need to give up the French Canadian star that Bergevin has been looking for and some other pieces to make things balance out... Not sure what they would be.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I don't trust the source, but in theory it makes some sense.

It would definitely not be a 1-for-1 deal though.

Yeah for what Kucherov is seeking, There's no way it could be a 1 for 1 deal. Montreal just doesn't have enough cap space for that.

 

[bert]

Kucherov for Pacioretty is an interesting frame-work for a deal.

Why would tampa do this exactly? Love Pacioretty but Kucherov has the ability to contend for the art ross and he's younger.

 

[Legend123]

Montreal would want Drouin (in my opinion) and some other pieces over Kucherov.

If you're replacing Pacioretty and his cheap deal, you'd need to give up the French Canadian star that Bergevin has been looking for and some other pieces to make things balance out... Not sure what they would be.

if he really wanted Drouin, he would have traded either Gallys for him.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Not trading Kuch. I will let go of TJ and/or Palat before I considered moving Kuch.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Drouin is the main piece going the other way - along with a D-prospect and/or cash dump. E6

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

At this point of the off-season? Why in god's name...

But I'm entirely open to trading Pacioretty for Kucherov+ or Drouin+ - Patches is cap-era gold, he's quite valuable.

 

[bert]

Drouin is the main piece going the other way - along with a D-prospect and/or cash dump. E6

Drouin + Callahan/Filpulla for Pacioretty is the only deal that makes sense.

 

[Legend123]

At this point of the off-season? Why in god's name...

But I'm entirely open to trading Pacioretty for Kucherov+ or Drouin+ - Patches is cap-era gold, he's quite valuable.

Im fairly certain any kuch-patch trade will have the habs add some or maybe if they get lucky a straight up 1v1 trade.

 

[MXD]

Why would tampa do this exactly? Love Pacioretty but Kucherov has the ability to contend for the art ross and he's younger.

Because Kucherov isn't signed and they seem to have a hard time signing him, considering their capspace.

Drouin + Callahan/Filpulla for Pacioretty is the only deal that makes sense.

No, it doesn't. Montreal cannot even take Callahan straight up for Pacioretty. No caproom, let alone Drouin and his bonuses. And Tampa retaining... doesn't even make a lick of sense, considering the whole idea of this is to sign Kucherov.

Im fairly certain any kuch-patch trade will have the habs add some or maybe if they get lucky a straight up 1v1 trade.

If by "adding some", you mean "adding a paid asset", then yeah.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

Im fairly certain any kuch-patch trade will have the habs add some or maybe if they get lucky a straight up 1v1 trade.

Agreed and could involve Beaulieu and actually help both sides cap-wise.

 

[MXD]

Agreed and could involve Beaulieu and actually help both sides cap-wise.

It could work if Kucherov accepts a long-term deal at 6.5M.
Not a penny more.

Not to mention that probably means Sergachyov in the lineup as a regular... and his caphit would then be HIGHER than Beaulieu, because bonuses and all.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

if he really wanted Drouin, he would have traded either Gallys for him.

Except that both Gallys have proven more in the league so far and hold more value today. I know that may not always be the case, but that's how I see it...

With Pacioretty though the Bolts get the better player now, who is on a sweetheart deal for another three years (I think anyway?) Habs get the French young gun they've been looking for and both teams benefit. A solid hockey trade I think. Of course you'd have to tweak the deal a bit to make everything fit but I think both sides get value for the assets they move.

 

[HOPE]

After the subban deal a big deal like this will never happen this season they will likely see how patches performs this season or the next one after

 

[Stjonnypopo]

As others have said Hockey Insider throws crap against the wall to see what sticks.

But as far as speculation goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see Montreal move Pacioretty for a younger (Russian) player. Who knows if they really trust their captain as much as they say, it would be a way to avoid this whole scenario.

Not to mention Montreal has an infatuation with Russians right now. Markov, Emelin, Radulov, American-born but Russian speaking Galchenyuk, Sergachev in the minors.

 

[MrClutch86]

Lets say Kucherov for Max actually has some legs (it doesn't)
Lightning LWs - Palat , Pacioretty , Killorn , Drouin
Lghtning RWs - Callahan

Makes no sense
Don't need another left winger

 

[gis1838]

pacioretty beaulieu and 2nd pick

for

drouin and killhorn

so TB can move garrison or coburn make cap room for kuch

mtl get a pretty decent top six

drouin-galchenyuk-radulov
killhorn-plekanec-gallagher

thought?