Value of: P.K. Subban Double Retention (2.25 AAV)
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Zippy316
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He’s not the flashy player he once was, but he is still a solid third pairing defenseman. Once he recognized that he wasn’t the Montreal Subban, he settled in quite nicely on the Devils.
I could see a team liking his experience on the bottom pairing. Plus his shot is still a weapon and he can fill in on both special teams. He’s lost some of his foot speed in recent years which is probably his biggest issue.
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I doubt Devils get much value. Maybe a third round pick if they’re lucky.
But I think Fitzgerald will follow in Shero’s footsteps of giving guys an opportunity regardless of the price.
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Juice probably isn't worth the squeeze, to be honest. Just keep him on until the end of the year.
I'm fine with that, just keep in mind that NJ can only retain on a maximum of 3 contracts. If they get worthwhile offers on Severson, Zacha and Johnsson requiring retention, you want to have those spots open.
If those offers don't materialize, then sure, burn a retention slot on PK and do him a solid. He's been a good soldier here.
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Keep in mind Subban was paid via bonus most of his contract this year so the 3rd team would really just be retaining mostly cap space.
P.K. Subban Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
He's on the hook for 2 million in salary so 25% of 2million for the rest of the season is about (1/3)*25%*2m = 166k in money (someone can be more precise here and correct me) for the team taking on 25%. If the Devils pay that team a 4th rounder to eat 25% do you all think Subban would get a 2nd from the acquiring team?
P.K. Subban Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
He's on the hook for 2 million in salary so 25% of 2million for the rest of the season is about (1/3)*25%*2m = 166k in money (someone can be more precise here and correct me) for the team taking on 25%. If the Devils pay that team a 4th rounder to eat 25% do you all think Subban would get a 2nd from the acquiring team?
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That's the problem. He was never the fleetest of foot even during his prime, and now it really shows. Players with speed get around him with continuous ease. I also don't think he's capable of playing in a fast-paced system (teams like Colorado, Vegas, Carolina for example). Unless there's some serious retention as you're thinking of with OP, I don't see a contending team or even a playoff bound team targeting him.
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You're probably going to have to give the 3rd team an equal value asset to what you give to NJ.
That's way too much effort for a guy that caps out as a 3rd pairing defenseman. If you just want depth there are much cheaper options, and if you want quality you're not going to trade for Subban.
That's way too much effort for a guy that caps out as a 3rd pairing defenseman. If you just want depth there are much cheaper options, and if you want quality you're not going to trade for Subban.
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The retention cost would be higher than the value of the player. He’d be a pointless addition for any contender.
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Before this season I would have argued tooth and nail that he'd get a 2nd rounder or better with %50 retention. But he's been abysmal, and is constantly taking bad penalties and borderline getting suspended.
Even at 2.25, I wouldn't trade for him. He's just as likely to hurt your team as he is to help it. Pass.
Even at 2.25, I wouldn't trade for him. He's just as likely to hurt your team as he is to help it. Pass.
You mean an average of $1,125,000 for the next four seasons? Maybe. If you mean $4,500,000/ season for the next four years, absolutely not.
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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If we can get a conditional 3rd that turns into a 2nd due to some sort of performance metric by the acquiring team, perhaps...
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it.
I think it resets July 1 or whenever free agency starts. Basically whatever contract you are retaining on has to expire and then you get the slot back.
Zippy316
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Realistically you have to provide an asset to the second team retaining.
I think Devils best bet at this point is effectively trading Subban for a third and then also providing a fifth to the second team.
In theory, the Devils would move up a couple rounds, contending team would acquire Subban at 2.25 for a third round pick, and second team retaining would gain a fifth round pick out of it.
He's a .4 ppg on a team going nowhere this year. Has SC experience, a RHD playing 19:19 rn and would probably fight fro time on the 2nd pairing in Tor. It wont be tremendous but it should be something. We can take back a contract or 2 s well if a decent return
Those are all good points, and we ended up getting something for Vatanen a couple years ago when I was sure he was completely cooked and had no value, so being a RHD is certainly worth something.
To me the problem with Subban is that they eye test is just really, really bad. A GM will need to really want depth and have faith that he will improve his game in better conditions.
