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Owen Sound Attack 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

Millpond said:
Bennett will most definitely start somewhere if he is NHL drafted .

If Koprowski is , his NHL team will insist on starts since he is on their dime.

I'd see Bennett moved as a favour for his development before the season starts, , Koprowski and Carter with a more balanced schedule ( maybe 10 weeks tops till Carter goes to Wld Jr camp), then the Attack moves him for a haul to a contender, including their now surplus goalie.
Then Matthew gets the bulk of games as the starter
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I hadn't considered the NHL camp and WJC games letting the other goalie get lots of first half starts. Even if Carter started 2/3 games he was available for, Koprowski is still looking at 15-ish starts by January.

I guess the other scenario could be a Koprowski/Bennett tandem? I wonder in terms of timing with the market, if the team is committed to trading George at some point, whether it makes more sense to move him in the summer as opposed to the deadline.

To answer one of the other posters above in terms of market, to me it screams Windsor as a contender who likely would want a top goalie next season, and they may want to fill that void before the season. They also have four 2008 born players that could be of real interest to the Attack (not including Belchetz), and picks. Otherwise we'd be looking at the deadline market where 09 first rounders come on the table, but that player will be less experienced than say the 08s teams could part with.

I think I'm starting to change my mind on this issue... as much as I'm skeptical the team will move George, the return for a contending season is almost too tempting.
 
OSAttackFan88 said:
What would they get in a return for Carter? 3 seconds? Plus
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I think start with the Barlow or Rehkopf returns as precedent. The goalie market can be a bit wonky because of demand, but two roster players and a bunch of picks would seem like the range. More than one roster player might be less appealing just given how many bodies we have, so + or - picks based on players coming back. Could help the team target the veteran help they'd want to add down the road.
 
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PensFan101 said:
I think start with the Barlow or Rehkopf returns as precedent. The goalie market can be a bit wonky because of demand, but two roster players and a bunch of picks would seem like the range. More than one roster player might be less appealing just given how many bodies we have, so + or - picks based on players coming back. Could help the team target the veteran help they'd want to add down the road.
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Would it be close to what the Dipetro Windsor goalie trade was?
 
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The potential return for Carter George would depend on when he’s traded - - at the start of the season or at the deadline.

Ryerson Leenders brought back THREE 2nds THREE 3rds a 4th and a 5th. Obviously he’s in the same category as George is talent wise, but he gives Brantford at least two full seasons in net with an outside possibility of a third season as an OA.

Owen Sound is pretty well stocked with draft picks, so it’s not like they “need” to deal George to restock their draft picks. If they’re in a position of having home ice in the playoffs, it might be more beneficial to just hold onto George and see how far they can go in the playoffs.
 
Owen Sound added a 5th round pick in this year's draft today. Hadn't seen any announcements out there but it's listed under the completed transactions on the OHL site. We didn't have a 5th or 6th round pick this year so that closes the gap a bit to the 7th round where we hold three picks.

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Stellar29 said:
Owen Sound added a 5th round pick in this year's draft today. Hadn't seen any announcements out there but it's listed under the completed transactions on the OHL site. We didn't have a 5th or 6th round pick this year so that closes the gap a bit to the 7th round where we hold three picks.

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The plot thickens
 
Millpond said:
Bennett will most definitely start somewhere if he is NHL drafted .

If Koprowski is , his NHL team will insist on starts since he is on their dime.

I'd see Bennett moved as a favour for his development before the season starts, , Koprowski and Carter with a more balanced schedule ( maybe 10 weeks tops till Carter goes to Wld Jr camp), then the Attack moves him for a haul to a contender, including their now surplus goalie.
Then Matthew gets the bulk of games as the starter
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Was thinking about this a bit and wouldn't Kitchener make a ton of sense for Bennett? Hometown kid, Schaubel being 17 could probably use another year as a back up. Bennett goes to school the following year and Schaubel takes over the net at 18. Would dealing with Kitchener, an in division trade, be a show stopper?

Other teams that would likely be interested in acquiring a goalie would be Oshawa(Oster graduates), Sudbury(Krawchuk headed to NCAA), Niagara(Flores graduates), Saginaw(Oke graduates), Erie(Erliden likely ages out as he would be a dual card OA/import), Flint(Day signed his ELC and unlikely to return as an OA), Soo(Lalonde graduates), and Sarnia(Surzycia graduates). Lots of teams that could use a goalie but not all are going to be hunting at the top of the market. I think Bennett would be an attractive piece for a number of those teams.
 
PensFan101 said:
I think start with the Barlow or Rehkopf returns as precedent. The goalie market can be a bit wonky because of demand, but two roster players and a bunch of picks would seem like the range. More than one roster player might be less appealing just given how many bodies we have, so + or - picks based on players coming back. Could help the team target the veteran help they'd want to add down the road.
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I suspect it would be a picks heavy transaction as to your point, we have a lot of bodies as it is. If we take a player back it's very likely jettisoning another body off the roster. That player would have to be a substantive upgrade I would suspect. I've been playing around a bit with the depth chart and there's very likely a few returning eligible players that won't be here next season. Some tough decisions coming up.
 
