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Honestly a fever dream watching the draft last night. Two American kids and one of them an 07. Given the team typically aims for its top 4 picks to all be on the roster, it's going to be a training camp for the ages.
Owen Sound Attack 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II
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So reported from Cowan is that Jackman is 100% reporting. So that’s awesome to hear!! Already looking forward to next year.
Max Delisle is definitely the crown jewel in the Attack '25 draft class.
I get the feeling there will be plenty of space for players to fill openings.
5 American picks. Nicholas Sykora ( Peter's son) is projected 3rd round NHL .
USBTDP G Eli Winters next season ?
There's a lot to be excited about .
2nd round D Blake Munnings .
training camp at Shallow lake arena.
BTW, 75 fans enjoyed the Attack's draft watch party, had a Q&A session with Max, Tristan, and Miguel Delisle, and Dale Degray throughout the draft, explaining each draft selection . Delisles are thrilled to be in OS .
Max will wear #10.
Very interesting weekend for us diehards
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frontsfan67
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Planning on going up there next year. Will be an exciting young team. Never too early to plan! Any good restaurants in Owen Sound?
Hopefully for our sake we play you before we start trading guys around deadline and then end up as one of the worst in the league.
Haven’t been there yet. Been to most arenas in OHL not Owen Sound, Windsor, Saginaw, Flint, Sudbury, or Soo
Hopefully for our sake we play you before we start trading guys around deadline and then end up as one of the worst in the league.
Haven’t been there yet. Been to most arenas in OHL not Owen Sound, Windsor, Saginaw, Flint, Sudbury, or Soo
Mudtown Station is great
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Parkwood is really good
PARKWOOD Restaurant
Welcome to PARKWOOD Restaurant! Live entertainment and divine hand-crafted pizza, outdoors-inspired menu, sumptuous cocktails. Takeout and Delivery.
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If you want more typical diner food then Elsie's Diner or Kettles are good options but aren't all that close to the rink. Boot and Blade is a staple too.
If you want something more upscale then Shanny's Kitchen is a great spot.
Shanny's Kitchen - Shanny's Kitchen
A cozy, bohemian 'want to lick the plate' restaurant shepherded by Chef Shannon. Quickly becoming a favourite of diners local & afar.
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frontsfan67
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Thanks I’ll bookmark thisMudtown Station is great
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Parkwood is really good
PARKWOOD Restaurant
Welcome to PARKWOOD Restaurant! Live entertainment and divine hand-crafted pizza, outdoors-inspired menu, sumptuous cocktails. Takeout and Delivery.www.parkwoodbyheartwood.ca
If you want more typical diner food then Elsie's Diner or Kettles are good options but aren't all that close to the rink. Boot and Blade is a staple too.
If you want something more upscale then Shanny's Kitchen is a great spot.
Shanny's Kitchen - Shanny's Kitchen
A cozy, bohemian 'want to lick the plate' restaurant shepherded by Chef Shannon. Quickly becoming a favourite of diners local & afar.
frontsfan67
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Just playing around with some line combos and curious what the general thoughts would be on this:
This assumes Sykora comes. If not, maybe shift Wray up and slot in Prud'homme on the third line? I'm expecting Vandeven signs as he had a nice season in the GOJHL and brings size and the Attack keep Varosyan. This would drop Waddick, Cormier, Tersigni and Mikus but replace them with M.Delisle, Vandeven, Jackman and Sykora. This would be pre-import draft which I imagine they use the pick on an impact forward?
D-pairings could look something like:
This would assume Kwajah signs as has been speculated for awhile now and Roy joins fulltime. Rogers is shifted out and Bleicher moves on. Greenberg goes to school and McCrate sticks with his NCAA commitment for next season. Roy would play the right side as a LHD but when he was drafted it was noted he was playing on that side anyways so may be a natural fit there. This would be a young D core with three 08s.
This assumes Sykora comes. If not, maybe shift Wray up and slot in Prud'homme on the third line? I'm expecting Vandeven signs as he had a nice season in the GOJHL and brings size and the Attack keep Varosyan. This would drop Waddick, Cormier, Tersigni and Mikus but replace them with M.Delisle, Vandeven, Jackman and Sykora. This would be pre-import draft which I imagine they use the pick on an impact forward?
D-pairings could look something like:
This would assume Kwajah signs as has been speculated for awhile now and Roy joins fulltime. Rogers is shifted out and Bleicher moves on. Greenberg goes to school and McCrate sticks with his NCAA commitment for next season. Roy would play the right side as a LHD but when he was drafted it was noted he was playing on that side anyways so may be a natural fit there. This would be a young D core with three 08s.
I’m fine with what you have, I’m just over Nansi. I’d probably replace him with waddick or Cormier. I dunno, he is good on the puck but doesn’t score. I wouldn’t be upset to see him be traded. But that’s just my opinion.
