Overdrive & Kyper and Bourne - Leafs Discussion Week of May 20

[stealth1]

then they'll always be mental midgets who dont want to be legacy players. would anybody care about the Kobe brand if he played for the Orlando Magic? theres an appeal to play on the Lakers. none of these hockey players can hold a candle to guys like Kobe, MJ, Lebron, Ohtani, Ronaldo, Suarez etc and thats why those guys are global phenoms and no one cares about Tkachuks playing hockey in florida.

That's not why at all. Hockey players are hard to market due to type of game hockey is and how niche it is to most of the world. It has nothing to do with the mental side of things. Hockey players are very team first for the most part. For most winning a Stanley Cup no matter the city means more than some legacy.

 

[Daisy Jane]

no he picked sunrise; you can find this information online he narrowed it down to St Louis, Carolina and Sunrise and effectively held Calgary hostage to move him to one of those three places.

they are private and quiet just means theyre not rockstars theyre fragile lol what's the difference between a poor Uruguayan and a farm boy from strathroy? why does the Uruguayan become the face of Liverpool and Barcelona on the international stage for a decade? you dont think he was private and quiet having grown up in the streets?

hockey players dont want to be rockstars theyre mental midgets

first of all thank you for the tax info.
second of all. i will say there are reserved people and tha's fair. but you can be quiet and reserved and still be the fact of hockey. because you know that's what's going to be. and im sorry you become a celebrity and you want all the millions and the cars and the whatever and STILL be invisible to the people who are responsible for you being rich?


If I have to go to work and deal with people.
YOU go to work and deal with people. life sucks. deal wth it.

 

[stealth1]

but they want the money it generates. you can't have buttered toast on both sides and expect a clean plate.

Regardless of where they play, top players get paid. To them there isn't much of a difference in playing in Toronto or Florida money wise. The bigger difference is playing in Florida they can go about their daily lives without fans bothering them. Have death threats like Marner had.

 

[LaPlante94]

no its because he's a Weiner and doesnt like the bright lights. I'll give him st Louis because it's his home town but Berube's leafs didnt really look aggressive to me this year. Brindamour's teams aren't aggressive in your face theyre just shot volume monsters

Who goes on a talk show like Jimmy Fallon or those other 2 very popular shows if they don't like the bright lights though? Guy was even trying to get the US president to come watch their game with Canada to bring more attention to the game. I'm sure you're not wrong when it comes to a majority of players but I don't think that's the case with Tkachuk.

Berube does play that system but our team wasn't built for it. That's how he wants to play. Fast and in your face. Brind'Amour and the Canes have always been fast and in your face and it's why everyone hates to play against them because you have no time and space on the ice. It's why they can just chuck shots from everywhere because they are hounding the puck anytime there's a rebound, just like how Maurice plays.

 

[WillNy29]

Who goes on a talk show like Jimmy Fallon or those other 2 very popular shows if they don't like the bright lights though? Guy was even trying to get the US president to come watch their game with Canada to bring more attention to the game. I'm sure you're not wrong when it comes to a majority of players but I don't think that's the case with Tkachuk.

Berube does play that system but our team wasn't built for it. That's how he wants to play. Fast and in your face. Brind'Amour and the Canes have always been fast and in your face and it's why everyone hates to play against them because you have no time and space on the ice. It's why they can just chuck shots from everywhere because they are hounding the puck anytime there's a rebound, just like how Maurice plays.

he goes on those shows as a mouthy yank that no one really knows. he loves to hear himself speak, he doesnt love to play under the bright lights. Boston played aggressive hockey why not force your way to there? you know why because he's a p***y

 

[WillNy29]

first of all thank you for the tax info.
second of all. i will say there are reserved people and tha's fair. but you can be quiet and reserved and still be the fact of hockey. because you know that's what's going to be. and im sorry you become a celebrity and you want all the millions and the cars and the whatever and STILL be invisible to the people who are responsible for you being rich?


If I have to go to work and deal with people.
YOU go to work and deal with people. life sucks. deal wth it.

being reserved is different than what hockey players are. look at Lionel Messi and Luka Modric probably the quietest guys but never shied away from playing for Barcelona and Real Madrid while winning titles and becoming immortalized because they crave legacy.

