HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: 2024-2025 season

[Andrei79]

Crazy that the room temperature IQ posters on the main board are defending Reaves there. Clear hit to the head with intent to injure by a worthless player.

 

[ReHabs]

Crazy that the room temperature IQ posters on the main board are defending Reaves there. Clear hit to the head with intent to injure by a worthless player.

To preface: I hate dirty hits and think they ruin the game.

Players are told to forecheck and punish defenders. Reaves took speed and went to blow up the defender. Nurse was completely unaware of the SCUD missile coming his way.

Out of respect for the game and its players: Reaves should've eased up. There is not much more upside in pulverising a d-man (to the point of injury) versus blowing him up and making him hurt. The tangible difference is the targeted player might be pulled out of the game due to injury... but then so could you (the hitter), and so could other players on your team who get targeted in kind. That's why it's disrespectful. You're trying not to hurt the player but to make the player get hurt... that's beyond the bounds of a sport.

Reaves should've let up a bit when he knew he had Nurse. A split-second decision would've changed a devastating "dirty" hit into highlight reel hit anyone could be proud to have as their own.

With that said, is it a filthy hit that aimed for the head? No. It wasn't a drive-by, a slewfoot, a raised shoulder, a flying elbow, etc. Reaves drove into Nurse with maximum force while Nurse was bent over, in the danger zone by the boards, and completely unaware of his impending doom. Terrible lack of awareness from Nurse and a terrible decision to hurt another player from Reaves.

Hits like what Reaves did have to stop. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

You summarized it very well.

 

[Tyson]

To preface: I hate dirty hits and think they ruin the game.

Players are told to forecheck and punish defenders. Reaves took speed and went to blow up the defender. Nurse was completely unaware of the SCUD missile coming his way.

Out of respect for the game and its players: Reaves should've eased up. There is not much more upside in pulverising a d-man (to the point of injury) versus blowing him up and making him hurt. The tangible difference is the targeted player might be pulled out of the game due to injury... but then so could you (the hitter), and so could other players on your team who get targeted in kind. That's why it's disrespectful. You're trying not to hurt the player but to make the player get hurt... that's beyond the bounds of a sport.

Reaves should've let up a bit when he knew he had Nurse. A split-second decision would've changed a devastating "dirty" hit into highlight reel hit anyone could be proud to have as their own.

With that said, is it a filthy hit that aimed for the head? No. It wasn't a drive-by, a slewfoot, a raised shoulder, a flying elbow, etc. Reaves drove into Nurse with maximum force while Nurse was bent over, in the danger zone by the boards, and completely unaware of his impending doom. Terrible lack of awareness from Nurse and a terrible decision to hurt another player from Reaves.


You summarized it very well.

 

[Blanka]

Crazy that the room temperature IQ posters on the main board are defending Reaves there. Clear hit to the head with intent to injure by a worthless player.

I thought it was a great hit.

 

[1909]

How did 46 players get picked before Logan Stankhoven? He is so damn good

Size. Like Hutson.

Dallas struck gold twice that year. They drafted Johnston in the first round (23rd) and Stankoven , second round at 46th. And few years before, Robertson in the second round too. I don’t know if Mavric Bourque will pan out at NHL level, or will remain just an excellent AHL player.

 

[sampollock]

I thought it was a great hit.

I fig fan would

 

[Ezpz]

2022 draft falling pretty flat on their faces. Cooley the only guy other than slaf not having a massive slump compared to last season. Guys like mintyukov being replacement level. Poitras indeed was a flash in the pan. Hutson is probably already the best player from the draft.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Reaves could have hit his shoulder but he dodged it and went right into his face. Time to make an example of that clown.

 

[OnTheRun]

Reaves could have hit his shoulder but he dodged it and went right into his face. Time to make an example of that clown.

He got 5 games because he is a scrub. A similar hit earlier this season was 2 games.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

He got 5 games because he is a scrub. A similar hit earlier this season was 2 games.

He got 5 because he's a dirty player and has been suspended before.

