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Guelph Bruin said:
I am sure. There has been an exodus of high end talent wanting to escape a team that has stalled ...regardless if it's in RFA stage or UFA stage it's discontent they don't want brewing. It brews from early stages. This is 100% a play to keep Bedard by improving their team now and not in 3-4 years from now.
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Yeah but I would say there's a very strong case to be made that it's high time for Chicago to start doing that anyway. They've had quite enough years loading up on picks and kids, of whom Bedard is obviously one. Time to get moving on doing the harder yards to turn all that potential into a contender. For sure you want to keep your star happy, I just think the bigger narrative is more important - they should be doing this regardless of what one player may or may not think.

Which is fine. End of the day it goes back to the crux of the issue - was Byram the right guy to invest in to that extent? I'm not convinced, but points at least for taking the plunge and we'll see what happens.
 
Aussie Bruin said:
Yeah but I would say there's a very strong case to be made that it's high time for Chicago to start doing that anyway. They've had quite enough years loading up on picks and kids, of whom Bedard is obviously one. Time to get moving on doing the harder yards to turn all that potential into a contender. For sure you want to keep your star happy, I just think the bigger narrative is more important - they should be doing this regardless of what one player may or may not think.

Which is fine. End of the day it goes back to the crux of the issue - was Byram the right guy to invest in to that extent? I'm not convinced, but points at least for taking the plunge and we'll see what happens.
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Can i ask if you think Chuckie was worth the investment for the Bruins? Bo is similar IMO. I for one have been on the fence with it fot years...flip flopping back and forth. That being said ....if thats the comparable would you trade Chuckie for the 4OA this year? Tough choice.
 
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It's true that the Bruins did not leverage their physical advantage in the playoffs. While they didn't need to get caught up trying to beat up Buffalo, they did not run them off the ice either. For whatever reasons.

Sounds like some of the X/Twitter analysts are hinting that Buffalo has other moves in progress. Hellebuyck is mentioned. I can understand them flipping the pick for immediate help. I'd just be careful with it. There's a decent chance that a Chase Reid or Caleb Malhotra could step into the lineup. I guess it's true that such a player might not have the immediate impact that Buffalo could use but you never know. Schaefer was an immediate star. Reid could be the #1 defenseman selected so he'd be good (he's not going to be Schaefer of course). But #4 OA picks are not easy to come by so they need to be smart about how they flip it, if they do.

As far as Sweeney goes and these moves this week that the Bruins have not been in on, I don't know what to say other than what many people already think about it. His defenders will say the prices are so high, good thing the Bruins did not take the bait! Me, I struggle to reconcile the inactivity with their self stated need to find more talent and get better and to be aggressive. So far, they have not delivered. Maybe they will but they're on the clock to make something happen.

If I see Robert Thomas or Jason Robertson or other players at that level get traded and Boston is not involved, I just won't be in a forgiving mood. Avoiding (all) risk is not compatible with the goal of being aggressive.
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I think the Bruins problem is they are stuck in the mushy middle. They did a year of "retool" and did it well but then switched back to compete now right away and that leaves you in the middle. You can't rebuild or "retool" in one year. Now they are trying to do both things at the same time and they just don't have the assets to make that possible.
 
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Guelph Bruin said:
Can i ask if you think Chuckie was worth the investment for the Bruins? Bo is similar IMO. I for one have been on the fence with it fot years...flip flopping back and forth. That being said ....if thats the comparable would you trade Chuckie for the 4OA this year? Tough choice.
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McAvoy had just come off a top 5 Norris year at 23. Byram has never even gotten a vote of any kind.
 
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quietbruinfan said:
Yep, and that fact makes your version, and Rosa's, make more sense.
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Well, his article was in the Globe on the morning of the draft. Thank you, but it's not my version, it's Rosa's. IIRC, he was also right about Harry passing Brian Bellows with the first pick.

For any of our younger fans, who don't know about Fran Rosa: Francis Rosa - Wikipedia.

Broons' fans were very fortunate to not only have Rosa writing for the Globe, but the legandary D. Leo Monahan writing for the Herald.
 
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4ORRBRUIN said:
Is this real? Why would you want to get rid of a top 5 player at his position for a draft pick?

