Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[wetcoast]

Lol the funniest thing about that is that was in 17/18... You know, the year OV had his best playoff run and the caps won the cup.

The thing is that his best individual playoff run was in 09-10 when he was still truly a force in his peak.

I never held the "he didn't win a SC" thing on him as it was a 30 team league and teams wins SC not individual players.

Like I said it was a well respected HOH guy who watches alot of film.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I wish! It's outright bizarre for North Americans to fail to count the most important goals of all – those in the play-offs! – as "NHL goals". They are most definitely NHL goals, because the Stanley Cup play-offs are a contest organized by the NHL to determine the NHL winner every season.

So to say that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite clearly false and misleading. NHL goals should be those scored both in the regular season and play-offs. Those should be the true milestones to celebrate, not some silly regular season number.

Those are counted separately, that's how every League does it

 

[BallardEra]

The thing is that his best individual playoff run was in 09-10 when he was still truly a force in his peak.

I never held the "he didn't win a SC" thing on him as it was a 30 team league and teams wins SC not individual players.

Like I said it was a well respected HOH guy who watches alot of film.

Respected or not his take makes no sense. Capitals last game of the regular season against New Jersey was on April 7th and their first playoff game was 5 days later on April 12th.

I'm sure Ovechkin was totally tired in that first game.

 

[wetcoast]

He won the Conn Smythe that year.. you think he was so exhausted from a regular season game played April 7th that it caused him to perform poorly on April 12th (5 days later, both games played at home)? And not of course the far more logical explanation that it was just an off night (if he even did, 4 SOG, 2 Hit.. which was basically his average for the postseason)?

I never said that he was exhausted, it was inferred by the guy that I'm quoting that he was flat and played with less emotion and interest than in the final season game chasing the record.

Now no one exactly knows what happened, sometimes home teams can come out flat after a layoff but it wasn't just another game but the SC playoffs.

That's just one example and I don't really want to go further down the rabbit hole other than to get back to the original outrage of the commentator saying that "Ovechkin was cheating on offense" which IMO is a fair way to talk about Ovi and his overall game and play for parts of this season.

Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

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Others like the guy I quoted initially will disagree and that's HF Boards.

 

[wetcoast]

I wish! It's outright bizarre for North Americans to fail to count the most important goals of all – those in the play-offs! – as "NHL goals". They are most definitely NHL goals, because the Stanley Cup play-offs are a contest organized by the NHL to determine the NHL winner every season.

So to say that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite clearly false and misleading. NHL goals should be those scored both in the regular season and play-offs. Those should be the true milestones to celebrate, not some silly regular season number.

No the counting should be different but then again players are judged overall at the end of the day not just for one or the other.

The main talking point and major strength of Ovechkins career is clearly goal scoring and I think everyone knows that.

Respected or not his take makes no sense. Capitals last game of the regular season against New Jersey was on April 7th and their first playoff game was 5 days later on April 12th.

I'm sure Ovechkin was totally tired in that first game.

Read my next post as I never said that he was exhausted.

 

[WarriorofTime]

so now we're trying to read hard into whether Ovechkin was trying hard in a playoff game, lmao

 

[ottawa]

Is this guy done or what?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Alright, @wetcoast - you've had your fun. Move along.

 

[SovietWings]

Is this guy done or what?

Actually, I noticed this pattern already in previous seasons:
Ovechkin scores crazy amount of goals on a roadtrip => They return home and he is goalless for 2-3 games => Everybody thinks he's done=> He scores multiple goals in the next game.
I guess it's not coincidence he scores more road goals than home goals.

 

[Faterson]

Those are counted separately

That's exactly what makes no sense. It's simply factually incorrect to say that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals", "Ovechkin scored 801 NHL goals", etc. Simply not true, or "NHL goals" is a misnomer and doesn't mean what it should mean.

Or take those YouTube videos, "every NHL goal Ovechkin ever scored". Well, not really! How can you make a highlight video like that and omit the most important NHL goals there possibly can be – those in the play-offs?!

that's how every League does it

Every North American league, perhaps, but definitely not in Europe. It just makes no sense.

 

[WarriorofTime]

That's exactly what makes no sense. It's simply factually incorrect to say that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals", "Ovechkin scored 801 NHL goals", etc. Simply not true, or "NHL goals" is a misnomer and doesn't mean what it should mean.