 

[Tyson]

The idiots running the league don't care about player safety

 

[PeteWorrell]

The idiots running the league don't care about player safety

The only way they will care, is if the league is hit financially.

I would love to see some lawsuits against the league.

 

[Tyson]

The only way they will care, is if the league is hit financially.

I would love to see some lawsuits against the league.

Same here

 

[Leto]

The idiots running the league don't care about player safety

Bettman & co are only part of the problem. I also blame the players and the NHLPA.

The union and the players are way too complacent about making their $$$ than enforcing anything regarding player safety. Superstars should be vocal and participate in the union. Instead they prefer to cash in their paycheck and let bottom 6 grinders and fringe players be the team's union representative.​

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Bettman & co are only part of the problem. I also blame the players and the NHLPA.

The union and the players are way too complacent about making their $$$ than enforcing anything regarding player safety. Superstars should be vocal and participate in the union. Instead they prefer to cash in their paycheck and let bottom 6 grinders and fringe players be the team's union representative.​

It's a double edged sword, though.

The player's union is there to defend both parties, so there's a direct conflict of interest.

The union is there to get players money and make sure the teams don't push them too far with various things (too many practices, not enough days off, etc), so for the union to come out and say "Play A should be suspended longer" is going against what the union is there for.

A longer suspension is less money for the player(s). The union has shown they don't care about ex-NHLers because they're not paying into the union. (Just look at the various players struggling after retirement)








Reaves got 5 because he's a nothing burger player.

McDavid throws a hit like that and I'd be surprised if he gets more than the 5 and a game.

The league needs to realize hits to the head are always going to be there because the game is just too fast.

The league needs to realize players need to protect themselves by getting their head up. Nurse was too focused on the puck and it sounds like no one on his team was telling him to heads up, Reaves is coming.

I posted this on the mainboard, but these two stills are a split second apart. Nurse reaches for the puck, Reaves straightens up to hit him.

Reaves is a useless plug, but he doesn't leave his feet, he doesn't take a bunch of strides into Nurse, he doesn't extend the elbow. Aside from his shoulder catching Nurse's head with the last second change by both it's a bad hit and he gets 5 and a game. Parros, the absolute idiot goes above and gives him 5 because he is who he is.

Thankfully Nurse is fine by the sounds of it and might be in the lineup tomorrow against the Habs.

Then again, players get called for boarding because the opposing player tries to spin last second and gets stapled first face into the boards.

 

[Leto]

It's a double edged sword, though.

The player's union is there to defend both parties, so there's a direct conflict of interest.

The union is there to get players money and make sure the teams don't push them too far with various things (too many practices, not enough days off, etc), so for the union to come out and say "Play A should be suspended longer" is going against what the union is there for.

A longer suspension is less money for the player(s). The union has shown they don't care about ex-NHLers because they're not paying into the union. (Just look at the various players struggling after retirement)

Reaves got 5 because he's a nothing burger player.

McDavid throws a hit like that and I'd be surprised if he gets more than the 5 and a game.

The league needs to realize hits to the head are always going to be there because the game is just too fast.

The league needs to realize players need to protect themselves by getting their head up. Nurse was too focused on the puck and it sounds like no one on his team was telling him to heads up, Reaves is coming.

I posted this on the mainboard, but these two stills are a split second apart. Nurse reaches for the puck, Reaves straightens up to hit him.

Reaves is a useless plug, but he doesn't leave his feet, he doesn't take a bunch of strides into Nurse, he doesn't extend the elbow. Aside from his shoulder catching Nurse's head with the last second change by both it's a bad hit and he gets 5 and a game. Parros, the absolute idiot goes above and gives him 5 because he is who he is.

Thankfully Nurse is fine by the sounds of it and might be in the lineup tomorrow against the Habs.

Then again, players get called for boarding because the opposing player tries to spin last second and gets stapled first face into the boards.

All fair points. On your last point, I remember Marek talking to Friedman on his past radio show about how young players nowadays uses the boarding rule to try to extract a penalty against the other team. It's not just players not protecting themselves, it's them - purposefully - being reckless.

