Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[PaulD]

It's a durability race at this point. Whoever has been healthier recently will come out ahead.

Sid has already played far less games due to injury......but still ahead in points.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I remember his first NHL season he scored over 50 goals, I cannot believe he's about to reach 800 for his career. I just turned 20 that year and just turned 37 last month, it's been a blast watching him play.

Dude, same. Ovi is just a few weeks older than me. It’s wild thinking back on where I was in life at 20 and where I am at 37 and realizing he’s been there for almost half my life. The sports gods took mercy on us in DC for having Dan Snyder buy the Commanders.

 

[sr edler]

I would love to see a ENG hat-trick this season by either Ovi or Victor Olofsson, the two hardest working forwards in the game right now. That would be

Also, imagine if you scored a ENG hat-trick and then 50 years down the line your grandkids curiously asks on what goalie.... "Well *cough cough* it was a loooong time ago, my little friend, I only really remember his initials: E.N."

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

Down to double digits to take the all time lead. That is huge. I’ll be watching his games once he is within striking distance of 800, I’ve never had the privilege of seeing someone score their 800th.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I would love to see a ENG hat-trick this season by either Ovi or Victor Olofsson, the two hardest working forwards in the game right now. That would be

Also, imagine if you scored a ENG hat-trick and then 50 years down the line your grandkids curiously asks on what goalie.... "Well *cough cough* it was a loooong time ago, my little friend, I only really remember his initials: E.N."

Don't worry I'll be sure to visit you history revision forum haters after Ovie breaks one of the biggest records in hockey.

 

[BrokenFace]

So we're eliminating Gretzky's then because he has the most ENG ever.

And Ovechkin did not set a new record he had the same as Pavel Bure did in Florida. And the year before last he had zero ENGs.



Except that time they hired Dale Hunter. Or when they hired a coach in Barry Trotz who is anything but offensively minded.

Take away all EN goals and Brett Hull suddenly has the most goals in a single season. Oiler fans don't want to go down that road.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Fair enough, but the context you gave isn't all that logical. The teams in constant position to put up EN points are good teams in large part because of the players you're criticizing. It's been part of the game forever, and icing a 1-goal game with an ENG is a no-brainer.

I think empty net points are kind of their own thing. It's obviously a vastly increased likelihood to score in those situations.

That said, we've seen teams miss the empty net and then lose the game. So it's obviously a benefit for those points to have been scored. So some credit is due.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I wonder if Konecny browses HF regularly, considering his apparent attitude towards empty net goals.

 

[Roshi]

I wonder if Konecny browses HF regularly, considering his apparent attitude towards empty net goals.

That rant was about Ovie carrying it in and not shooting earlier. Ridiculous crybaby rant and someone should have punched him in the mouth for touching Ovie after that. Its a hunt for legendary achievement and Konecny is a one in a dozen player. Someone rants for Brett Hull or Mario Lemieux like that in the 90s 00s and his own teams veterans beat him up.

Whatever. Ovie has exactly 300 games left to break the record on his current contract. Thats 0,33 goals per game, almost doubling down from his career so far. The record is looking closer and closer, even if Ovie regresses another step or two and misses 40-70 games he should make it just shooting PP goals from the point.

 

[BallardEra]

I wonder if Konecny browses HF regularly, considering his apparent attitude towards empty net goals.

I'm guessing he probably took exception to Ovie skating all the way into the net on his backhand instead of shooting it earlier.

 

[Foots]

I'm guessing he probably took exception to Ovie skating all the way into the net on his backhand instead of shooting it earlier.

Is that some sort of unwritten rule or something? LMAO.

 

[ViD]

I'm guessing he probably took exception to Ovie skating all the way into the net on his backhand instead of shooting it earlier.

Ovie was just making sure he doesn’t do a Stefan

 

[Foots]

I think empty net points are kind of their own thing. It's obviously a vastly increased likelihood to score in those situations.

That said, we've seen teams miss the empty net and then lose the game. So it's obviously a benefit for those points to have been scored. So some credit is due.

Hathaway in the playoffs against Florida missed an empty-netter that could have put the game away.

 

[Video Nasty]

His current season pace has him on track to tie Howe on January 5th against Columbus and pass him sometime early in the first period the following night at home against Nashville.

