ovechkin or crosby

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who would you take to start your NHL team ,assuming your a bad team like pittsburgh, or the caps who gutted their lineup,

in 5 years what do you expect from both, assume there will be hockey next year
 
geeman said:
who would you take to start your NHL team ,assuming your a bad team like pittsburgh, or the caps who gutted their lineup,

in 5 years what do you expect from both, assume there will be hockey next year


Ok, the Caps gutted their team in one year, the Pens over several years.



Now then.



Ovechkin.
 
Ovechkin has dominated the Russian Super League where he played against men, Ovechkin scored at the World Cup, Ovechkin scored at the World Championships.

All Crosby has done is dominate the 'Q where he plays against 18 year olds, and play well at the WJC..

Ovechkin is big, Crosby is small, both are extremely talented, both work hard, both commit to defense.

Based on this, I think Ovechkin is the better player at this point, but then again, 10 years ago, Daigle was the next great one..
 
MOGiLNY said:
Ovechkin has dominated the Russian Super League where he played against men, Ovechkin scored at the World Cup, Ovechkin scored at the World Championships.

All Crosby has done is dominate the 'Q where he plays against 18 year olds, and play well at the WJC..


Its not Crosby's fault for not playing in mens leagues and tournaments like the World Cup yet, he's still too young. You cant hold that against him, its just not fair.

This thread is pointless and overdone. Whats the point? Plus both Crosby/Ovechkin have tons of homer-fans who gay-up every thread, its pretty easy to spot an Ovechkin-homer in an Alex/Sidney thread, just look for the Russian flag under the avatar (Am I wrong for saying this? nope! Is it not "politically correct"? I dont care) . Why do I bother?
 
Sparepart said:
Its not Crosby's fault for not playing in mens leagues and tournaments like the World Cup yet, he's still too young. You cant hold that against him, its just not fair.

This thread is pointless and overdone. Whats the point? Plus both Crosby/Ovechkin have tons of homer-fans who gay-up every thread, its pretty easy to spot an Ovechkin-homer in an Alex/Sidney thread, just look for the Russian flag under the avatar. Why do I bother?

I concur. Time will only tell if either Ovechkin or Crosby will be as grrreat :D as people say they are.
 
anyone still have the link to that flash animation someone made with Foppa_Rules and "Puck Poise"?
 
Sparepart said:
Its not Crosby's fault for not playing in mens leagues and tournaments like the World Cup yet, he's still too young. You cant hold that against him, its just not fair.

This thread is pointless and overdone. Whats the point? Plus both Crosby/Ovechkin have tons of homer-fans who gay-up every thread, its pretty easy to spot an Ovechkin-homer in an Alex/Sidney thread, just look for the Russian flag under the avatar (Am I wrong for saying this? nope! Is it not "politically correct"? I dont care) . Why do I bother?


And at the reverse, there are always people from Canada proclaiming Crosby the next Jesus of Hockey.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter. Any team would be happy with either player.

Ovechkin should come in right away and put up points, Crosby may take a bit longer due to his size disadvantage, and the difficulty of learning to be a center in the NHL.


Though, hey, this discussion is all moot anyway because the Caps are going to get both, and then who needs this arguement. :)
 
Chimaera said:
And at the reverse, there are always people from Canada proclaiming Crosby the next Jesus of Hockey.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter. Any team would be happy with either player.


Yeah I agree 100%, I just left out the "Canadian flag under avatar" bit because not everyone in Canada is a huge Crosby fan (as opposed to how I see it in Russia for Ovechkin, on this forum anyways).
 
Sparepart said:
Its not Crosby's fault for not playing in mens leagues and tournaments like the World Cup yet, he's still too young. You cant hold that against him, its just not fair.

This thread is pointless and overdone. Whats the point? Plus both Crosby/Ovechkin have tons of homer-fans who gay-up every thread, its pretty easy to spot an Ovechkin-homer in an Alex/Sidney thread, just look for the Russian flag under the avatar (Am I wrong for saying this? nope! Is it not "politically correct"? I dont care) . Why do I bother?

No, it's not Crosby's fault that he's too young to play with men, but the fact that Ovechkin is playing on the same team as Datsyuk, Afinogenov and Havlat, and is still the team's best player speaks volumes.

Do you honestly think that the 5 foot something Crosby could do the same? Do you think that Crosby could've played at the World Cup if he was a year older? Do you think he could've played at the World Championships?

I'll stop "gaying up the thread" now, because I have the Russian flag under my name, and that means that no matter how many arguments I try to provide, my opinion is still ineligible, and only objective fans from Canada know the truth and don't have to back it up.

But as I said in my original post, Diagle was once the next Lemeieux, so both Crosby and Ovechkin can still bust out easily.
 
MOGiLNY said:
No, it's not Crosby's fault that he's too young to play with men, but the fact that Ovechkin is playing on the same team as Datsyuk, Afinogenov and Havlat, and is still the team's best player speaks volumes.

Do you honestly think that the 5 foot something Crosby could do the same? Do you think that Crosby could've played at the World Cup if he was a year older? Do you think he could've played at the World Championships?

I'll stop "gaying up the thread" now, because I have the Russian flag under my name, and that means that no matter how many arguments I try to provide, my opinion is still ineligible, and only objective fans from Canada know the truth and don't have to back it up.

But as I said in my original post, Diagle was once the next Lemeieux, so both Crosby and Ovechkin can still bust out easily.