Or take those YouTube videos, "every NHL goal Ovechkin ever scored". Well, not really! How can you make a highlight video like that and omit the most important NHL goals there possibly can be – those in the play-offs?!



Every North American league, perhaps, but definitely not in Europe. It just makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. The playoffs are a separate thing. Europe counts league play and European competition goals separately.

 

[CROTT]

Ovechkin is 14th in playoff goals scored, and 24th in playoff goals per playoff game. Gretzky has 50 more play off goals, in 61 more play off games. Thats the thing not all good goal scores get/got to play a lot of playoff games, look at Matthews, Kovalchuk, Pavel Bure ect so it should be separated from the regular season.

NHL Playoffs All-Time Goals per Game Leaders

NHL players who hold the all-time record for the most goals per game in NHL playoffs. All-time playoff goals per game leaders for NHL players.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[Faterson]

It makes perfect sense. The playoffs are a separate thing.

Not at all. The play-offs are every bit part of the NHL just like the regular season is. In fact, it's the crucial part of every NHL season. Therefore, to fail to include goals scored in the NHL play-offs in stats and milestones of "NHL goals", is ridiculous.

It may be something you grew up with and got used to, but that doesn't make it any less absurd and ridiculous.

Europe counts league play and European competition goals separately.

You're hallucinating. What "European competition"? We're talking about the league, nothing else. It's a single top-level league contest concluded with the play-offs. All goals scored in the play-offs are obviously part of that top-level league. All these "goals scored" and other NHL milestones use misnomers.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not at all. The play-offs are every bit part of the NHL just like the regular season is. In fact, it's the crucial part of every NHL season. Therefore, to fail to include goals scored in the NHL play-offs in stats and milestones of "NHL goals", is ridiculous.

It may be something you grew up with and got used to, but that doesn't make it any less absurd and ridiculous.



You're hallucinating. What "European competition"? We're talking about the league, nothing else. It's a single top-level league contest concluded with the play-offs. All goals scored in the play-offs are obviously part of that top-level league. All these "goals scored" and other NHL milestones use misnomers.

like UEFA Champions League, Europa League.

In hockey, they track regular and playoff goals separately.

The reasons for this are obvious. Every team in the League has the same opportunity to play a full allotment of regular season games, postseason games are circumstantial.

Every person in the world except you realizes this, hence why they are tracked separately. It's not worth discussing anymore.

 

[ottawa]

Actually, I noticed this pattern already in previous seasons:
Ovechkin scores crazy amount of goals on a roadtrip => They return home and he is goalless for 2-3 games => Everybody thinks he's done=> He scores multiple goals in the next game.
I guess it's not coincidence he scores more road goals than home goals.

I was kidding but thanks for your wisdom.

 

[SovietWings]

I was kidding but thanks for your wisdom.

You're welcome. But if I really had Ovechkin wisdom, I would already have millions from sport betting (unfortunately, I don't).
Just found this pattern interesting,but I'm too lazy to research it more profoundly.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I wish! It's outright bizarre for North Americans to fail to count the most important goals of all – those in the play-offs! – as "NHL goals". They are most definitely NHL goals, because the Stanley Cup play-offs are a contest organized by the NHL to determine the NHL winner every season.

So to say that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite clearly false and misleading. NHL goals should be those scored both in the regular season and play-offs. Those should be the true milestones to celebrate, not some silly regular season number.

Hockeydb and quantumhockey list them separately.

Erik Karlsson - QuantHockey

Erik Karlsson player profile, stats and championships. Born 1990-05-31 in Landsbro, Sweden. Erik Karlsson currently plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL).

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Erik Karlsson (b.1990) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Erik Karlsson, a hockey player from Landsbro, Sweden born May 31 1990 who was active from 2006 to 2023.

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Erik Karlsson - QuantHockey

Erik Karlsson player profile, stats and championships. Born 1990-05-31 in Landsbro, Sweden. Erik Karlsson currently plays for the Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL).

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And this one has a Dropbox for regular season and playoffs, for all time SHL leaders.

SHL All-Time Points Leaders

SHL players who hold the all-time record for the most points in SHL. All-time point leaders for SHL players.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[Faterson]

Hockeydb and quantumhockey list them separately.

