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Sparepart said:
Sorry that I can't do it in your style of debating. I just don't like calling other people gay and using that as my main argument.
sparepart said:
another great point from you.
MOGiLNY said:
No, I said that its unfair to compare the two right now because of the difference in age/leagues. We'll never know how Crosby will perform in a mens-league until he actually plays in one.
At no point was this discussion ever intelligent (or necessary). FYI I'm probably the least homophobic person around, I could just as easily make jokes about myself as I am of you.
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MOGiLNY said:
For the record, I never did actually call you gay. I said you were gaying up the thread, and sticking with the thread-theme I suggested that you should adopt the flag of "Uruquay" . But not once did I call you gay
, if you want to get specific. Maybe you perceived it as being implied, but hey thats not my fault 
Like I've said already, this thread is pointless. Your main point is basically...
What Ovechkin is doing now in a mens league.
Vs
What YOU THINK Crosby would do in a mens league.
I think I'll stop posting in this thread now, unless of course you want to continue with me?
Sparepart said:
I've never had a problem making jokes about myself neither, but when you have to call others gay to prove a point, you've got a problem.
I'll stop "gaying up" the thread now.
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Hey I have a Vietnamese flag and I live in Sweden so where I "live" is neutral, but I still choose Crosby over Ovechkin.
Crosby is actually 5-11 and 193 pounds, that is solid and he is 2 years younger than Ovechkin not 1 year. And how would anyone know if Crosby would have made the Russian team during WC or not, but IMO he would have made it. I think Crosby is better than Malkin and Zherdev.
And so what if Ovechkin dominate the RSL men league? so does Rosa but he have not done a squat in NHL. And look at Kovalchuk he sucks in RSL but he is great in NHL.
Crosby is actually 5-11 and 193 pounds, that is solid and he is 2 years younger than Ovechkin not 1 year. And how would anyone know if Crosby would have made the Russian team during WC or not, but IMO he would have made it. I think Crosby is better than Malkin and Zherdev.
And so what if Ovechkin dominate the RSL men league? so does Rosa but he have not done a squat in NHL. And look at Kovalchuk he sucks in RSL but he is great in NHL.
Roberto Luongo said:
Fact is Ovechkin is more physical than Crosby
Fact is Crosby is ovensively more talented than Ovechkin
Fact is Ovechkin will be a better defensive as Crosby
Fact is Crosby will be better at the offensive end
So i have to choose crosby because in todays defensive minded nhl a player like crosby is more worth.
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Lionel Hutz
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MOGiLNY said:
Maybe you should ask yourself what did Oveckhin do at last year's juniors or at the world cup or at this year's juniors? I think Oveckhin is vastly overrated. Malkin will be a much better hockey player. And right now Crosby stands head and shoulders above Oveckhin. This junior tournement will prove that.
Except if Ovechkin was Canadian and Crosby was Russian,then it would be Crosby with a bullet!!!!Reilly311 said:
ktownhockey
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Crosby for sure..
Ovechkin is an awesome player... as most will agree..
Crosby has that certain something that other players don't.. he wins EVERY battle.. its incredible...
people say he's SMALL.. that's brutal.. it doesn't effect him and never will.. he's too smart and strong in the legs to lose those battles..
Right now you can use Ovechkin as ur pick because he's from Russia.. and younger players their gain greater opportunities to shine as young players ie. world cup... but at the end of the day.. Crosby's who I'd take...
Ovechkin is an awesome player... as most will agree..
Crosby has that certain something that other players don't.. he wins EVERY battle.. its incredible...
people say he's SMALL.. that's brutal.. it doesn't effect him and never will.. he's too smart and strong in the legs to lose those battles..
Right now you can use Ovechkin as ur pick because he's from Russia.. and younger players their gain greater opportunities to shine as young players ie. world cup... but at the end of the day.. Crosby's who I'd take...
ktownhockey said:
Of course it doesnt affect him..he's playing against a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds.
ktownhockey said:
You couldnt be more off. In most European leagues, young guys get absolutely no opportunity to shine, unless they are a special, special player like Ovechkin(remember Kovalchuck's RSL stats were nothing special at all).
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OvenChicken!
Crosby has been cursed by Gretzky. Within 2 years of his NHL debut somebody is going to Gary Suter his ass and after that he will be no better than Paul Kariya was in 2003-2004! Even if somebody doesn't Gary Suter his ass, he won't be that good. He'll end up being a... crappy version of Mike Modano without any defensive ability whatsoever.
You can count on that.
Crosby has been cursed by Gretzky. Within 2 years of his NHL debut somebody is going to Gary Suter his ass and after that he will be no better than Paul Kariya was in 2003-2004! Even if somebody doesn't Gary Suter his ass, he won't be that good. He'll end up being a... crappy version of Mike Modano without any defensive ability whatsoever.
You can count on that.
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hmm from what iv'e seen in the 20 or so times crosby played he was one of the better defensive players on the ice.i think his defensive game is remarkable for a 17 year old.how many times have you seen sid live because he does things outside of the camera that perhaps you didn't see.imo he'll be as good or better than mike modano.how do you know someone won't "gary suter" ovechkin's ass.it can happen to anyone.Staze19 said:
I enjoy watching both of them, and I'm looking forward to seeing both of them play in the NHL, whenever that is...