 

[Kennerback]

Who could have ever imagined this….

Flyers Hold Meetings to Avoid Michkov Frustration with Tortorella

The Flyers are holding weekly meetings with Matvei Michkov to ensure he stays aligned with coach John Tortorella’s in-the-moment decisions.

nhltradetalk.com

 

[Shred]

Who could have ever imagined this….

Flyers Hold Meetings to Avoid Michkov Frustration with Tortorella

The Flyers are holding weekly meetings with Matvei Michkov to ensure he stays aligned with coach John Tortorella’s in-the-moment decisions.

nhltradetalk.com

Players require a lot of communication nowadays. Good move by the Flyers for once!

 

[The Great Weal]

Sam Dickinson has 30 points in 17 games. He would have been my guy if Demidov hadn't been available to us. Still can't believe he fell to 11, that's a Dobson-esque fall. Hopefully we get that kind of player with the Flames pick.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Ovechkin might just break Gretzky goals record this season. He is 31 goals away.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Players require a lot of communication nowadays. Good move by the Flyers for once!

No. It's another stupid move. Do they meet with every player once a week. if not the others should ask for a trade.

 

[Shred]

No. It's another stupid move. Do they meet with every player once a week. if not the others should ask for a trade.

The other players speak english.

 

[JianYang]

It's a double edged sword, though.

The player's union is there to defend both parties, so there's a direct conflict of interest.

The union is there to get players money and make sure the teams don't push them too far with various things (too many practices, not enough days off, etc), so for the union to come out and say "Play A should be suspended longer" is going against what the union is there for.

A longer suspension is less money for the player(s). The union has shown they don't care about ex-NHLers because they're not paying into the union. (Just look at the various players struggling after retirement)








Reaves got 5 because he's a nothing burger player.

McDavid throws a hit like that and I'd be surprised if he gets more than the 5 and a game.

The league needs to realize hits to the head are always going to be there because the game is just too fast.

The league needs to realize players need to protect themselves by getting their head up. Nurse was too focused on the puck and it sounds like no one on his team was telling him to heads up, Reaves is coming.

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I posted this on the mainboard, but these two stills are a split second apart. Nurse reaches for the puck, Reaves straightens up to hit him.

Reaves is a useless plug, but he doesn't leave his feet, he doesn't take a bunch of strides into Nurse, he doesn't extend the elbow. Aside from his shoulder catching Nurse's head with the last second change by both it's a bad hit and he gets 5 and a game. Parros, the absolute idiot goes above and gives him 5 because he is who he is.

Thankfully Nurse is fine by the sounds of it and might be in the lineup tomorrow against the Habs.

Then again, players get called for boarding because the opposing player tries to spin last second and gets stapled first face into the boards.

I think this is a cavalier way of looking at it.

The hitter ought to know the risk that the are taking of clocking someone in the head. If you take that thought out of the hitter's mind, they will only attempt these kinds of hits more and more under the guise of "it was unintentional". That's a road to increased concussions.

You're responsible for your stick no matter what, and you ought to be responsible for clocking someone in the head at full speed no matter what (assuming the player isn't lying on the ice or something).

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I think this is a cavalier way of looking at it.

The hitter ought to know the risk that the are taking of clocking someone in the head. If you take that thought out of the hitter's mind, they will only attempt these kinds of hits more and more under the guise of "it was unintentional". That's a road to increased concussions.

You're responsible for your stick no matter what, and you ought to be responsible for clocking someone in the head at full speed no matter what (assuming the player isn't lying on the ice or something).

That's a fair way to look at it, but it's known no one is allowed to hit you in the face legally with their stick.

You're allowed to hit players.
Players know they're going to be hit and do what they can to protect themselves.
Sometimes the hit is clean.
Sometimes the hit isn't.
Sometimes there's head contact and the hit isn't clean.
Sometimes there's head contact and the hit is clean.

Hitters should do a better job to ensure they go through the body than the head, but sometimes it's on the player himself.

Like Barron getting cranked by Trouba.