No I realize that, a majority of Malkin and Crosby’s point totals have come out of the first two rounds. Which isn’t uncommon, especially Crosby, who has a crazy PPG from the first round alone.
I think that’s a reach, to suggest they could have scored but decided to be more “complete” players. I don’t know who you are referring to but it’s already been proven that many haven’t scored at the pace or at the level Ovechkin has, which is why he’s in the conversation as the goat. He does what he does best, and that’s score goals. Just because last greats were more offensively dynamic doesn’t mean they could have scored more goals and had been more dominant and “decided” not to.
Ovechkin does one thing arguably better than anyone else in the history of the game, and it happens to be scoring goals.....which is the key to the game itself, to score. That should get more praise than his “lack of” whatever it is that many try to suggest makes him less.
Only fix minded posters like yourself would say otherwise. You honestly think they are the same style? Same kind of player? One is a goal scorer, the other a playmaker. One is about speed and physicality, the other about Finesse and possession. One is a center, one is a winger....
how you can sit there and suggest otherwise is beyond me. They aren’t similar even in the slightest, and any intelligent hockey fan would agree with me....
And yet piling on more than half your points in the first round is? Again, your standards are all over the place and you use them at your convenience. If you actually knew anything, you would at least understand that it’s harder to score in the playoffs, and despite playing 30 more games than Ovechkin, Crosby only has one more goal.
His “under PPG” production is 126 points in 128 games, a .98 PPG. It still sits third since ‘06 only behind Crosby and Malkin. His 65 goals is only second to Crosby. He’s been a great playoff performer, respect his production for what it is rather than how it isn’t Crosby’s.
Jagr actually has great playoff production. I honestly have no clue what your talking about. He has 2 cups with 201 points in 208 games, which is 5th best ALL TIME. Sure he isn’t a PPG, but that’s what happens when you play more games for longer in your career. He had some deep playoff runs well into his 40s that weren’t the most productive, while his peak was without Lemieux a majority of the time on mediocre teams, yet his playoff production during those years was still great.
Isn’t it the same logic then to say that some of the top 10 are lacking in what Ovechkin is superior at? I mean this goes into really what you see or value more. Outside of the big 4, who arguably was a better goal scorer, had a better peak/prime, and was more consistent? I can only think of Hull, Bourque, and Roy at the moment. Of course Crosby is there too.
2 years ago he wouldn’t be considered an all time great at all without ANY playoff success. He needed a cup, and if lucky, a smythe to even be considered. His regular seasons resume alone is superior to a good chunk of the top 20....but he would never rank higher because of his playoff resume.
2 years later, he has a Stanley cup and smythe, but now he needs MORE playoff success. It’s the constant goal posts moving that I am referring to. This guy is arguably the best LW to ever play, or at least 2nd best at worst. He still has playoff success, but that doesn’t seem to have made a dent in certain posters way of thinking.
I mean, you ask, how many have better more well rounded resumes, careers....but how many outside of the top 4 have a peak like Ovechkin? How many dominated a certain part of the game like Ovechkin has goal scoring wise? The list seems to be heavily favored towards playoffs, especially O6 teams, which IMO is skewed but that’s just me.
If he ends up leading the entire NHL in goals overall, that’s a feature that many felt wouldn’t be broken, and would definitely round up his entire career. It would be hard to say he isn’t a top 10 player after that.
Your entire point is more pucks=better player. That’s been your stance, but now that that line of thinking has been exposed, THEN it’s....”well anyone can get lucky playing on good teams!”