The problem with arguments in favour of either player is that they're all flawed, which is what makes this discussion pretty pointless...we won't know anything until the NHL season starts up and/if both are playing regularly on different teams. Having said that, scouts and gm's obviously have to make this sort of determination all the time...
From a marketing standpoint, you have to take Crosby, he's obviously more polished and charismatic to North American audiences. That doesn't help you much on the ice though so it can't be your only consideration, but it may be an edge that would steer some to Crosby's side if their talent is so close that it's tough to call. If you think you're getting a stud player either way, you take the guy who can draw fans and sell jerseys on top of all that.
Ovechkin is further along in his development because he plays in the RSL, and Crosby has nowhere else but junior to play. However, there's very little evidence of how Ovechkin will play in North America...while he was one of the few Russians to score in the World Cup, his own coach didn't trust him enough to play him consistently and Russia didn't progress far enough. So far Crosby has been better in the WJC than Ovechkin, although Crosby has played against two weak teams and Ovechkin had to face the USA first game...it appears to me just based on what I've seen so far of both (which is probably not nearly as much as most others have seen) that Crosby is more consistent, while playing against much more pressure than Ovechkin, but he's playing against worse competition. I have no idea whether Ovechkin is shadowed as heavily in the RSL, but I can't imagine that he draws the same scrutiny as Crosby on the ice. Ovechkin is just another player in Russia, isn't he? Crosby is the main target everytime he steps on the ice. That's why the WJC is good evidence in my opinion because Ovechkin will be the main guy for this Russian team.
Any further analysis beyond that would have to do with each player's hockey skills and how they will potentially fit with the team they play for in the NHL. For now, we just don't have enough information to know (well, at least I don't.)
The problem with arguments in favour of either player is that they're all flawed, which is what makes this discussion pretty pointless...we won't know anything until the NHL season starts up and/if both are playing regularly on different teams. Having said that, scouts and gm's obviously have to make this sort of determination all the time...
From a marketing standpoint, you have to take Crosby, he's obviously more polished and charismatic to North American audiences. That doesn't help you much on the ice though so it can't be your only consideration, but it may be an edge that would steer some to Crosby's side if their talent is so close that it's tough to call. If you think you're getting a stud player either way, you take the guy who can draw fans and sell jerseys on top of all that.
Ovechkin is further along in his development because he plays in the RSL, and Crosby has nowhere else but junior to play. However, there's very little evidence of how Ovechkin will play in North America...while he was one of the few Russians to score in the World Cup, his own coach didn't trust him enough to play him consistently and Russia didn't progress far enough. So far Crosby has been better in the WJC than Ovechkin, although Crosby has played against two weak teams and Ovechkin had to face the USA first game...it appears to me just based on what I've seen so far of both (which is probably not nearly as much as most others have seen) that Crosby is more consistent, while playing against much more pressure than Ovechkin, but he's playing against worse competition. I have no idea whether Ovechkin is shadowed as heavily in the RSL, but I can't imagine that he draws the same scrutiny as Crosby on the ice. Ovechkin is just another player in Russia, isn't he? Crosby is the main target everytime he steps on the ice. That's why the WJC is good evidence in my opinion because Ovechkin will be the main guy for this Russian team.
Any further analysis beyond that would have to do with each player's hockey skills and how they will potentially fit with the team they play for in the NHL. For now, we just don't have enough information to know (well, at least I don't.)
Maybe a comparison Bergeron-Ovechkin would be more appropriate as they both played at the World Championships last year and are both playing at WJC this year.
IMHO I don't think that Ovechkin will outshine Bergeron in this Tournament, plus Bergeron at 19 already has 1 year of NHL under his belt.
Ovechkin is actually a much worse hotdog than Crosby.
IMHO I don't think that Ovechkin will outshine Bergeron in this Tournament, plus Bergeron at 19 already has 1 year of NHL under his belt.
Ovechkin is actually a much worse hotdog than Crosby.
Neither. I'd take Phil Kessel over both.
j/k
anyways, Ovechkin because he's mean, big and powerful, and skilled. Both with be superstars IMO.
j/k
anyways, Ovechkin because he's mean, big and powerful, and skilled. Both with be superstars IMO.
Would be hard to choose.
Just one thing i might add, you really need to re-think if you think Ovechkin is the only choice to make because he's playing against mens and Crosby didnt. Thinking Crosby could not play in the RSL right now is flat out wrong. He would do as good as Ovechkin or close (keep in mind 1-2 years younger) in the RSL with ease.
Just one thing i might add, you really need to re-think if you think Ovechkin is the only choice to make because he's playing against mens and Crosby didnt. Thinking Crosby could not play in the RSL right now is flat out wrong. He would do as good as Ovechkin or close (keep in mind 1-2 years younger) in the RSL with ease.
2 future stars... beyond that i think anyone that claims he knows which will be better is full of it!!! - gonna enjoy watching both 
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