Ottawa Senators for sale (upd: sold to Michael Andlauer)

ottawah

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What else can be developed at LeBreton Flats? I can understand developers being interested in the team from a real estate play if that is the case, like the Tempe Entertainment District. What is the background of the bidders? Can't all have made their money from real estate?

Arguably anything, the space is substantial. Until you factor in the NCC. They control the land. Generally they would be favorable to parks, libraries, museums, subsidized housing. Not exactly big money maker for developers.

Furthermore, they have granted 6 acres for an arena/hotel, roughly 500 feet by 500 feet. For reference, 6 acres is almost exactly the size of the current building only. Thats not much room to do anything with. The NCC moves at a glacial pace, having sat on the land for the last 70 years with maybe 5-10% given up for development, although they did give the greenlight to near complete development 10 years ago, hard to say how that experience may sway them. After the last debacle, they claimed to be more interested in smaller more modular development rather than a huge vision package. But I hardly trust them to keep their vision from week to week.

Obviously the bidders have been eyeing this as a development opportunity, but you've already seen at least one high profile bid lost because of the uncertainty of any more additional land being made available and the general cold water the city poured on the idea of a Calgary type of deal. The league also claimed there was no issue staying in Kanata, although I think that was more to pressure the NCC and the city. But in any case, last years attendance numbers has most people thinking they are likely to be back in the 18000-19500 range in attendance soon, which makes a downtown arena a tough sell if there are not major concessions.

Ultimately the long and short of it is there is no guarantee of what will happen at this point, and that likely has the bidders a bit anxious. Anyone bidding with an eye of financing this via extra development and/or government sweeteners have probably taken a sober second look
 
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Masked

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They got the donuts? Excellent....
Tribe claims land and takes legal action, action which will take years and years to settle.
Theorically no construction could be done until such legal claims are settled....unless you work with the tribe to own the team and build something on their land.

False, Indigenous and claims are not dealt with this way in Canada. The negotiations are over, one, do they indeed have a claim and if so, two, how much do they get paid for it.

That's how the negotiations went with the tribes that have already finished negotiations with the government over that land.

Assen na yo!
 

GKJ

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Either he didn’t have the winning bid, or they are trying to get more from him. If you are committed to owning the team, you don’t drop out just because the process is taking too long. How long you think it’s gonna take to close the deal?
 

Gil Gunderson

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The league always wanted Andlauer/Kimels but Steve A. had by far the highest number. While it won't sell for as much, they're probably a little glad the problem sorted itself out. If the Kimels walk, they're f***ed though and Andlauer is basically in control. Make a decision already.
 

BMN

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This is a completely subjective take but I always feel like the sweet spot for a league is when they have two really serious bids to choose from. No bids is a disaster. One good bid is nice but you have no negotiation power. More than two good bids is a great sign you have a hot property but it becomes a "Three's a Crowd" situation where either you dither or people become terrified that you will dither.

I don't think this is so bad because right now, the reporting is suggesting that it's down to two "contenders".....if we find out that one or both of those bidders also drops out, then we got a problem.
 

Melrose Munch

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The NHL is a circus sometimes.
This should have been dealt with by Christmas last year.
 
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mouser

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Does anyone have a great article link summarizing all the legal issues with Lebreton Flats land ownership and development?
 

Golden_Jet

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Does anyone have a great article link summarizing all the legal issues with Lebreton Flats land ownership and development?
Don’t think you’ll find a recent good one, there was one in the Ottawa Citizen years ago, went back as far as when the land was expropriated 70years ago, and has sat vacant since. The NCC has sat on the land since then, land needs soil cleanup, so far they have offered 6.6 acres of about (100 acres? ). Bidders want more land, NCC is open to discussions.

There are a lot of articles, when I google NCC. Ottawa Citizen LeBreton flat’s and history, maybe add indegenious to search.
 
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jonathan613

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Just curious, is it an unwritten rule here that the NHL or ownership will need to build the arena in Ottawa as opposed to say cross the river in Gatineau? I know the current location is too far but would people really have trouble getting there if it was say 5 miles away from downtown?
 

rsteen

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Just curious, is it an unwritten rule here that the NHL or ownership will need to build the arena in Ottawa as opposed to say cross the river in Gatineau? I know the current location is too far but would people really have trouble getting there if it was say 5 miles away from downtown?

The bridges would be a bottleneck for the majority of the metro population. Ottawa has about 1 million population, which includes outlying suburbs such as Kanata. Gatineau has about 300K.
 

CaptainKirk

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For the daughters I would imagine that they want to get as much as they can but don’t want this to continue to drag on. Will want it finalized in 2023. What has been the hold up?
I heard yesterday (Top Shelf Hockey on YouTube) that apparently the daughters want the new owner to cover the Capital Gains tax, as Eugene purchased the team for $93M and will now be sold for 10 times that.
 

Mightygoose

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Seemed like it was always Andlaurer's to lose. Overall, the end of a a long stage of this one.

Hopefully it will be a smooth transaction and his group can be a good partner to whatever arena plans happen
 

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