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Olympics: OV on Team Canada?

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Chain Attack said:
So Crosby's not an elite finisher? :sarcasm:
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Nope.

But there is alot to be said for timing. :nod:

WarriorofTime said:
He went what.. 4 games without scoring a goal? Clearly he's lost it!

If Stamkos was enough of a lock to make the team while injured, Ovechkin would be as well. After all, Stamkos pretty much just floats around and bangs home one-timers. Also he hasn't won squat in his career...

I mean people don't really think Stamkos is a great defensive forward or anything, right?
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I'm not arguing that Ovy wouldn't make team Canada. I am arguing he wouldn't neccesarily make them better.
 
WarriorofTime said:
He went what.. 4 games without scoring a goal? Clearly he's lost it!

If Stamkos was enough of a lock to make the team while injured, Ovechkin would be as well. After all, Stamkos pretty much just floats around and bangs home one-timers. Also he hasn't won squat in his career...

I mean people don't really think Stamkos is a great defensive forward or anything, right?
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Although not Selke caliber, Stamkos is better defensively than Ovechkin. Stamkos is aggressive on the forecheck and backcheck, and he's logged some PK time.
 
hatterson said:
I'm not saying they would have used him, I'm saying they *could* have used him.

I have no idea why Babcock didn't play Subban and preferred to have Hamhuis sitting on the bench. But I believe OV as a trigger man on the PP would have made it more potent.
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No doubt about that. So would've Subban. But he went with the godawful Keith-Sharp duo, which generated next to 0 offense.

Oh well. At the end of the day we still won. But it could have been fatal to the team. For all the "excellent" coaching nods Babcock got from people, I still have various doubts on many of his decisions... But winning made people suddenly forget a lot of things. The "most dominant team ever" threads are just icing on the cake. People were questioning the team's chances/play non-stop until the final.
 
hatterson said:
I'm not saying they would have used him, I'm saying they *could* have used him.

I have no idea why Babcock didn't play Subban and preferred to have Hamhuis sitting on the bench. But I believe OV as a trigger man on the PP would have made it more potent.
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Because if an injury occurred, Babcock felt more comfortable putting in Hamhuis. Doughty/Weber were already scoring, so it didn't really matter if Subban was there or not.
 
Chain Attack said:
Subban has 3 power play goals. Ovechkin has 15.
Nice try though.
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Talk about using stats without a iota of context.

Like, position. Or the team they play for. Or their respective PP set-ups. Or each teams respective situations as a whole.

Chris Kunitz is second only to Ovechkin with 12 PP goals. Why are people complaining that he made the team? He's a better two-way player by a mile than Ovechkin and is nearly as good on the PP.
 
Lebowski said:
Talk about using stats without a iota of context.

Like, position. Or the team they play for. Or their respective PP set-ups. Or each teams respective situations as a whole.

Chris Kunitz is second only to Ovechkin with 12 PP goals. Why are people complaining that he made the team? He's a better two-way player by a mile than Ovechkin and is nearly as good on the PP.
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You don't need context when you're talking about the best goal scorer in the modern era.
 
Lebowski said:
Talk about using stats without a iota of context.

Like, position. Or the team they play for. Or their respective PP set-ups. Or each teams respective situations as a whole.

Chris Kunitz is second only to Ovechkin with 12 PP goals. Why are people complaining that he made the team? He's a better two-way player by a mile than Ovechkin and is nearly as good on the PP.
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Maybe I don't watch enough Montreal games, but don't Ovechkin and Subban play similar power-play roles? Care to elucidate for me? Not sure what team they play for has to do with it. The Caps are lousy (all Ovechkin's fault I know).
 
Lebowski said:
Talk about using stats without a iota of context.

Like, position. Or the team they play for. Or their respective PP set-ups. Or each teams respective situations as a whole.

Chris Kunitz is second only to Ovechkin with 12 PP goals. Why are people complaining that he made the team? He's a better two-way player by a mile than Ovechkin and is nearly as good on the PP.
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How many of those were spoon fed from Crosby or Malkin right on the doorstep though?
 
I'm not certain his game would be a fit on this Team Canada.

He is a 'me' player.

Outside of Carey Price, it's hard to point out one skater who you can say single-handedly drove the bus during that tournament. Even Crosby sat passenger at moments during the tourney. I've never seen it in Ovy to be a guy who can sit back and watch the other guys step up.

And that isn't necessarily an awful thing, but guys like him can only truly thrive in certain environments. In others his play can be detrimental.
 
WarriorofTime said:
He's lead the league in goals, what is it? 1.5 times?

Ovechkin will be at 4 unless he breaks his leg or something sometime soon.
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I also forgot that they have been in the league the same amount of years and started at the same age
 
WarriorofTime said:
Maybe I don't watch enough Montreal games, but don't Ovechkin and Subban play similar power-play roles? Care to elucidate for me? Not sure what team they play for has to do with it. The Caps are lousy (all Ovechkin's fault I know).
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Both powerplays are centered around these two players, but they play very different roles.

And they don't play the same position either.

Ovechkin plays a lot higher than Subban, often closer to the boards as well. From what I've seen, the Caps often (to not say always) go for the cross-ice pass, forcing the goalie to go from post-to-post, and constantly set-up Ovechkin for the one-timer. He'll only rarely walk into the slot for a wrist shot. The Caps Ovechkin-centered is very similar to the Bolts Stamkos-centered set-up. The fact there has to be quite a bit of puck movement for Ovechkin to take his slapper often leads to open shooting lans

Subban plays a lot lower, and has a lot more conventional point role. People have adapted from last season and put a lot more pressure on him at the point, which explains why his PPP/PPG totals have plummeted. Therrien has yet to adapt his strategy, and we get to watch on a game-to-game basis Subban being fed the puck when he has absolutely no room to take the shot, and when he does, the shooting-lane is non existent. The Habs PP is broken, and will stay that way as long as they don't shake things up a bit. They have very little firepower on the wings to take away the attention that's on PK, Pacioretty being the only one that's able to legit beat a goalie with a shot.

PK has very few PP goals because he doesn't have the opportunity to shoot as much - and to get quality shots - as he did before. He's down at 2,576 shots per game and 5,3 SH% from 3 shots per game and 8,7 SH%, last season.

As for the "it's always Ovechkin's fault", you must have failed to get the point I was making, because that clearly wasn't what I was getting at. Babcock had one of the best trigger man available, and he decided to sit him to play Hamhuis and use Sharp on the PP. Thus, having Ovechkin has a 7th makes 0 sense.

Having him on Crosby's wing and having him play a similar role to what he plays on the Caps' PP, however, would have had its merits.
 
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