 

[WillNy29]

That's not why at all. Hockey players are hard to market due to type of game hockey is and how niche it is to most of the world. It has nothing to do with the mental side of things. Hockey players are very team first for the most part. For most winning a Stanley Cup no matter the city means more than some legacy.

lol imagine praising guys who dont want to win in big markets because of "the culture they were raised in." no man they want the money and anonymity because theyre soft man babies. imagine not wanting to be truly immortalized

 

[notDatsyuk]

Too bad he didn’t take his own advice and not acquire Laughton, what a waste……

When your boss tells you to do something....

 

[colchar]

The country club atmosphere needs to go, Tre didn’t change that so imho he’s part of the problem.

What a stupid take.

You have no idea how much of a chance he had to change it with Shanny in charge.

Having said that he did ice the best D this teams had in a long time, but in my eyes he’s made as many bad moves as good, he needs to be better……..

He significantly improved the team.

 

[colchar]

How long have you been watching this team?

Not even remotely relevant to what the other poster said.

 

[LaPlante94]

he goes on those shows as a mouthy yank that no one really knows. he loves to hear himself speak, he doesnt love to play under the bright lights. Boston played aggressive hockey why not force your way to there? you know why because he's a p***y

The fact still remains he wouldn't go on those shows if he was afraid of the spotlight. He could easily just avoid all of that stuff and enjoy his life on the beach and play hockey. Maybe he didn't want to join Boston because they had an aging core that he thought would retire soon and didn't want to get stuck there and commit for a long term deal just to be apart of a rebuilding team for most of his contract. Who knows.

 

[colchar]

Kypreos issued a warning that players may not want to play here anymore.

He's still concussed from his playing days, don't listen to him.

 

[WillNy29]

The fact still remains he wouldn't go on those shows if he was afraid of the spotlight. He could easily just avoid all of that stuff and enjoy his life on the beach and play hockey. Maybe he didn't want to join Boston because they had an aging core that he thought would retire soon and didn't want to get stuck there and commit for a long term deal just to be apart of a rebuilding team for most of his contract. Who knows.

thanks for making my point for me.

 

[stealth1]

lol imagine praising guys who dont want to win in big markets because of "the culture they were raised in." no man they want the money and anonymity because theyre soft man babies. imagine not wanting to be truly immortalized

If the big markets had winning teams players would join them more for 1. The other thing you're ignoring is that most top tier players stay with the team that drafted them for the most part. This isn't the NBA where guys change teams every year and build superteams.

You're just pissed cause big name guys have no interest in coming to Toronto to make a legacy for themselves. Face it McDavid will stay in Edmonton like Crosby stayed in Pittsburgh and Ovechkin stayed in Washington.

 

[WillNy29]

If the big markets had winning teams players would join them more for 1. The other thing you're ignoring is that most top tier players stay with the team that drafted them for the most part. This isn't the NBA where guys change teams every year and build superteams.

You're just pissed cause big name guys have no interest in coming to Toronto to make a legacy for themselves. Face it McDavid will stay in Edmonton like Crosby stayed in Pittsburgh and Ovechkin stayed in Washington.

hey man im not mad im calling it like I see it. the lakers were a shit show and Lebron still went and then stayed so thats a bad excuse.

NHL players are weird soft man babies and deserve to be called as such. its also why guys like P Kane and Kadri get maligned because theyre rockstars.

 

[LaPlante94]

thanks for making my point for me.

By saying he could enjoy the beach and hockey like any normal person not wanting to be a rockstar would do? I still don't get it? So instead of quietly enjoying the beach and playing hockey he goes on media tours to promote hockey and all that and joke around quite a bit with media people.

 

[colchar]

Regardless of where they play, top players get paid. To them there isn't much of a difference in playing in Toronto or Florida money wise.

Of course there is. Taxes are far higher here than in Florida.

 

[colchar]

hey man im not mad im calling it like I see it. the lakers were a shit show and Lebron still went and then stayed so thats a bad excuse.

NHL players are weird soft man babies and deserve to be called as such. its also why guys like P Kane and Kadri get maligned because theyre rockstars.

You're special.

 

[stealth1]

hey man im not mad im calling it like I see it. the lakers were a shit show and Lebron still went and then stayed so thats a bad excuse.