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Good add by DD ahead of the draft.

6 picks in the top-100 of the draft ahead of selection night gives the team a bit more to play with in the early part of the draft this year.

This year will be very interesting for selecting what could be top end prospects especially with the new NCAA ruling in place, will we see teams take more of a chance earlier on in picks.

But good for DD to add options to the draft chart either way.
 
Pretty intriguing to hear reports that Max D wants to play in OS with his bro. I wonder if teams will let him slide to 5? Or if someone takes him and makes OS pay a huge price to trade for him?
 
OSAttackFan88 said:
Pretty intriguing to hear reports that Max D wants to play in OS with his bro. I wonder if teams will let him slide to 5? Or if someone takes him and makes OS pay a huge price to trade for him?
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Huge price maybe...but we would have the 5th pick as well
 
DCruickshank said:
Huge price maybe...but we would have the 5th pick as well
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That's an intriguing scenario. Having picks #6 and #7 from the 08 draft and then having #3 and #5 in the 09 draft could make for a really high end talent pool. I really like the depth of the Attack's 08 draft as well, even more so if Kwajah comes, and if they can get some similar quality/depth in the 09 class you'd have an incredible foundation to build on.

The Attack should have the pieces to make that kind of trade. Dickinson as the 4th overall pick went for 3x2nds, 3x3rds, and a 5th for reference. Owen Sound has 4x2nds, 2x3rds, 2x4ths, and 6x5ths to deal from.

The price is steep but contrasted to a deadline deal for a 19 year old, it's great value as you can bring in the player and develop them over multiple seasons.
 
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Stellar29 said:
That's an intriguing scenario. Having picks #6 and #7 from the 08 draft and then having #3 and #5 in the 09 draft could make for a really high end talent pool. I really like the depth of the Attack's 08 draft as well, even more so if Kwajah comes, and if they can get some similar quality/depth in the 09 class you'd have an incredible foundation to build on.

The Attack should have the pieces to make that kind of trade. Dickinson as the 4th overall pick went for 3x2nds, 3x3rds, and a 5th for reference. Owen Sound has 4x2nds, 2x3rds, 2x4ths, and 6x5ths to deal from.

The price is steep but contrasted to a deadline deal for a 19 year old, it's great value as you can bring in the player and develop them over multiple seasons.
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I guess picks we could reacquire with a potential Carter George trade if they decide to move him. I’m honestly more intrigued to see if Jet and Roy show up in the fall
 
I just don't see the value in trading all those picks if Delisle got picked earlier but wanted to defect, given the top 5 guys are all rated approximately the same. Would rather those later picks be used to try and get the high end veteran help the team will need when they're ready to push.

Out of Guelph, Ottawa, and Sarnia ahead of us who have that choice (assuming McGregor goes to the Petes), If Delisle indicated he preferred Owen Sound or might not report, doesn't seem like much of a loss to pick one of the guys left who will show up. The exception being if the team valued the picks plus the deferred pick more, but it's a different calculus when it's London shelling out picks because they're less valuable to the Knights than they are for Owen Sound. We need them all and we need them consistently year after year to sustain the success we want, whereas teams like the Knights can scoop up any number of American players or high end imports.
 
PensFan101 said:
I just don't see the value in trading all those picks if Delisle got picked earlier but wanted to defect, given the top 5 guys are all rated approximately the same. Would rather those later picks be used to try and get the high end veteran help the team will need when they're ready to push.

Out of Guelph, Ottawa, and Sarnia ahead of us who have that choice (assuming McGregor goes to the Petes), If Delisle indicated he preferred Owen Sound or might not report, doesn't seem like much of a loss to pick one of the guys left who will show up. The exception being if the team valued the picks plus the deferred pick more, but it's a different calculus when it's London shelling out picks because they're less valuable to the Knights than they are for Owen Sound. We need them all and we need them consistently year after year to sustain the success we want, whereas teams like the Knights can scoop up any number of American players or high end imports.
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I see your point but I think spending the assets to get 4 years out of a player now is better than spending similar assets to get one year out of a player down the road. Risk isn't the same, I know. You're paying for what a player is at 19 rather than what a player might be at 16. Theoretically, that player you acquire at 16 means you don't necessarily need to chase talent in the buyers market later or can fish for lesser pieces because you've already got the top end guys. I think given the circumstances of having two high 1st rounders in the 08 class already(potentially 3 if you want to count Kwajah who was projected as a late 1st early 2nd round pick) and then follow it up with two high 1st rounders in the 09 class in the subsequent draft, you have a rare opportunity to stack high end talent in the 16 and 17 year age brackets who could play together for three seasons. I think it's that rare opportunity that's worth paying for.

It's strictly hypothetical at this point and unlikely to happen regardless but I think if it were to happen it would be a major win for Owen Sound. It would be refreshing to be on the acquiring side of the defected player spectrum.
 
Delisle is my favourite player in the draft. Aggressive and has a great shot.
My Pete's are going McGregor by the sound's of it though. Seeing Delisle end up in OS would be neat.
 
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