"Listing separately" is one thing, but claiming that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite obviously false and nonsense.

Gretzky's NHL goals are those scored in the NHL regular season and the NHL play-offs, ditto for Ovechkin and everyone else.

Both types of goals are NHL goals, period.

It's shocking to have to explain that 2 + 2 = 4, but those are the facts.

 

[WarriorofTime]

"Listing separately" is one thing, but claiming that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite obviously false and nonsense.

Gretzky's NHL goals are those scored in the NHL regular season and the NHL play-offs, ditto for Ovechkin and everyone else.

Both types of goals are NHL goals, period.

It's shocking to have to explain that 2 + 2 = 4, but those are the facts.

OK but the record we are talking about is the regular season goals scored record. So you can cling to your combined record if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. The rest of the planet is focused on 894.

 

[Golden_Jet]

"Listing separately" is one thing, but claiming that "Gretzky scored 894 NHL goals" is quite obviously false and nonsense.

Gretzky's NHL goals are those scored in the NHL regular season and the NHL play-offs, ditto for Ovechkin and everyone else.

Both types of goals are NHL goals, period.

It's shocking to have to explain that 2 + 2 = 4, but those are the facts.

Thanks tips

 

[Dicky113]

He might not catch Howe at this rate, never mind Gretz!

 

[Faterson]

the record we are talking about is the regular season goals scored record.

Yeah, that's the trouble. All I'm saying is that "NHL goals" is a misnomer. 894 and 801 are regular season goals, not "NHL goals".

Of course, it's your right (or the NHL marketing department's right) to ignore goals scored in the play-offs in your "milestone celebrations". But it's highly absurd, given that play-off goals are far more important than regular season goals.

Just don't call these particular milestones "NHL goals", that's all I'm asking for. It's a misnomer that's been irking me for decades, from before Ovechkin even entered the league.

The rest of the planet is focused on 894.

I know it's a common misconception to confuse North America for the entire planet, but there really are more continents on this planet than just North America. Check Google Maps, any globe or atlas.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I know it's a common misconception to confuse North America for the entire planet, but there really are more continents on this planet than just North America. Check Google Maps, any globe or atlas.

I know it's a common misconception to believe the world revolves around you, but in fact, everybody besides you is paying attention to Number 894. You are alone in this. You do not have the backing of "all of non-North America". This is your personal mission, nobody else's.

 

[authentic]

Depends how he's feeling once he beats the record, but I don't think he slows down once he breaks it. He'd be 105 away from 1000; that's a pretty big motivator to keep going. If he's potting 35-40 goals a year when he breaks it, I think he gives it his best shot for 1000.

He’ll be 40 by then though so I’m not sure we can expect that type of scoring at that age or the passion to keep going. I hope I’m wrong though because that would be cool to see. Funny enough without lockouts he would’ve been closing in on 1000 already.

 

[YippieKaey]

Nothing against Steve Stamkos, whom I love, but thank God for Ovechkin because can you imagine if Ovi didn't exist --- we'd be looking back at the 2009 to 2020 era as the 'Stamkos goals era', which is a bit sad...

Anyway, I've said it many times and I'll say it again: Athletes like Howe and Ovechkin are androids, not humans. To play that long at a high level, while missing a paltry number of games through their salad years, is really unbelievable.

I realize Ovechkin had athletic parents and was thus genetically predisposed to being strong and healthy, but does anyone know how he takes care of himself, in terms of training / conditioning? Does he have a strict diet / athletic regimen like MacKinnon? Or is he like Schwarzenegger in The Terminator where he just pulls out his robotic finger / joint / bone and mechanically inserts a new one? It's probably the latter because I'm pretty sure he's not human.

Well........not Mackinnonesque:

Alex Ovechkin’s ‘special diet’ includes a footlong spicy Italian from Subway: ‘It’s one of the secrets’

Alex Ovechkin is on pace to score 50 goals and go over the century mark in points for the first time since…

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Hockey fans will love Alex Ovechkin's hilarious pre-game meal tradition - Article - BARDOWN

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NHL Fitness: Here's How to Train Like Alex Ovechkin

Washington Capitals star Alex Ovechkin explains how he dominate the ice by focusing on his fitness. Here's how ge gets it done.

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