Ovechkin & Crosby - race to 1,400 points

[Hockey Outsider]

Ovechkin and Crosby reached the 1,400 point milestone four days apart. They now rank 21st and 22nd all-time in scoring.

Here's a chart showing the daily progression of their career point totals from the start of their careers:

Here's a table showing the leads, day by day (greater than zero means Ovechkin is in the lead):

I will attempt to put together a table that looks at this by game (rather than on a daily basis).

NOTE - based on my past experience when posting these tables, I'll make this disclaimer. This is just statistical trivia. It's not intended to be an argument for or against either player. If you think these charts are disparaging to your favourite player, get some fresh air.

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[K Fleur]

Never even thought to compare the two.

These are awesome graphs.

This website should do an in depth debate of who is better between the two.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Who was in the lead each day?

• Total days that have passed since October 1st, 2005: 6,036
• Number of days Ovechkin has been in the lead: 5,058 (83.8%)
• Number of days Crosby has been in the lead: 933 (15.5%)
• Tied: 45 (0.7%)

Largest leads

• Ovechkin's largest leads
  • 83 points (March 13th and 14th, 2012 - Ovechkin up 667-584)
• Crosby's largest leads
  • 33 points (November 17th and 18th, 2007 - Crosby up 252-218)
  • 33 points (January 12th, 2008 - Crosby up 283-250)
  • 33 points (January 14th, 2008 - Crosby up 285-252)
    

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Who reached each milestone first?

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Milestone[/TD]
[TD]Ovechkin[/TD]
[TD]Crosby[/TD]
[TD]Ovechkin (Crosby)
ahead by X days[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

100​

[/TD]

[TD]

April 10, 2006​

[/TD]

[TD]

April 17, 2006​

[/TD]

[TD]

7​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

200​

[/TD]

[TD]

October 6, 2007​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 2, 2007​

[/TD]

[TD]

-218​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

300​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 18, 2008​

[/TD]

[TD]

October 18, 2008​

[/TD]

[TD]

214​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

400​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 17, 2009​

[/TD]

[TD]

October 3, 2009​

[/TD]

[TD]

200​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

500​

[/TD]

[TD]

February 4, 2010​

[/TD]

[TD]

April 8, 2010​

[/TD]

[TD]

63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

600​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 9, 2011​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 30, 2012​

[/TD]

[TD]

387​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

700​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 14, 2013​

[/TD]

[TD]

November 29, 2013​

[/TD]

[TD]

260​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

800​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 1, 2014​

[/TD]

[TD]

November 26, 2014​

[/TD]

[TD]

270​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

900​

[/TD]

[TD]

October 20, 2015​

[/TD]

[TD]

February 6, 2016​

[/TD]

[TD]

109​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1,000​

[/TD]

[TD]

January 11, 2017​

[/TD]

[TD]

February 16, 2017​

[/TD]

[TD]

36​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1,100​

[/TD]

[TD]

February 15, 2018​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 7, 2018​

[/TD]

[TD]

20​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1,200​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 12, 2019​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 5, 2019​

[/TD]

[TD]

-7​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1,300​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 16, 2021​

[/TD]

[TD]

March 25, 2021​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1,400​

[/TD]

[TD]

April 6, 2022​

[/TD]

[TD]

April 10, 2022​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Never even thought to compare the two.

These are awesome graphs.

This website should do an in depth debate of who is better between the two.

I also found it surprising that nobody has compared these two players over the past 16 years. That seems like the type of thing someone on HFBoards would have written about at some point since 2005. I'm glad to blaze a new trail wherever I can!

 

[jigglysquishy]

It's crazy how close they are nearly 17 years after their NHL debuts. And how many freak things had to occur to make it happen.

No 04-05 lockout, Crosby never has a lead in points. No 2011 concussion, Ovechkin never regains the lead.

 

[BallardEra]

Love the comments in the breakdown of the first graph.

 

[Khelandros]

Both of the first two charts are yearly, not daily.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Both of the first two charts are yearly, not daily.

To make it readable, the labels are showing each year, but every single data point (in both charts) is calculated on a daily basis.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Here are the same charts, looking at it by game rather than by calendar date. I think this is accurate but let me know if anything looks off:

And the leads (greater than zero means Crosby is in the lead):

I knew Crosby would be ahead after about 400 games, but I thought it would be closer.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Who was in the lead after each game?

• Total games that both have played: 1,100
• Crosby has been in the lead after: 1,031 (93.7%)
• Ovechkin has been in the lead after: 65 (5.9%)
• Tied: 4 (0.4%)

Largest leads

• Crosby's largest lead
  • 173 points (after their 1,094th games - October 20th, 2019 for Ovechkin and March 27th, 2022 for Crosby - Crosby up 1,394-1,221)
• Ovechkin's largest lead
  • 14 points (after their 71st games - March 30th, 2006 for Ovechkin and March 29th, 2006 for Crosby - Ovechkin up 94-80)

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Who reached each milestone first?

