Overdrive & Kyper and Bourne - Leafs Discussion Week of May 20

[rumman]

Don't even joke about that.

Shanahan doesn’t visit the Blue Goise anymore because he knows he wouldn’t make it out alive, Mimico deserves better……

 

[rumman]

Tre has been of record several times saying he's not a fan of trying to build a team at the trade deadline.

Think of which member of 'management' was most likely to get the boot if we didn't have better results this year, and I think you'll figure out who was the impetus for the deadline activity.

Too bad he didn’t take his own advice and not acquire Laughton, what a waste……

 

[hullsy47]

It's not a very logical case, but there's absolutely a business case for bringing Shanahan back - he's guaranteed them playoff home dates every year, and they are coming off a season where they just had SEVEN playoff home games.

The sheer amount of money they've made the past month with those home playoff games is absurd.

That's the one and only angle where Shanahan has a case to continue running as president

Treliving gave up

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It's not a very logical case, but there's absolutely a business case for bringing Shanahan back - he's guaranteed them playoff home dates every year, and they are coming off a season where they just had SEVEN playoff home games.

The sheer amount of money they've made the past month with those home playoff games is absurd.

That's the one and only angle where Shanahan has a case to continue running as president

If their goal is guaranteed playoff dates then every single one of us is wasting our time.

 

[ToneDog]

/HAyes makes a good point

what would have taken for Matthews to come out and address all those bogus / trolling comments by FLA saying theres too muych pressure, go easy on them

hayes said all he had to do was put a hammer on that and say its nonsense. theres no pressure, its just hockey. yes we have failed here and we all need to be better including myself

Berube would not answer when asked about Tkachuk saying the Leafs would be a better team elsewhere.

Marchand, Tkachuk and Maurice trolling the Leafs and barely a response from this loser organization.

 

[Metroid]

Kypreos issued a warning that players may not want to play here anymore.

That's fine. I think the fans may not want to fan here anymore.

Good we don't want weak willed players here too.
The ones that wanna come here when no one else does is a good thing for us.

 

[A1LeafNation]

It wasn't just that though, the Lightning leaders met that summer and decided that everyone had to change their approach. Just being the more skilled team wasn't enough, they decided they had to play tougher from top to bottom.

The Leafs on the other hand must have recognized the change the first time they met the Bolts the next season, saw that new attitude carry them to a Cup and our boys decided "Meh, not for me."

Every year the Leafs brass find a different setup to surround the stars with in hopes that the depth/blueline will basically be the Goodrow and Coleman. But it's not enough.

So, for the hundredth time over the past few years I'll repeat it: As long as this core is the core, they'll never winning anything. They know exactly what they need to do to win and they simply refuse to do it.

Therefore, if the Leafs got themselves 3 Sam Bennetts it wouldn't be enough if Auston, Mitch & Willie are the other 3 in the top 6.

I think Leafs changed their approach under Berube this year to play that type of game. It looks like we are missing a couple dawgs.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Good we don't want weak willed players here too.
The ones that wanna come here when no one else does is a good thing for us.

Yet weirdly, Stanley Cup Champions balk at playing in Toronto. See: Tkachuk.

Interesting, isn't it?

 

[Tak7]

If their goal is guaranteed playoff dates then every single one of us is wasting our time.

SkyNet has become self-aware

 

[Metroid]

Yet weirdly, Stanley Cup Champions balk at playing in Toronto. See: Tkachuk.

Interesting, isn't it?

Chalk it up to trolling and or rage bait. Tkachuk winning in Toronto would make him immortal. Winning in Florida makes him a champion.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Nick Algebra doesn't know anything.

He knows how to trim eyebrows

 

[Cleetus]

I think Leafs changed their approach under Berube this year to play that type of game. It looks like we are missing a couple dawgs.

Exactly we need a few Dawgs!

 

[Suntouchable13]

Exactly we need a few Dawgs!

We have some of those "dawgs". Look at how cute JT is, still producing in the regular season at 34 years of age but during crunch time he is no where to be found.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

SkyNet has become self-aware

Then can it please nuke us into oblivion and get it over with because I'm frigging tired

 

[Tak7]

Then can it please nuke us into oblivion and get it over with because I'm frigging tired

Thanks for slamming down my lay-up.
What a perfect reply

 

[Buds17]

Yet weirdly, Stanley Cup Champions balk at playing in Toronto. See: Tkachuk.

Interesting, isn't it?

He might just enjoy playing in his home country more though. Kind of interesting that all three Tkachuks started out with Canadian teams.

 

[Buds17]

Too bad he didn’t take his own advice and not acquire Laughton, what a waste……

I'm holding out a bit of hope for some good to come with a full season and a free agent contract in the offing (even if Toronto isn't going to be the team which offers it).

 

[Tak7]

Yet weirdly, Stanley Cup Champions balk at playing in Toronto. See: Tkachuk.

