Our whole powerplay coaching staff should be fired if Tavares is not playing the first unit

[Mugzy97]

Leafs were 16th. in the league in PP%.
marner is a key component of that fact.
If you don't have a shot from the right point and you don't have a shot from the left point you(opposition) just use your 4 skaters to cover 3 shooters.
They have to change something, whether it is marner or Rielly.

Marner lead the team in Powerplay points, that’s what Marner does. Of course I’d like to see him pot some goals, but he’s not a goal scorer

 

[ITM]

Don't know if Kerfoot's name has been brought up, but having just turned 27, and given his somewhat coming out party these past playoffs, should he figure more prominently in a move that would certainly establish depth through both units?

Perhaps Kerfoot to the 1st PP?

 

[ULF_55]

Marner lead the team in Powerplay points, that’s what Marner does. Of course I’d like to see him pot some goals, but he’s not a goal scorer

And to be fair he is on pace to match what Keon did.
Matthews on pace to match Sittler.

 

[Mugzy97]

Don't know if Kerfoot's name has been brought up, but having just turned 27, and given his somewhat coming out party these past playoffs, should he figure more prominently in a move that would certainly establish depth through both units?

Perhaps Kerfoot to the 1st PP?

Not sure Kerfoot's choppy hands and skill fits a powerplay, I feel like he would turn the puck over too much.

 

[ULF_55]

Not sure Kerfoot's choppy hands and skill fits a powerplay, I feel like he would turn the puck over too much.

Already have enough turnovers on the PP.

 

[ACC1224]

Don't know if Kerfoot's name has been brought up, but having just turned 27, and given his somewhat coming out party these past playoffs, should he figure more prominently in a move that would certainly establish depth through both units?

Perhaps Kerfoot to the 1st PP?

He's never shown the hands for it, IMO.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

I'm pretty sure they have a coach for that.

Do you remember how Lidstrom looked on the PP when he was 20?

I do think they need a threat from the point.

Honestly don't care who is on PP1 or PP2, it just has to be effective.

Lidstrom wasn't in the league when he was 20. Didn't make it until he was 22.

 

[ULF_55]

Not sure Kerfoot's choppy hands and skill fits a powerplay, I feel like he would turn the puck over too much.

Maybe it is opportunity looks like he may have had it in Colorado?

 

[Sypher04]

How many PP goals did Kadri score in those two best years? Man, what a luxury he was scoring 30+ goals as the 2-3 centre playing net front on that top PP unit you rightfully called dominant.

Almost like trading away good players who add important value to the team without adequate replacement hurts the overall product.

Leave it to you to find the most overtly negative response possible to the post you quoted. Hey, I mean who cares about context eh, like Kadri more or less forcing them to trade him with his suspensions and irresponsibility. Also, Tavares had 47 goals in year 1 with the Leafs, so I think they’re doing just fine. Almost like trading Kadri isn’t the problem to make it out to be…

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

A Mike Babcock coached team, prior to Tavares was ranked #2 overall PP% in 2017-18 operating at 24.9 %, with the #2OA scoring offense.

A Sheldon Keefe coached team, with Tavares was ranked #16th OA in 2020-21 operating at 20%.

PS. The other specialty team has taken even a worse nose dive since then as Leafs PK% ended up #24th in the league last year, going from #10th in 2017-18.

The leafs penalty killing woes under Keefe are quite misleading. If you separate the games the Andersen played and the games where anybody else was in net the Leafs PK under Keefe has been top 10. When Andersen has been in the net, the PK has been bottom 10, even bottom 5 at points.

 

[Sypher04]

To whoever said it earlier in the thread, saying the Leafs don’t have the forwards to make good split pp units is complete nonsense.

 

[ITM]

Maybe it is opportunity looks like he may have had it in Colorado?
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Those look like PP2 (ie COL) numbers to me. Replace Marner with Kerfoot on the 1st unit

PP1: Matthews, Tavares, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Reilly.
PP2: Nylander, Marner, Ritchie, Brodie, Sandin.

That looks positively Quinnian to me: Net presence, set-up, shots all around.

 

[Mugzy97]

Maybe it is opportunity looks like he may have had it in Colorado?
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Those look like PP2 (ie COL) numbers to me. Replace Marner with Kerfoot on the 1st unit

PP1: Matthews, Tavares, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Reilly.
PP2: Nylander, Marner, Ritchie, Brodie, Sandin.

That looks positively Quinnian to me: Net presence, set-up, shots all around.

Yeah go ahead and replace Marner with Kerfoot on the powerplay LOL

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah go ahead and replace Marner with Kerfoot on the powerplay LOL

Would I take marner off for Kerfoot?
Not likely, but would I give Kerfoot more time?
Results should determine who is playing when and where.
Or do you believe some are just entitled?

 

[Mugzy97]

Would I take marner off for Kerfoot?
Not likely, but would I give Kerfoot more time?
Results should determine who is playing when and where.
Or do you believe some are just entitled?