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Milestone[/TD]
[TD]Crosby
(Game #)[/TD]
[TD]Ovechkin
(Game #)[/TD]
[TD]Crosby (Ovechkin)
ahead by X games[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]77[/TD]
[TD]-3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]219[/TD]
[TD]237[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]400[/TD]
[TD]292[/TD]
[TD]314[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]369[/TD]
[TD]373[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]600[/TD]
[TD]430[/TD]
[TD]464[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]700[/TD]
[TD]497[/TD]
[TD]579[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]800[/TD]
[TD]571[/TD]
[TD]658[/TD]
[TD]87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]900[/TD]
[TD]677[/TD]
[TD]764[/TD]
[TD]87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1,000[/TD]
[TD]757[/TD]
[TD]880[/TD]
[TD]123[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1,100[/TD]
[TD]850[/TD]
[TD]978[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1,200[/TD]
[TD]927[/TD]
[TD]1,072[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1,300[/TD]
[TD]1,017[/TD]
[TD]1,177[/TD]
[TD]160[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1,400[/TD]
[TD]1,100[/TD]
[TD]1,265[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[DropIt]

A shame that lockouts did suxh damage to point totals here.

 

[jigglysquishy]

And the leads (greater than zero means Crosby is in the lead):

View attachment 529564

I knew Crosby would be ahead after about 400 games, but I thought it would be closer.

It's around the 400 game mark that Crosby hit his peak, while Ovi was in his down years of 10-11 and 11-12. So that makes sense.

Is the gap closing around the 600 game mark the 14 15 and 15 16 seasons? Very interesting 100ish game stretch.

 

[wetcoast]

Ovechkin and Crosby reached the 1,400 point milestone four days apart. They now rank 21st and 22nd all-time in scoring.

Here's a chart showing the daily progression of their career point totals from the start of their careers:

View attachment 529453

Here's a table showing the leads, day by day (greater than zero means Ovechkin is in the lead):

View attachment 529454

I will attempt to put together a table that looks at this by game (rather than on a daily basis).

NOTE - based on my past experience when posting these tables, I'll make this disclaimer. This is just statistical trivia. It's not intended to be an argument for or against either player. If you think these charts are disparaging to your favourite player, get some fresh air.

thanks for yet another Crosby/Ovi thread.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

It's around the 400 game mark that Crosby hit his peak, while Ovi was in his down years of 10-11 and 11-12. So that makes sense.

Exactly, Ovechkin had his two-year slump in 2011 and 2012 (he was still 5th in goals and 8th in points). That corresponds to around game 400, which is when Crosby started pulling away.

Is the gap closing around the 600 game mark the 14 15 and 15 16 seasons? Very interesting 100ish game stretch.

After 590 games, Crosby was ahead by 103 points (819-716). By game 657, Ovechkin cut the lead to 74 points (872-798), which is the closest it would be at any point for the rest of their careers.

That period corresponds to mid January 2015 to mid December 2015 for Crosby (53 points in 67 games), and early April 2013 to late February 2014 for Ovechkin (82 points in 67 games). I think this was the period where Crosby was struggling under coach Mike Johnson, and Ovechkin had a red-hot finish to the 2013 season and a really good start to 2014 (basically up to the Olympic break).

 

[wetcoast]

Here are the same charts, looking at it by game rather than by calendar date. I think this is accurate but let me know if anything looks off:

View attachment 529563

And the leads (greater than zero means Crosby is in the lead):

View attachment 529564

I knew Crosby would be ahead after about 400 games, but I thought it would be closer.

And the graph comments grow, now people will get triggered no doubt eh?

 

[Gurglesons]

A shame that lockouts did suxh damage to point totals here.

You’d potentially have Ovechkin easily breaking the goal scoring record and Crosby playing to break 2000 pts..

 

[Beau Knows]

It's amazing how the gap has stayed so close over the years. Are there any another star players that came into the league at the same time and were neck and neck in points for so long?

 

[Hockey Outsider]

And the graph comments grow, now people will get triggered no doubt eh?

For the record, those comments aren't jabs at the players themselves (they're jabs at the most cartoonish caricatures their opponents have used against them on HFBoards over the past 16 years).

 

[Mickey Marner]

It's amazing how the gap has stayed so close over the years. Are there any another star players that came into the league at the same time and were neck and neck in points for so long?

Well, Daniel and Henrik.

More seriously, Modano and Roenick until the lockout were neck and neck.

 

[North Cole]

Who was in the lead each day?

• Total days that have passed since October 1st, 2005: 6,036
• Number of days Ovechkin has been in the lead: 5,058 (83.8%)
• Number of days Crosby has been in the lead: 933 (15.5%)
• Tied: 45 (0.7%)

Largest leads

• Ovechkin's largest leads
  • 83 points (March 13th and 14th, 2012 - Ovechkin up 667-584)
• Crosby's largest leads
  • 33 points (November 17th and 18th, 2007 - Crosby up 252-218)
  • 33 points (January 12th, 2008 - Crosby up 283-250)
  • 33 points (January 14th, 2008 - Crosby up 285-252)

Crosby had 3 leads of 33 points? Whoa. 33+33 = 66. 33 can also be written 3 and 3. 3+3 = 6. When you add them up you get 666. A triangle has three sides...

Conclusion:

Explains the reffing at least

 

[paracord]

They are essentially tied but Ovechkin has played an extra 2 seasons over Sid.

 

[Dallas Winston]

Just illustrates how much better crosby is

 

[AD1066]

It's incredible that these two met and exceeded every expectation heaped upon them as teenagers in the wake of the lockout.