Ovechkin Milestone Thread - Countdown to 894 (Continued)

The Gr8 Chase continues with Capitals-Flames on TVA Sports
* Alex Ovechkin and the League-leading Capitals joust Jonathan Huberdeau and the Flames, with Ovechkin entering the week needing 20 goals to complete The Gr8 Chase and pass Wayne Gretzky (894) for the most in NHL history.
16x9_OVECHKIN_COUNTDOWN_AWAY (1)-26105547.png
 
Ovechkin didn't get to play against the "goalies" Gretzky did, Ovie getting different OTs washes that out. If Ovechkin played then he'd have 1200 goals.
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.

People keep brushing 99 off like he's somehow inferior to Ovechkin. Gretzkys prime years make OV look pedestrian. It's OVs longevity and the league being much more soft today is the reason he's about to get the record. OV would constantly get mauled in the 80s and 90s man. Scoring a record amount of empty net goals, 3 on 3 goals etc. Give it a rest. Just be happy he'll have the record.
 
Last edited:
Online you find a lot of people who don't want to see Ovechkin break the record. They always seem to try and move the goal posts as well to discredit him.

Things like:


1) ENGs
2) More games to get there
3) WHA totals should count
4) Playoff goals should count
4) No 2 line offside
5) 3 on 3 OT
6) HGH, TRT, steroids, etc
7) Shot totals
8) Only scores PP goals
9) ?
10) ?
Then in real life everybody who watches hockey is in total awe of the guys entire career lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: BallardEra
The Gr8 Chase continues with Capitals-Flames on TVA Sports
* Alex Ovechkin and the League-leading Capitals joust Jonathan Huberdeau and the Flames, with Ovechkin entering the week needing 20 goals to complete The Gr8 Chase and pass Wayne Gretzky (894) for the most in NHL history.
16x9_OVECHKIN_COUNTDOWN_AWAY (1)-26105547.png
I read the headline here "Alex Ovechkin and the League-leading Capitals joust Jonathan Huberdeau and the Flames"......and I'm thinking, really, Huberdeau is the star player they are meeting up against......I check team stats, yeah, he's the team leader and has 36pts.....ooof!
 
  • Wow
Reactions: BallardEra
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.
How did all of these guys score 50 goals with wooden sticks?:

Wayne Babych
Rick Kehoe
Blaine Stoughton
Pierre Larouche
Jacques Richard
Al Secord
Mike Bullard
John Ogrodnick
Bobby Carpenter
Jimmy Carson
Hakan Loob
Bernie Nicholls
Joe Mullen
Gary Leeman
Brian Bellows
 
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.

People keep brushing 99 off like he's somehow inferior to Ovechkin. Gretzkys prime years make OV look pedestrian. It's OVs longevity and the league being much more soft today is the reason he's about to get the record. OV would constantly get mauled in the 80s and 90s man. Scoring a record amount of empty net goals, 3 on 3 goals etc. Give it a rest. Just be happy he'll have the record.
Imagine being insecure of Gretzky’s greatness.

Relax guy, he’s The Great One.
 
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.

People keep brushing 99 off like he's somehow inferior to Ovechkin. Gretzkys prime years make OV look pedestrian. It's OVs longevity and the league being much more soft today is the reason he's about to get the record. OV would constantly get mauled in the 80s and 90s man. Scoring a record amount of empty net goals, 3 on 3 goals etc. Give it a rest. Just be happy he'll have the record.
Ovie is a 6'4 bull he would've destroyed these pylons back then.
 
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.

People keep brushing 99 off like he's somehow inferior to Ovechkin. Gretzkys prime years make OV look pedestrian. It's OVs longevity and the league being much more soft today is the reason he's about to get the record. OV would constantly get mauled in the 80s and 90s man. Scoring a record amount of empty net goals, 3 on 3 goals etc. Give it a rest. Just be happy he'll have the record.
lol, or replay every goal of Gretzky and take away every off sides by a hair...itll be fine this way
 
Ovie is a 6'4 bull he would've destroyed these pylons back then.
I like OV man but cmon, now your being straight ignorant.

lol, OV is 6' 2 at best Scott Stevens would smack OV like a rented mule. Lindros would run right through him too. Pronger? Potvin ? The game is filled with small soft fairies now man. Nothing like what it used to be guy. You watch hockey before 2000 ? Stick infractions, cross checking, riding players like a ski lift. Mario was a 6'5 inch albatross carrying players on his back, OV wouldn't do shit to guys like Messier man. He would be insane in any era, but you comparing Ovechkin to Gretzky. Prime Gretzky with todays training and equipment would be bouncing pucks off OV's head into the net man. Get real. Guys like you need to be checked comparing 8 to prime 99 in any way.