I believe certain players are suited for certain roles, and I don't see Kerfoot as a PP guy.

 

[ITM]

Yeah go ahead and replace Marner with Kerfoot on the powerplay LOL

 

[Sypher04]

Those look like PP2 (ie COL) numbers to me. Replace Marner with Kerfoot on the 1st unit

PP1: Matthews, Tavares, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Reilly.
PP2: Nylander, Marner, Ritchie, Brodie, Sandin.

That looks positively Quinnian to me: Net presence, set-up, shots all around.

not exactly how I would configure things. 2nd unit needs a center who will win draws, so for that reason alone Matthews and Tavares should be split. Pair one of Marner and Nylander with each and build out the units from there. I also agree and have been thinking for a while that you go back to 2 D and Muzzin with his big shot should factor in. I could see Rielly Muzzin locking down the points on one of the split power play squads for sure

 

[Azail]

How many PP goals did Kadri score in those two best years? Man, what a luxury he was scoring 30+ goals as the 2-3 centre playing net front on that top PP unit you rightfully called dominant.

Almost like trading away good players who add important value to the team without adequate replacement hurts the overall product.

Yea subtracting Kadri for JT was a huge step down. Especially when JT scored 47 and Kadri scored 16 the same year.

 

[Coachcorner]

Yea subtracting Kadri for JT was a huge step down. Especially when JT scored 47 and Kadri scored 16 the same year.

Johnny Tavares is the ANSWER, not the problem. Every team would love to have him, hard.

 

[sparxx87]

Yea subtracting Kadri for JT was a huge step down. Especially when JT scored 47 and Kadri scored 16 the same year.

What? Kadri was subtracted for Kerfoot (and Barrie), not Tavares? If you read carefully, my post clearly says something about "without replacement" right? What do you think that means?

Specific skill sets factor in different situations. They removed a unique one in Kadri from their PP (on top of JVR) and didn't bring in anyone close to either that can pick up slack.

Since then, the PP has been wildly inconsistent at best and pathetic at worst.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Marner lead the team in Powerplay points, that’s what Marner does. Of course I’d like to see him pot some goals, but he’s not a goal scorer

Exactly that's why you don't put him one of three shooting spots .. we have 3 shooting spots on last years PP .. 2 occupied by guys who have worse than muffin shots .. that is da core issue/problem .. it allows other teams to man up Matty and take away his shooting lanes as no one cares if Rielly or Mitch bring puck to net and shoot .. those shots are not beating NHL tenders without a big heavy screen/tip net front presence which we don't have in lineup .. it is so simple yet coaches/mgmt are rooks and are trying to force a program that will never work

 

[zeke]

LMAO this is actually so false. Tavares' 47 goal season happened because he was so effective on the PP. The decline of the PP happened because Marner and Matthews have done the same shit for the last 5 years and the NHL figured it out. They don't move the puck around enough and they are very stagnant. That is the issue

Actually this isn't true - Tavares big 1st year with the leafs was built on the best even strength production of his career - 37gls and 69pts at even strength that year blew away his prior career bests of 25gls and 54pts.

Meanwhile his 10gl/19pt production on the PP that year was actually well below average PP production for him - though to be fair he got much less PP time here than be did in NY.

 

[BlueForever75]

Actually this isn't true - Tavares big 1st year with the leafs was built on the best even strength production of his career - 37gls and 69pts at even strength that year blew away his prior career bests of 25gls and 54pts.

Meanwhile his 10gl/19pt production on the PP that year was actually well below average PP production for him - though to be fair he got much less PP time here than be did in NY.

Simply put if the Leafs keep with the same units on the PP they need to change up their plays because the league has figured them out. There is no doubt this team has enough talent to ice 2 effective powerplay units. Its teaching them that they cannot use the same setups all the time.

The PP QB should be like the QB on a football field. Calling plays on entries to change it up. Entering the zones should be different, When one setup doesnt work on 1 try and puck is retrieved, PP QB should change play and setup on the fly. Call out a number, team corresponds.

There is enough talent and skill on this team to change things up on the fly. Coaching needs to be better to engrave that it players like Marner, Matthews and Reilly who are the catalysts of our issues we have experienced over the past 2 seasons on the PP.

 

[Coachcorner]

ps Even though some have asked, I am not John Tavares's agent. No.

 

[francis246]

Actually this isn't true - Tavares big 1st year with the leafs was built on the best even strength production of his career - 37gls and 69pts at even strength that year blew away his prior career bests of 25gls and 54pts.

Meanwhile his 10gl/19pt production on the PP that year was actually well below average PP production for him - though to be fair he got much less PP time here than be did in NY.

You have some great posts Zeke so I'm not trying to come for you, but this post lacks a lot of context.
well to be fair he was second on the team in PP goals that year. Matthews had 12 and Tavares had 10, the next person had 4.
So he clearly was not the issue on the PP. It's kind of ludicrous to actually blame him for the downfall of the leafs PP.