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OVG's plans for FirstOntario Centre in Hamilton, Ontario could include an AHL team.

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BKIslandersFan said:
Can we stick to the topic please? I am not interested in people fighting over Coyotes. There’s a thread for that.


Anyhow, is the renovated arena going to meet NHL standard or is it lipstick on a pig like what happened to Nassau Coliseum?
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Yes. Its going to be state-of-the art and is meant to lure first-tier acts. This was an effort to revive the arena not euthanize it like Nassau was.
 
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Not sure why Andlauer would want his minor league team over twice as far as it is now, harder to get players in on short notice.
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Hamilton to Ottawa is a pretty easy travel distance. Uber would probably take it at the very least. Makes dollars and sense for Ottawa to affiliate with Hamilton, keep a rivalry with Toronto closer to their fanbase.
 
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Hamilton to Ottawa is a pretty easy travel distance. Uber would probably take it at the very least. Makes dollars and sense for Ottawa to affiliate with Hamilton, keep a rivalry with Toronto closer to their fanbase.
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No , makes no sense, it’s a 2 hour 15 minute drive atm.
About 5 1/2 -6 hours, to Hamilton

Keeping a rivalry with Toronto, is not at the top of their wish list, and Belleville is only 2 hours away from TO, not to mention that there are rumours of the Marlies moving to Hamilton.
 
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No , makes no sense, it’s a 2 hour 15 minute drive atm.
About 5 1/2 -6 hours, to Hamilton

Keeping a rivalry with Toronto, is not at the top of their wish list, and Belleville is only 2 hours away from TO, not to mention that there are rumours of the Marlies moving to Hamilton.
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I think it's expanding their fanbase beyond the Ottawa market that would make sense and dollars, especially with a Hamilton invested owner. Belleville makes no sense, when you have a major airport in Hamilton. How many teams can directly access Hamilton without having to take another drive out of Toronto via plane. All the Canada West teams for sure, and I couldn't comment on the American cities.
 
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voyageur said:
Hamilton to Ottawa is a pretty easy travel distance. Uber would probably take it at the very least. Makes dollars and sense for Ottawa to affiliate with Hamilton, keep a rivalry with Toronto closer to their fanbase.
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It’s a six hour drive at least 8 hours if hitting GTA rush hour
 
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I think it's expanding their fanbase beyond the Ottawa market that would make sense and dollars, especially with a Hamilton invested owner. Belleville makes no sense, when you have a major airport in Hamilton. How many teams can directly access Hamilton without having to take another drive out of Toronto via plane. All the Canada West teams for sure, and I couldn't comment on the American cities.
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You never commented on the Marlies rumours.
There way more chance of that happening. then moving a franchise that is currently only a 2 hour drive away.
 
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You never commented on the Marlies rumours.
There way more chance of that happening. then moving a franchise that is currently only a 2 hour drive away.
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I haven't heard them. That's why I can't comment on them. I just know that the man who owns the junior Bulldogs is the same man who owns the Senators, so there is some applied logic there. Not sure if Andlauer has any game in the First Ontario renovations seems like he was pissed about moving his OHL team out. It does seem like he would be the guy. Not sure what Leafs would gain by moving Marlies to Hamilton. Lot easier to scout in your own backyard. 5 of the 7 Canadian teams have gone that way.
 
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I haven't heard them. That's why I can't comment on them. I just know that the man who owns the junior Bulldogs is the same man who owns the Senators, so there is some applied logic there. Not sure if Andlauer has any game in the First Ontario renovations seems like he was pissed about moving his OHL team out. It does seem like he would be the guy. Not sure what Leafs would gain by moving Marlies to Hamilton. Lot easier to scout in your own backyard. 5 of the 7 Canadian teams have gone that way.
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Here’s the thread from HFB on the rumour

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So it’s likely Marlies, but could be Senators with the ownership’s connections.
 

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If I were a Hamilton resident, I reckon I wouldn't be interested in the AHL. If you couldn't deliver an NHL team to me, I'd prefer the OHL back in town the second renovations are done.
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The OHL didn't work that well either. People in Hamilton aren't hockey fans unless it's NHL hockey. IMO Belleville moving to Hamilton wouldn't work well cause it's Ottawa's team.
 
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Shouldn’t a team be playing somewhere else, 19,000 seat arena seems to big for OHL or AHL.
 
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Dodgers AAA affiliate is in freaking OKC, I don't think distance between parent team and minor league team matters as much as people like tho believe.
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I think it matters up until the point where you have to get on a plane when comparing two locations. That is to say it matters more for eastern teams than western teams. Being able to get a call up on a days or even a few tours notice is important.
 
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How many does Canada Life Centre have?
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From what I've been able to find on the Internet, there are 50 luxury suites at CLC in WInnipeg. That being said, I also noitced a 2023 reference about 3 suites being turned into a lounge, so I don't know if the 50 suites is before or after that number. So, it would appear that the number is either 47 or 50.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
No , makes no sense, it’s a 2 hour 15 minute drive atm.
About 5 1/2 -6 hours, to Hamilton

Keeping a rivalry with Toronto, is not at the top of their wish list, and Belleville is only 2 hours away from TO, not to mention that there are rumours of the Marlies moving to Hamilton.
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Why argues with a guy who doesn't check his atlas?
 
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stealth1 said:
The OHL didn't work that well either. People in Hamilton aren't hockey fans unless it's NHL hockey. IMO Belleville moving to Hamilton wouldn't work well cause it's Ottawa's team.
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They would be making the same mistake the Oilers, Canucks, and Habs have done and what the Leafs want to do.

Belleville to Toronto Union Station is about 2hrs by train. While many may mock VIA Rail, it gives an advantage that Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal are on the main line. A player can be called after breakfast and arrive well before the puck drops. If they are on a road trip, they can send them through TO to catch a flight to link up with the team.

The state of the Canadian AHL teams has very little to do with "convenience" or "ease of scouting". NHL teams would have scouts as part of the team so making it easier is just a business fiction. The case is that they have nowhere else to really put their teams. Belleville works because players can move more easily between within the Atlantic Division. Same goes with the Oilers placing their team in Bakersfield.

If it was ever about "convenience" the Canucks would have their team downtown or at the Pacific Coliseum, not in Abbotsford.

The Jets and Habs don't have realistic markets to put their teams in while the Flames have burned too many bridges. The Leafs care more about have a justification for MLSE running the Coliseum.
 
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