Gretzky would have a 1000 plus goals in his sleep if he wanted. He just was busy racking up 160 assist seasons. people quickly get too cocky and forget who 99 was.
 
I like OV man but cmon, now your being straight ignorant.

lol, OV is 6' 2 at best Scott Stevens would smack OV like a rented mule. Lindros would run right through him too. Pronger? Potvin ? The game is filled with small soft fairies now man. Nothing like what it used to be guy. You watch hockey before 2000 ? Stick infractions, cross checking, riding players like a ski lift. Mario was a 6'5 inch albatross carrying players on his back, OV wouldn't do shit to guys like Messier man. He would be insane in any era, but you comparing Ovechkin to Gretzky. Prime Gretzky with todays training and equipment would be bouncing pucks off OV's head into the net man. Get real. Guys like you need to be checked comparing 8 to prime 99 in any way.
Yeah, man. Tell 'em how it is, man.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Calderon
I like OV man but cmon, now your being straight ignorant.

lol, OV is 6' 2 at best Scott Stevens would smack OV like a rented mule. Lindros would run right through him too. Pronger? Potvin ? The game is filled with small soft fairies now man. Nothing like what it used to be guy. You watch hockey before 2000 ? Stick infractions, cross checking, riding players like a ski lift. Mario was a 6'5 inch albatross carrying players on his back, OV wouldn't do shit to guys like Messier man. He would be insane in any era, but you comparing Ovechkin to Gretzky. Prime Gretzky with todays training and equipment would be bouncing pucks off OV's head into the net man. Get real. Guys like you need to be checked comparing 8 to prime 99 in any way.

Gretzky would have a 1000 plus goals in his sleep if he wanted. He just was busy racking up 160 assist seasons. people quickly get too cocky and forget who 99 was.
I’ve met Ovechkin and shook his hand. He’s a monster of a man. He wouldn’t have had problems with anyone, ever.
 
6'3" 235lbs getting mauled in the 80s/90s lol. He'd be one of biggest and fastest players out there, no one would hit him.

I disagree with the idea that he would have been bullied in any era. But, I do think there’s a decent chance he would have just been flagrantly attacked and injured. Teams were not above straight-up chopping at someone’s hands and ankles to take them out. The only thing that saved Gretzky was his elusiveness, and Suter finally caught him after a whistle ending his peak with a blatant hit to injure. Similar story with Mario who was chased around and beaten up until his body broke. Similar story with Lindros who was headhunted until he broke. Our Russian forumers are familiar with what an NHL’er did to Kharlamov.

We’re all lucky to see Ovechkin in an era where the cheap shots are somewhat restrained. This is by no means a negative on him. More of a negative on the NHL as a whole that it ever allowed its stars to be targeted in that manner.
 
I can pretty much see OV, if transported into pre-90s league, elbowing someone into next week every now and then just to show that messing with him is a bad idea. OV is not mean, but he's got temper, and in his early days in 2000s he did try some crazy stuff, like trying to take out Gonchar's knee in 2009 playoffs. Had the officials looked the other way like they did with Howe back in the day, more of that would have come from OV - not enough for half the league to want his head, because he is not mean and wouldn't do these things for fun like Stevens, but "OV unchained" would have created some space around himself.

As for "would others have hurt him too?" - a few times, yes, but the previous thread had some nice statistics on how OV dishes out so many hits, but absorbs far fewer. He is not easy to line up for a dirty hit - part of that is him not going into the corners much, but another part is him seeing the ice well.
 
Gretzky would have a 1000 plus goals in his sleep if he wanted. He just was busy racking up 160 assist seasons. people quickly get too cocky and forget who 99 was.
Yep, it's hard to score 1000+ goals by campering zillion assists behind the net. Hiting him was prohibited, any top50 player with that cheatcode could spam '160 assist seasons' standing behind the net.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Toene
As usual, I will never understand why Wayne Gretzky and era-time-travel issues come up in these topics.