Based on scuttlebutt
Mbuyi-T Delisle- Wray
Sykora-Dec-Zurawaski
VandEven / Prudhomme-Crawford-Nansi
Import-VandEven/Prudhomme- M Delisle
That looks pretty solid too. I think RW is a little weak as is. Nansi is probably on the clock to start the year. I think he's got big upside if he can put it together but how long can you afford to wait? I suspect that will be a call made by the deadline next season. I just think he's a guy you'd hate to move and see blossom somewhere else but that leash is likely getting short. I think the Attack would like Max Delisle at centre but I could see him moving up at right wing if the transition to the OHL is relatively smooth. He can split his time a bit between centre and right wing. His physical maturity likely gives the coaching staff some options on how they look to deploy him.
Also, both our lineups don't include an OA. That is something they likely add if it's not Waddick(which is still a possibility) as there will be options available to the Attack at likely reasonable prices.
I have a hard time slotting three OAs for next year. One forward and One D OA seems about right for next year. I think there's a enough young talent in the mix that I'd prefer to have them playing rather than have an OA shuffle them out of the lineup. Wray is the only 06 in that mix so the roster still favours the youth.
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I'm kind of surprised at the number of cut players in the above projections. On one hand, yes the team wasn't very good this year, and so guys will get shuffled out (and no doubt the level for what is an OHL player will be going up), but on the other hand, have a hard time imagining the team not running three overagers, and cutting multiple 19 year olds.
Also not sure I see three rookies on defence next season. Rogers may have struggled to find an identity this season but he was still ~40th in OHL defencemen scoring, and we only had two D break 10 points this season. We also spent a high pick on another defensive minded dman, and no indication that either of the 08's that will push for spots are going to be offensive dynamos (it is hard to put up points as a 17 year old D in the OHL - just 8 U18 D had 20 or more points this season).
I see Tersigni and Smith as the returnees that will have to most fight for their spots. If Greenberg goes to school, then add an overage forward. Could also see a scenario where Kindree, not able to take the next step or carve out what he is at the OHL level, fighting to stay on the team, too.
I think the team would be foolish to trade Nansi. The offensive consistency wasn't there, but as the season went on he showed how strong he is down low and on the cycle. There is a reason he's still on draft rankings after a 20ish point draft year - if the physical maturity happens, he could be a star. Worth betting on that talent.
Also not sure I see three rookies on defence next season. Rogers may have struggled to find an identity this season but he was still ~40th in OHL defencemen scoring, and we only had two D break 10 points this season. We also spent a high pick on another defensive minded dman, and no indication that either of the 08's that will push for spots are going to be offensive dynamos (it is hard to put up points as a 17 year old D in the OHL - just 8 U18 D had 20 or more points this season).
I see Tersigni and Smith as the returnees that will have to most fight for their spots. If Greenberg goes to school, then add an overage forward. Could also see a scenario where Kindree, not able to take the next step or carve out what he is at the OHL level, fighting to stay on the team, too.
I think the team would be foolish to trade Nansi. The offensive consistency wasn't there, but as the season went on he showed how strong he is down low and on the cycle. There is a reason he's still on draft rankings after a 20ish point draft year - if the physical maturity happens, he could be a star. Worth betting on that talent.
Reality is the 06 group, outside of George, has been a flop. Cormier and Tersigni now both have three years in the league, played centre and wing, played up and down the lineup and special teams, neither has carved out a role and have now been passed on the depth chart by younger guys. What confidence is there in those two specifically to find it at 19 based on the body of work? It's an unfortunate part of the business but I think they've run out of runway.
Rogers, playing amongst a pretty young and inexperienced Dcore, really struggled to secure a top 4 role this year. He did take a pretty decent bump in offense but I wouldn't say he necessarily generates a lot offense on his own. 10 of his 28 points came on the PP where he was often the second D on a 2D 5 man unit. I think with the D pieces the Attack have, he's likely going to get squeezed. I'm not sure Munnings is a total defensive Dman either. The write ups I've found on him say his defensive end and gap control are strong and he contributes to the secondary offense. I read that his him being more of a two way D than a defensive Dman. Time will tell on him I suppose.
The OA situation is interesting. The only lock for me is Petrovski. I'd upgrade on Waddick if it were up to me. I think if Sykora comes and you get an impact forward with the import draft then it's harder to see where you fit a third OA as it would need to be a higher end player, at least in my opinion, to take away the playing time of some of the younger guys.
I think Kindree stays in the mix next year. He was playing pretty decent hockey at the end of the year. It'd be too early to move off a player like him in my opinion.
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Just curious if anyone can recall, when was the last time the Attack 2nd round pick(s) reported to camp and didn't make the team? The Attack have a lot of bodies to sort out at both forward and D but I'd have to imagine the Attack find a way to get both Munnings and Jackman into the mix this season.
Last year the Attack wanted to go with 13F and 7D but were at times running with 15F and 9D with injuries and players coming in late like Dec. What is the ideal number this year? With the depth at both positions, does 14F and 8D work?