 

[andrjusha]

That rant was about Ovie carrying it in and not shooting earlier. Ridiculous crybaby rant and someone should have punched him in the mouth for touching Ovie after that. Its a hunt for legendary achievement and Konecny is a one in a dozen player. Someone rants for Brett Hull or Mario Lemieux like that in the 90s 00s and his own teams veterans beat him up.

Whatever. Ovie has exactly 300 games left to break the record on his current contract. Thats 0,33 goals per game, almost doubling down from his career so far. The record is looking closer and closer, even if Ovie regresses another step or two and misses 40-70 games he should make it just shooting PP goals from the point.

Nice, I like round numbers

So OV needs to score 100 goals in 300 games, 1 goal every 3 games.
"Our goals are clear! Tasks are set! To work, comrades!" (c) N.Khrushchev

 

[Demandedace]

Honestly, his first empty netter was not a gimme anyway last night. Had a dude in his grill the entire time pressing him on the boards so he had to give him the slip

 

[SkinsFan09]

Hathaway in the playoffs against Florida missed an empty-netter that could have put the game away.

This. People say they're cheap. If Garnett Hathaway hit an empty net where he had nobody in front of him, the Capitals would have advanced to the second round of the playoffs last year. Instead he choked and they lost. ENGs matter.

Mike Bossy's 500th goal was an empty netter. Wayne's 50th goal in 39 games was an empty netter.

Apparently it only matters when Ovechkin does it.

 

[BringTheReign]

If you applied Ovechkin's career goals per game average to the games lost in the '12-'13, '19-'20, and '21-'22 shortened seasons, he'd have somewhere between 40-45 additional goals. Crazy. He'd be in the mid-800s within striking distance of Wayne by next season and well past Gordie.

(I assumed his career goals per game average of 0.61 and calculated he'd have an extra 70-75 games based on his games played per season average.)

 

[Toby91ca]

Unlike the Pens that don't even put Sid in the program.

Sid was sitting on 2 goad, up 3-1 with empty net and he wasn’t out there to go for hat trick. I think they had Blueger out there to try for his first goal of the year

 

[Ovie's Neighbor]

Sid was sitting on 2 goad, up 3-1 with empty net and he wasn’t out there to go for hat trick. I think they had Blueger out there to try for his first goal of the year

Right because Ovechkin is the coach deciding who goes out there. And Sid isn’t chasing the all time goals record. It’s not just OV who wants the record the whole team wants it to. It’s why other players on the ice look for him when there is an empty net instead of trying to score. And the reason they want him to get the record is because his teammates love him.

 

[x-bob]

I hope his next 99 goals are empty net just to see some people here implode.

 

[Zuluss]

Sid has already played far less games due to injury......but still ahead in points.

Missing time is not a virtue, especially if we are talking about a pure longevity/durability statistic such as career points.

At the moment, the difference between their career points is 0.5%, which can easily close as soon as one goes hot and the other goes cold, not to mention a few missed games. It has been this way for a few years now.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

The closer we get to him betting the record, the more we'll hear from salty bitches whining about how he scored the goals.

 

[Beukeboom]

Take away all EN goals and Brett Hull suddenly has the most goals in a single season. Oiler fans don't want to go down that road.

I think the argument would be more in the line of Wayne scoring the empty netters back in his prime and thus padded his three goal game to four goals, while Ovie is scoring a majority of his empty netters in the back half of his career, especially so the last two-three seasons, in order to chase a record and cover up poor 5-on-5 stats. It's not completely without merit, but a goal is a goal.

There's nothing wrong chasing a record however. Wayne was a known record chaser which I believe is part of what made him so relentless. Ovie's goalscoring is one of the few things I've seen that has the same relentlessness about it.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

If you applied Ovechkin's career goals per game average to the games lost in the '12-'13, '19-'20, and '21-'22 shortened seasons, he'd have somewhere between 40-45 additional goals. Crazy. He'd be in the mid-800s within striking distance of Wayne by next season and well past Gordie.

(I assumed his career goals per game average of 0.61 and calculated he'd have an extra 70-75 games based on his games played per season average.)

It doesn't work like that. It's possible that he had more wear and tear and was done today. Jagr said he probably wouldn't last as long as he did in the NHL without his KHL time. (Less physically demanding maybe?)

Selanne almost quit after his horrible year with Colorado but lock-out saved him. He could recover and become healthy again.

In hindsight maybe those days off were a good thing. Of course speculation from my part, but I doubt it's always a bad thing. Mentally too they can relax a bit.