First of all, Gretzky and Ovechkin have NOTHING in common as hockey players, other than they were both dominant in their eras. Gretzky's style of offense was completely unlike Ovechkin's. Gretzky never tried to overpower other players with his shot or (lol!) his physicality. Gretzky almost never (and basically never after about age 24) tried to drive the net in a straight line. Gretzky's entire style of offense was based on avoiding barriers and creating open space for himself and more so for his teammates. Gretzky almost never fired a one-timer in his career. (As a center, Gretzky was primarily a pass-first player, as we all know.)

Second, I could not care less how players of one era would do if "time-traveled" to another era, and neither should anyone. We should not expend any brain-cells on this. Players need to be appreciated in the context of their own eras, period.

Gretzky's peak period was (to be very specific) January 1981 to September 1991. The NHL, and to some extent international hockey, was very different in that period (which is really, in itself, akin to about two mini-eras) from today. Ovechkin, of course, has starred for a very long period (almost 20 years now). Though he's not in his prime by a long-shot anymore, he's still very effective as a scorer.

It's very typically the case with the most elite players in NHL history that they excelled over long and diverse periods. Though Gretzky's prime period was 'only' 10.5 years, this is relative --- he was the highest-scoring N.A. player in 1979-80 and the highest scoring N.A. player in 1997-98, when he was seven years past his prime, old and banged up, and on a very low scoring team. Quite obviously, he could be dominant across different periods and styles of hockey. Same with Howe, Hull, Jagr, etc. Ovechkin has been playing at 'star' level for almost 20 years and has the most insane physical durability of any hockey player ever, or at least since Gordie Howe.

Finally, although I understand the exciting, big-name appeal of a contemporary player beating Gretzky for a major League record, I personally have never thought of the career goals-record as a "Gretzky record". (I'm not sure Gretzky himself does either, and I think he has always had some mixed-feelings about taking that one away from Howe.) To me, the best career / longevity / volume goal-scorers in NHL history (pre-Ovechkin) are Rocket Richard, Bobby Hull, and Gordie Howe. Those guys were dominant as goal scorers for most of their careers, and set the standards for a long and excellent career as goal scorers. Gretzky was more like an "incidental" goal scorer, who was so insanely talented that he racked up 92 and 87 (in 74 games!) goal-scoring seasons while dishing out 130 assists or whatever. He was never a consistently elite goal-scorer after age 26, and essentially an average first-line center in goal scoring from about age 30-31 (though this had a lot to do with accumulated back injuries).

I think it's good if Ovechkin gets the record in as much as the guy with the most seasons leading the League in goals deserves to have the most career goals. Ovechkin seems like a good guy, and obviously the NHL will big-it-up for maximum P.R. value, as it's been so long since any major offensive records have been set or broken. We also know that Gretzky will be all-class about it and first in line to shake Ovechkin's hand.

Anyway, point being -- stop trying to compare players across eras, the more so when the two players aren't remotely comparable. Appreciate the talent of each era.
 
Last edited:
Give Ovechkin wooden sticks and horseshit skates and he'd have 600 goals.

People keep brushing 99 off like he's somehow inferior to Ovechkin. Gretzkys prime years make OV look pedestrian. It's OVs longevity and the league being much more soft today is the reason he's about to get the record. OV would constantly get mauled in the 80s and 90s man. Scoring a record amount of empty net goals, 3 on 3 goals etc. Give it a rest. Just be happy he'll have the record.
As much as i like Ovi and him chasing records, i would never even think putting him anyway near Wayne.
Honestly of we look outside RS and International play, Ovi numbers drop significantly, thats just data.


[td]
[/td]
[td]
[/td]
[td]
[/td]
[td]
[/td]
[td]
[/td]
[td]
[/td]​
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Golden_Jet
People are being ridiculous. It's not outlandish to think that Ovechkin's longevity as a goalscorer makes him better at that skill than Gretzky. That still does NOT make him a better hockey player than Wayne or diminish the latter in any way. Prime Gretzky might have scored more, but--in terms of total package--Ovechkin is the better goalscorer.

So what?
 
He's mired in a goal drought right now, but he's getting his shots and chances. He had seven SOG against VAN, including some good looks. Had some dangerous shots on net last night as well. The dam should burst soon, and some time off during that Four Nations tournament should be good for him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: qc14

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad