HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: 2024-2025 season

[red devil]

 

[Tyson]

Yep I agree with him but the youngster takes the fall...sounds familiar

 

[salbutera]

Kaako would look good w Dach & Laine - he’s the type of defensively sound puck retriever that would complement their games

 

[vokiel]

Not sure I understand your question.

Bell-Media isn't RDS directly afaik, so if they go down, RDS survives by getting new investors or selling their assets to new owners, and the hockey crew on RDS likely survives.

Kaako would look good w Dach & Laine - he’s the type of defensively sound puck retriever that would complement their games

Kakko would look good without Dach also.

 

[sampollock]

NYR has a mess there. what happens now?
more trades or fire the coach

 

[Andy]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

 

[salbutera]

NYR has a mess there. what happens now?
more trades or fire the coach

Depends on whether Dolan is snorting or not..

 

[Toene]

Bell-Media isn't RDS directly afaik, so if they go down, RDS survives by getting new investors or selling their assets to new owners, and the hockey crew on RDS likely survives.


Kakko would look good without Dach also.

My understanding is that RDS is owned by Bell Media but they werent always, so maybe you're right.

 

[badfish]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

Sorry but I come to HF for irrational emotional takes, not logical arguments.

 

[Rapala]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

Yeah just another okay how is this supposed to fit going forward.
Maybe if we flipped one trouble for another but even then Kakko doesn't seem to have the grit we sorely lack.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Coco would be -15 if he did not get sheltered minutes but he's too dumb to figure that out so he whines to the media.

Stay away from low iq skaters

Skinner!!!!

 

[The Great Weal]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

Probably because nobody is advocating to give up 13th OA+mid round picks, or a 1st and very early 2nd for him.

Don’t think anyone would complain about Kakko if he could be had for cheap unlike Newhook and Dach.

 

[Andy]

Probably because nobody is advocating to give up 13th OA+mid round picks, or a 1st and very early 2nd for him.

Don’t think anyone would complain about Kakko if he could be had for cheap unlike Newhook and Dach.

Well Kakko is in his 6th nhl season where Dach and Newhook were traded after their 3rd nhl seasons (though Newhook played 6 games in one of them, and Dach played 18 in another). It's not really apples and apples here.

 

[The Great Weal]

Well Kakko is in his 6th nhl season where Dach and Newhook were traded after their 3rd nhl seasons. It's not really apples and apples here.

And people would be pissed off if we paid that price for Kakko after his 3rd NHL season and he didn’t work out.

Don’t really get your point as the price paid at the time of the trade is a massive factor that you are ignoring.

 

[Andy]

And people would be pissed off if we paid that price for Kakko after his 3rd NHL season and he didn’t work out.

Don’t really get your point as the price paid at the time of the trade is a massive factor that you are ignoring.

I never spoke about the trade costs. I'm talking about the patience people are willing to afford to projects not on this team compared to the ones on this team.

Youre the one shifting the discussion to value.

 

[The Great Weal]

I never spoke about the trade costs.

That's my entire point. Trade cost 100% needs to be taken into account. To ignore it would be incredibly disingenuous. Now, if someone advocates trading a 1st and a 2nd for Kakko, you'd have a very valid point, but I do not see that.

I'm talking about the patience people are willing to afford to projects not on this team compared to the ones on this team.

Youre the one shifting the discussion to value.

So you think paying 13th OA+picks compared to a mid to late 2nd rounder should generate the same expectation for the respective player from the fan base?

I'm not shifting any discussion, I'm including the important topic of value which you failed to mention in your original post.

 

[LaP]

Coco would be -15 if he did not get sheltered minutes but he's too dumb to figure that out so he whines to the media.

Stay away from low iq skaters

Skinner!!!!

It's crazy that despite the peewee defensive play by the dman my main reaction after this goal was "what a f***ing weak goal by the goalie". That's how weak that goal was. Was that Ekholm? Man he has gotten sloooowwwwww.

 

[LaP]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

Kakko is a worse gamble as he is older. Dach was only 21 i mean he was a gamble like any prospects but he was not labelled a bust yet and not even close. Newhook was a bit closer to bust status but still one year younger than Kakko is atm. Kakko is almost 24 he's getting close to Chad Kilger status the price would need to be lower than NYR wound want.

 

[Miller Time]

Kakko is a worse gamble as he is older. Dach was only 21 i mean he was a gamble like any prospects but he was not labelled a bust yet and not even close. Newhook was a bit closer to bust status but still one year younger than Kakko is atm. Kakko is almost 24 he's getting close to Chad Kilger status the price would need to be lower than NYR wound want.

And this is precisely what the usual suspects will ignore when Kakko gets moved for less than Newhook or Dach and they proceed to hold that up as proof of the Habs "mistake" or "bad judgement"

Context is a bridge too far for most hot takes.


I hope we take a flyer on Kakko. Change of scenery might help the guy unlock some of that offense upside, but if not, he's trending to be a very reliable depth forward and would be a good replacement for Armia

 

[jrom]

Probably because nobody is advocating to give up 13th OA+mid round picks, or a 1st and very early 2nd for him.

Don’t think anyone would complain about Kakko if he could be had for cheap unlike Newhook and Dach.

Dach was a costly acquisition.

Newhook ? We traded something equivalent to Mesar / Kulich in term of draft capital and we got a middle 6 C/W.

 

[Andy]

For the record, I am not saying the habs should not kick tires on Kakko.

What I’m saying is that he will require the very patience most are no longer willing to give to Dach and Newhook.

 

[Hins77]

I always laugh when I hear folks ragging on Dach, Newhook, but then are starry eyed on Kakko. He's having the same consistency issues and is the exact same type of gamble you aren't patient for with the players the habs have.

I would trade Newhook for Kakko immediatly if the trade was on table. I don't see newhook better offensively than kakko, and I think Kakko can become more complete player than Newhook. Physically and defensively

 

[Miller Time]

I would trade Newhook for Kakko immediatly if the trade was on table. I don't see newhook better offensively than kakko, and I think Kakko can become more complete player than Newhook. Physically and defensively

Interesting... Not sure if so that.

Newhook seems to have a higher offensive production ceiling this year's struggles notwithstanding (don't forget Kakko has played on a cup contending caliber roster surrounded by elite talent vs the Habs league basement roster Newhook has played with), and is signed 2 more years at 2.9M, then is an RFA with a relatively low QA.

Kakko's current deal is up this summer, and with the massive cap increase, will likely be getting a raise.

All things considered, even though I'd agree Kakko has a higher floor, I don't think I'd do that 1:1 at this point

 

[Toene]

No it isn't.

Pierre Houde and Marc Denis are the goats

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Pierre Houde and Marc Denis are the goats

That's like saying Mike Johnson saves TSN.

He's better than anything in either language media.

And that's just f***ing sad.

Denis and Corrado are in the running for 2nd.