I don´t think so because canada has a much stronger team than russia. Ovechkin wouldn´t have played either.... if he were a canadian...

think first before posting...
 
THE NEXT ONE #87 said:
I don´t think so because canada has a much stronger team than russia. Ovechkin wouldn´t have played either.... if he were a canadian...

think first before posting...

eh, I understand that it's damn hard to make team Canada, but the point was that Crosby couldn't have played adequately (sp?) at the World Cup or the WC, so if Crosby was Russian, I doubt he would've made it..

besides, if it was so easy to make team Russia, why didn't they call up Malkin as well?
 
MOGiLNY said:
Do you honestly think that the 5 foot something Crosby could do the same? Do you think that Crosby could've played at the World Cup if he was a year older? Do you think he could've played at the World Championships?

I'll stop "gaying up the thread" now, because I have the Russian flag under my name, and that means that no matter how many arguments I try to provide, my opinion is still ineligible, and only objective fans from Canada know the truth and don't have to back it up.


Your still gaying it up. Your trying to raise questions about Crosby's size, when no questions exist. He's at least 5'10 180-200 and built very well (lower body), from the sounds of it you know little to nothing about Sidney Crosby. Your obviously not qualified enough to have started this thread.
 
MOGiLNY said:
eh, I understand that it's damn hard to make team Canada, but the point was that Crosby couldn't have played adequately (sp?) at the World Cup or the WC, so if Crosby was Russian, I doubt he would've made it..

besides, if it was so easy to make team Russia, why didn't they call up Malkin as well?


Ovechkin was playing in the RSL, the top league in Russia when he was selected to the Russian World Cup team.

Crosby was playing in the CHL (because of his age, something which is out of his control) when the Canadian World Cup team was selected. The CHL is the top league Crosby can play in (in North America) until he is drafted.

See the difference?
 
Sparepart said:
Your still gaying it up. Your trying to raise questions about Crosby's size, when no questions exist. He's at least 5'10 180-200 and built very well (lower body), from the sounds of it you know little to nothing about Sidney Crosby. Your obviously not qualified enough to have started this thread.

Heh, I didn't start the thread..

You provide valid points in your posts, I can't argue with them... oh wait, all you do is call people homers, and I'm the one who is trying to use actual arguments rather than talking about who has what flag under the name.

I guess if I went into my profile and changed the Russian flag to Canadian, my opinion would all of a sudden become more valuable, because only Canadians can criticize Crosby, but everyone can criticize Ovechkin.
 
Sparepart said:
Ovechkin was playing in the RSL, the top league in Russia when he was selected to the Russian World Cup team.

Crosby was playing in the CHL (because of his age, something which is out of his control) when the Canadian World Cup team was selected. The CHL is the top league Crosby can play in (in North America) until he is drafted.

See the difference?

How many times do I have to say it? I'll try capital letters this time.

CROSBY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON TEAM CANADA BECAUSE THE TEAM IS TOO GOOD FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT GODLIKE TO MAKE IT. I AGREE WITH THAT. IF OVECHKIN WAS CANADIAN HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT TEAM NEITHER.

IF CROSBY WAS RUSSIAN THOUGH, HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE TEAM RUSSIA AT THE WORLD CUP, JUST LIKE MALKIN, ZHERDEV AND OTHERS DIDN'T.

Do you see my point now? It's not about whether or not Crosby made the team, it's about whether or not he could play at that level, and watching him play at the WJC, I just don't see him playing at the same level as the top nhlers.. not yet at least.
 
MOGiLNY said:
Heh, I didn't start the thread..

Oh my bad, oops. Its tough trying to watch the game and post at the same time :)


You provide valid points in your posts, I can't argue with them... oh wait, all you do is call people homers, and I'm the one who is trying to use actual arguments rather than talking about who has what flag under the name.

I guess if I went into my profile and changed the Russian flag to Canadian, my opinion would all of a sudden become more valuable, because only Canadians can criticize Crosby, but everyone can criticize Ovechkin.


LOL, I guess you must have skipped over all the points I've already made (Crosby's size, Crosby's age, the difference in leagues), and I never said that all posters with Russian flags were Ovechkin homers, I said that from my experience on this forum most people with Russian flags are ovechkin "fans" , big difference between fans and homers. Go ahead and change your flag if you want, I suggest "Uruguay" .. (too immature? , yeah... well whatever)
 
MOGiLNY said:
How many times do I have to say it? I'll try capital letters this time.


Please no, its painful enough trying to read your posts. (Not because your Russian, but because of your style of arguing/debating)


Do you see my point now? It's not about whether or not Crosby made the team, it's about whether or not he could play at that level, and watching him play at the WJC, I just don't see him playing at the same level as the top nhlers.. not yet at least.

I doubt Crosby will ever meet your standards. I wont hold my breath on that one.
 
Sparepart said:
LOL, I guess you must have skipped over all the points I've already made (Crosby's size, Crosby's age, the difference in leagues), and I never said that all posters with Russian flags were Ovechkin homers, I said that from my experience on this forum most people with Russian flags are ovechkin "fans" , big difference between fans and homers. Go ahead and change your flag if you want, I suggest "Uruguay" .. (too immature? , yeah... well whatever)

Yes, I must've missed those points.. no seriously. Did you say that Crosby's age, size or difference in leagues give him an edge over Ovechkin, or what?

As for the Uruguay comment, it seems that you are the one who is incapable of carrying on any half intelligent discussions without resorting to childish comments, my homophobic friend.
 
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