Interesting, isn't it?

The guy who ran away from Calgary to a market that had 10 fans, because he couldn't stand the pressure of playing McDavid his entire career, is the last guy I'd be listening to for advice on pressure, tbh.

I do think the Leafs need to be careful though - hockey is a fraternity. One big extended group chat. If it starts getting around that Toronto is no longer a desirable place to play, it's no longer lip service. The optics of all these comments coming just a short time before Marner walks for nothing after facing years of abuse and criticism here, is going to continue sending ripples across the league with players and their agents.

Remember - Ryan O'Rielly wanted no part of the circus here. David Perron reportedly felt Ottawa had "less noise" than Toronto and opted to be a Senator. The Leafs are really on the precipous where they need to get ahead of this before it starts really effecting their ability to build a team.

 

[Commander Clueless]

The guy who ran away from Calgary to a market that had 10 fans, because he couldn't stand the pressure of playing McDavid his entire career, is the last guy I'd be listening to for advice on pressure, tbh.

I do think the Leafs need to be careful though - hockey is a fraternity. One big extended group chat. If it starts getting around that Toronto is no longer a desirable place to play, it's no longer lip service. The optics of all these comments coming just a short time before Marner walks for nothing after facing years of abuse and criticism here, is going to continue sending ripples across the league with players and their agents.

Remember - Ryan O'Rielly wanted no part of the circus here. David Perron reportedly felt Ottawa had "less noise" than Toronto and opted to be a Senator. The Leafs are really on the precipous where they need to get ahead of this before it starts really effecting their ability to build a team.

Yeah I mean if anything, Tkachuk is exactly the guy to talk to about this. Because he did exactly what he's suggesting and found a lot of success.

Hard to argue with the results.

We often associate fortitude to put up with pressure with Champions. But assuming Maurice, Marchand and Tkachuk aren't simply trolling, that might not be how the players and coaches see it. It's an interesting thought experiment.

But there's nothing really you can do about it if you're the Leafs, except try and get lucky I guess. Get players who want to be here and thrive under pressure, then hope they are blessed by the hockey gods.


Maurice finally said it. What we've all known and feared. We are little more than the NHL's cash cows. And comic relief.

A dark day in Leafland for sure.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yeah I mean if anything, Tkachuk is exactly the guy to talk to about this. Because he did exactly what he's suggesting and found a lot of success.

Hard to argue with the results.

We often associate fortitude to put up with pressure with Champions. But assuming Maurice, Marchand and Tkachuk aren't simply trolling, that might not be how the players and coaches see it. It's an interesting thought experiment.

But there's nothing really you can do about it if you're the Leafs, except try and get lucky I guess. Get players who want to be here and thrive under pressure, then hope they are blessed by the hockey gods.


Maurice finally said it. What we've all known and feared. We are little more than the NHL's cash cows. And comic relief.

A dark day in Leafland for sure.

But the team didn’t have playoff success when there was relatively no pressure in 2017, 2018, and 2019. I don’t know if pressure is all that. All fans want to see is a good effort, not whatever game 5 and 7 were. Maybe make the occasional deep run? There is no real pressure here to do anything. So it's better to be in a place where you have a SC parade in a parking lot?

 

[Commander Clueless]

But the team didn’t have playoff success when there was relatively no pressure in 2017, 2018, and 2019. I don’t know if pressure is all that. All fans want to see is a good effort, not whatever game 5 and 7 were. Maybe make the occasional deep run? There is no real pressure here to do anything. So it's better to be in a place where you have a SC parade in a parking lot?

I mean you could easily argue that there wasn't any pressure on this team when there weren't even fans in the building during COVID.

Point I'm making is if this is legitimately how NHL players and coaches feel and not one of the sport's greatest troll jobs, I have to assume it comes from somewhere and has a real world impact of some sort.

Maybe it doesn't apply to everyone but the reigning champs certainly seem to think it makes a big impact.

Only "fix" I can think of is to get players who want to be here, play well under pressure, and hope you get lucky.

 

[blue stick]

He might just enjoy playing in his home country more though. Kind of interesting that all three Tkachuks started out with Canadian teams.

Their Mom is from Winnipeg

 

[The Masters]

shanny granted means hes gone - hayes

 

[ToneDog]

Kyper's number 1 reason why Leafs are where they are today? Replacing Lou with Dubas instead of Hunter. The damage Dubas caused is next level my friends.

 

[wingman75]

Kyper's number 1 reason why Leafs are where they are today? Replacing Lou with Dubas instead of Hunter. The damage Dubas caused is next level my friends.

Many felt that was true when he was here.

Everyone should be willing to admit it in hindsight.

That was 5 wasted seasons.

The progression they made this year (systems, play style, changing players habbits, etc.) should have all happened after the 18-19 season.

Instead the team made zero progression from 19-20 through 22-23.

Swing and a miss with that hire.