Last year the Attack wanted to go with 13F and 7D but were at times running with 15F and 9D with injuries and players coming in late like Dec. What is the ideal number this year? With the depth at both positions, does 14F and 8D work?
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In terms of actual second round picks, it's basically never happened under DeGray, but he has also traded away 2nd round picks a lot and there are many seasons where the team didn't pick in the second round.
So counting seasons where we didn't make any 2nd round picks (and usually had two third rounders to compensate) the last time it happened was 2016 when Jackson Doherty and Luke Beamish were the second and third players the team selected overall, and neither played a regular role at 16. The Attack were also a juggernaut at that time.
It'll be an interesting wrinkle this offseason to see if they sign their picks the way they have the last few offseasons prior to camp. I could understand having reservations about kids if they are on the small side but both Munnings and Jackman are over 6 feet and 180 plus pounds so physical maturity shouldn't be an issue. Might be an indicator of things to come if those kids specifically get signed early.
It was mentioned that Sykora was a 50/50 to report but I suspect the odds are likely better than that. He's expected to be picked in the middle rounds of the NHL draft and with the changes to the NCAA eligibility rules I'd imagine that the NHL club would prefer for him play in the OHL.
I think in general terms, the Attack coaching staff should be a feature of playing in Owen Sound. I think it's easier to sell kids on coming and joining the program when you can point to a season's worth of games to show that everybody plays and develops. Nobody sat for an extended amount of consecutive games or were sat in the third period in favour of playing the top guys this year. Even if you end up on the fourth line you know you're going to play.
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I have little doubt they'll pull out all the stops to get Jackman signed, and will be rolling the red carpet out for the Americans generally. We've been a 'have not' for so long when it comes to Americans, and only during the Bobby Ryan years were we ever a team to pull in quality American talent, this new era is the best time to change that perception.
How they do getting the Americans to report and have them develop well in the next 2-3 years is going to determine a lot about where the Attack sit in the league's pecking order for years to come. We can't be left out of competing for that expanded talent pool.
Unless the rules have been updated, I believe Jackman has to be signed to an A card as an American. He's committed to coming to camp but I'm not sure the team will commit to signing him unless they are sure he can stick for the year. I'd like to see him on the roster but with so many bodies that may not end up the case.
I can only go by what everyone seems to believe online, but Jackman seems to be a real 'get', and as such, they probably will be putting out all the stops to get him signed. If that means someone like Teresigni moves on, so be it.
I also can see the Attack moving on from Rogers if both Kwajah and McCrate commit. Adding both of them would give enough depth to move Rogers and pocket a fair amount of pics to get a better 06 or 07 perhaps. Plus, the structure of the D may be better if you are replacing Rogers with one of them. Smith would be the other that would move out, which is too bad as I did think he could be very good, but the previous coaching staffs bizarre inability to play him hurt him more then we can imagine I think.
I still think they need a true 1C to slot Deslile in a second line spot and get better depth. I also would have to think that Sykora is better then 50/50, why use a 3rd if it was.
Skyora - Deslile - MBuyi
Zurawski - Dec -Waddick
Crawford - Wray - Nansi
Jackman - Deslile - Kundree
Prud'Home??
I can see Waddick being a very quick upgrade. I also don't think that Varosyan returns, he was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and the team is only going to be deeper this year. Id love to see a higher end 05 or Import take that 1C spot and maybe bump Dec to the wing?
Petrovski - Bedkowski
Arnett - Kwajah
Roy - McCrate
Munnings
I like the mix of that alot, with only Petrovsky moving on at the end of the year.
George
Koprowski
Bennett
Trade one (George) and get another boatload, perhaps that's how you get your young 1C?
Jackman was in the 1st round on some lists. It would seem getting him at #41 is a pretty good bargain. Doesn't seem to be any questions about him coming, just whether or not he earns a roster spot for the season. In a normal year he'd be a lock but we have a lot of bodies this year that makes it more difficult. I think right now, Max Delisle is the only sure thing in the 09 group so far.
I don't disagree on the D picture but I don't think McCrate is all that likely. His NCAA commitment kicks in next season so unless he defers I don't expect we see him. I also don't believe Rogers has a whole lot of value. I think you'd get something for him but probably not as much as we'd like. I think Smith is likely safe unless somebody unexpected comes like McCrate or they draft an import D that pushes him out. He's pretty sound defensively but certainly not much in the offer in the offensive zone.
The coaching staff seems to like Waddick so he's probably back though I don't think it would be all that hard to upgrade. We'll see what the import draft brings as that may answer some questions. Consensus seems to be split on Varosyan.
I think Jacob Vandeven likely joins the team, last year's 5th round pick. He's a 6'5" center who had a nice year in the GOJHL. I'm less certain on Prud'homme. Dale DeGray was pretty high on him when they picked him but with so many bodies in the mix he may just fall to the outside. He did play three USHL games to close out the year for whatever that's worth. His stat sheet would suggest he brings a fair bit of snarl/sandpaper which they may like.
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