NHL players are weird soft man babies and deserve to be called as such. its also why guys like P Kane and Kadri get maligned because theyre rockstars.

I do agree that the league should embrace guys like P Kane and Kadri for being rockstars.

I have no interest in going back to the no cap days where all the big free agents always went to the big markets. I like how it is now where all teams have a chance to keep their drafted stars.

 

[stealth1]

Of course there is. Taxes are far higher here than in Florida.

Taxes are higher here but in general my point was money isn't why players choose teams. Maybe for guys on the downside of their career will take the highest pay. For the most part it's usually comes down to length of contract and chance to win.

 

[WillNy29]

Of course there is. Taxes are far higher here than in Florida.

not necessarily true on the tax front.

 

[Daisy Jane]

You have no idea how much of a chance he had to change it with Shanny in charge.

it's not even that - how would you even change it in one year? like realistically. - i get people want change but you can't just snap your fingers and go "poof, no more problem."

I have no interest in going back to the no cap days where all the big free agents always went to the big markets. I like how it is now where all teams have a chance to keep their drafted stars.

not me. if teams want to keep their drafted stars, pay them. if you don't have the money that shouldn't; be the teams that can's fault or problem. and we can't have a luxury tax or whatever that allows the teams who CAN put [and keep] fans in seats (ie: us, who are "the problem") and be treated like we're poor, AND THEN get kicked for it.

rich teams [like the leafs] bank roll the league and then we're told we're the problem, no one wants to come here because you want to be invisible. so be invisible. don't get paid for it. try to win. teams like the Rangers, Flyers, Wings, Leafs etc, who can pay and want to win should get whom they want. end of story.

 

[stealth1]

it's not even that - how would you even change it in one year? like realistically. - i get people want change but you can't just snap your fingers and go "poof, no more problem."



not me. if teams want to keep their drafted stars, pay them. if you don't have the money that shouldn't; be the teams that can's fault or problem. and we can't have a luxury tax or whatever that allows the teams who CAN put [and keep] fans in seats (ie: us, who are "the problem") and be treated like we're poor, AND THEN get kicked for it.

rich teams [like the leafs] bank roll the league and then we're told we're the problem, no one wants to come here because you want to be invisible. so be invisible. don't get paid for it. try to win. teams like the Rangers, Flyers, Wings, Leafs etc, who can pay and want to win should get whom they want. end of story.

That's the thing, with the system in place now teams can pay their drafted stars and keeps them competitive. Players signed in Edmonton cause of McDavid, so I don't buy the invisible argument. Players just don't want to come to Toronto. Prior to the Cap it was the same.

 

[Daisy Jane]

That's the thing, with the system in place now teams can pay their drafted stars and keeps them competitive. Players signed in Edmonton cause of McDavid, so I don't buy the invisible argument. Players just don't want to come to Toronto. Prior to the Cap it was the same.

people didnt sign in Canada prior to the cap because our dollar was a peso. (well it still is but it works out). my second (and third) favourite teamsin the pre-cap era - were teams that weren't rich at all, so it's not me saying "Only Toronto hurr hurr hurr."


like I said. my team shouldn't have to bankroll the majority of the league, and then those teams pay their superstars to stay there, and then complain how our fanbase sucks. you don;t have to buy the invisible thing but that's what we're talking about if it just means not being in the public eye or dealing with the media or whatever they just want to go to the rink, and not be critiized for it. then do that. but then deal with the consequences of doing that. in this case that's called. being poor.

 

[stealth1]

people didnt sign in Canada prior to the cap because our dollar was a peso. (well it still is but it works out). my second (and third) favourite teamsin the pre-cap era - were teams that weren't rich at all, so it's not me saying "Only Toronto hurr hurr hurr."


like I said. my team shouldn't have to bankroll the majority of the league, and then those teams pay their superstars to stay there, and then complain how our fanbase sucks. you don;t have to buy the invisible thing but that's what we're talking about if it just means not being in the public eye or dealing with the media or whatever they just want to go to the rink, and not be critiized for it. then do that. but then deal with the consequences of doing that. in this case that's called. being poor.

So you're saying that if players want to play in small markets that's fine but they should be paid less for doing so. Big markets like Toronto shouldn't be penalized as much as they are cause they bankroll the NHL.