Makes sense keep up the good work.
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to get younger, for more potential than Chuckie brings (like running a powerplay), to get value out of a contract for team in the mushy middle who needs to rebuild? I could go on .....lots of sensible reasons for those with sensible ears. I for one do not want to trade Chuckie, I like the guy and what he brings and am honest on what he doesn't bring ...a 4OA might actually be better ...might not ....no one knows. It is clear that DS is happy staying in the mushy middle for now ...just saying Chicago (basement dwellers) are not happy being where they are at and the Bedard situation requiring a competitive.... minimum playoff team. This started out as why Chicago traded a 4OA for a good puck moving defensemen with a good playoff coming into his prime..when others thought they could do better or keep the pick ...I merely posed the comparable question if Chuckie is worth the 4OA.....do you think he's better than what you'd get at 4OA? He definitely is better right now, but in 5 years?
 
Guelph Bruin said:
to get younger, for more potential than Chuckie brings (like running a powerplay), to get value out of a contract for team in the mushy middle who needs to rebuild? I could go on .....lots of sensible reasons for those with sensible ears. I for one do not want to trade Chuckie, I like the guy and what he brings and am honest on what he doesn't bring ...a 4OA might actually be better ...might not ....no one knows. It is clear that DS is happy staying in the mushy middle for now ...just saying Chicago (basement dwellers) are not happy being where they are at and the Bedard situation requiring a competitive.... minimum playoff team. This started out as why Chicago traded a 4OA for a good puck moving defensemen with a good playoff coming into his prime..when others thought they could do better or keep the pick ...I merely posed the comparable question if Chuckie is worth the 4OA.....do you think he's better than what you'd get at 4OA? He definitely is better right now, but in 5 years?
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Chicago are fools doesn't mean we need to be. No I wouldn't trade Charlie for the 4oa
 
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Guelph Bruin said:
Can i ask if you think Chuckie was worth the investment for the Bruins? Bo is similar IMO. I for one have been on the fence with it fot years...flip flopping back and forth. That being said ....if thats the comparable would you trade Chuckie for the 4OA this year? Tough choice.
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I think it really depends on a lot of parameters you'd need to establish first as to where exactly the Bruins are at and where you think they should be going. But short answer: no I wouldn't.

If it's for the purposes of a full rebuild I'd want more than that for a player of Charlie's calibre. And if it's not then I can't see the sense in it given Mac is still only 28 and should have years left of prime play. Throwing all that development effort away just for one pick, no matter how high, would be silly.
 
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Aussie Bruin said:
I think it really depends on a lot of parameters you'd need to establish first as to where exactly the Bruins are at and where you think they should be going. But short answer: no I wouldn't.

If it's for the purposes of a full rebuild I'd want more than that for a player of Charlie's calibre. And if it's not then I can't see the sense in it given Mac is still only 28 and should have years left of prime play. Throwing all that development effort away just for one pick, no matter how high, would be silly.
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Another man of conviction...thank you. I'm just trying to prove a point that 4OA really isn't a guarantee of jack squat in term of getting an elite player and it takes years to develop said draft choice...and Chicago already having built up a stockpile of high draft picks in their system have transitioned to getting better now and that is exactly what they did.
 
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Guelph Bruin said:
Another man of conviction...thank you. I'm just trying to prove a point that 4OA really isn't a guarantee of jack squat in term of getting an elite player and it takes years to develop said draft choice...and Chicago already having built up a stockpile of high draft picks in their system have transitioned to getting better now and that is exactly what they did.
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Yes I get all that and for the most part agree with it. But again, it comes back to the basic question: is Byram worth it? To me, he's got to become a core player, a legit top pair defender, or he's not. And I'm not convinced he will, certainly not enough to take that bet.

Chicago thinks otherwise. Fine. Only one way to find out if they are right.
 
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Aussie Bruin said:
Yes I get all that and for the most part agree with it. But again, it comes back to the basic question: is Byram worth it? To me, he's got to become a core player, a legit top pair defender, or he's not. And I'm not convinced he will, certainly not enough to take that bet.

Chicago thinks otherwise. Fine. Only one way to find out if they are right.
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He was 51st in ATOI among D-men last year at 22:20 per game. If I could pick any left-shot D-man I wanted to pair with McAvoy, he's solidly in my Top 20. I think he's a top pair D now the question is with added opportunity can be become a legit. No. 1?
 
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