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[Micklebot]

I think Soogard's problem is that is just doesn't move fast enough. He's like a big elephant. On the Scheifele back hand, a smaller quicker goalie like Juuse Saros deflects the puck with a lightning quick arm.

Soogard is probably not always in the best position, square to the shooter. He was playing well until halfway though the second. I was thinking this might be the game that he finally breaks through but no, he falls flat once again. .

My biggest issue with him is rebound control, if he's freezing the puck instead of letting out rebounds, we get our change, we he gets a rest, everyone is a little fresher and the game a little easier.

He also somehow manages to look small, which is quite the feat for someone who is 6'7

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Yea, Sanderson and Kleven were abysmal. Particularly Sanderson. The worst game I have seen from him in a long time. Hamonic completely outplayed him.

Sanderson has been having difficulty picking the right option for a defensive breakout.

I've noticed often times he tends to curl back into his zone and is often double teamed which results in him losing the puck or he does the Hamonic special and ices the puck when there are better options.

His puck awareness has been diminishing big time as well.

I think Soogard's problem is that is just doesn't move fast enough. He's like a big elephant. On the Scheifele back hand, a smaller quicker goalie like Juuse Saros deflects the puck with a lightning quick arm.

Soogard is probably not always in the best position, square to the shooter. He was playing well until halfway though the second. I was thinking this might be the game that he finally breaks through but no, he falls flat once again. .

I think Soogards problem is that he isn't a good goaltender.

 

[Micklebot]

Sanderson has been having difficulty picking the right option for a defensive breakout.

I've noticed often times he tends to curl back into his zone and is often double teamed which results in him losing the puck or he does the Hamonic special and ices the puck when there are better options.

His puck awareness has been diminishing big time as well.

Sanderson needs a better partner to take the pressure off him, with Hamonic he has to carry the load wrt to break outs so he holds onto the puck until he sees an option instead of making the simple play and trusting his partner

If he trusts Hamonic, it will open up options for him but might lead to Hamonic screwing things up from time to time. No win situation I guess.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yes I’ve seen the dominant stats sens have with .900 goaltending. It’s mind boggling our goalies and to a lesser extent team defence has been such trash.

I agree with most what your saying. Helly takes Jets from a bubble team to a contender.

Hill is a decent goalie, I wouldn’t say good as his .904 is same as Pitts backup Blomqvist. He gets the job done for sure. Vegas lets high danger chances like Ottawa, but they don’t have the black plague of goaltending luck Ottawa has had.

Ironically enough and it matched the eye test for me. We’ve now slipped down to 9th fewest high danger chances allowed. Before the big win streak we were 5th. We’ve actually been playing worse defence than we were before it’s just Ullmark was unbelievable.

Last night we got back to playing good defence again. And we lost with Sogaard in net.

It’s really incredible what goaltending can do

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Can someone explain why hamonic goes to the guy in the middle of the ice in the third goal?

The guy at the point has it. The guy in the middle is NOOT a threat. And giroux is there anyway.

By leaving the front of the net he then opens up the pass across the crease which the point realizes and quickly passes it down low

It doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

He’s the one guy who can’t leave his position there.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

In addition to the goaltending issue, I didn’t think the team played that well in the 2nd & 3rd periods. Amongst other things that weren’t good, you could see how we collapsed around the net and allowed Jets shooters to walk in and take shots from dangerous positions. We could have used a goal when we got that 4 minute double minor for high sticking.

Jets are a lot more than just Hellebuyck. They are being underrated in here by some. Scheifele and Connor are amongst the best forwards, and they have a lot of good depth and support from elsewhere in their lineup.

But I digress I suppose, so back to the bashing.

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[Blotto71]

Although he is tall he seems to crouch down too much and make himself small. It almost seem that he is too tall. Perhaps we should acquire a fatter goaltender rather than a tall one.

f*** it! Let's just get a square one

 

[Micklebot]

In addition to the goaltending issue, I didn’t think the team played that well in the 2nd & 3rd periods. Amongst other things that weren’t good, you could see how we collapsed around the net and allowed Jets shooters to walk in and take shots from dangerous positions.

Jets are a lot more than just Hellebuyck. They are being underrated in here by some. Scheifele and Connor are amongst the best forwards, and they have a lot of good depth and support from elsewhere in their lineup.

But I digress I suppose, so back to the bashing.

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There was definitely some loose play in the second half of the game, but that extended to both teams,

We let it turn into a track meet for a bit, which is a terrible idea when your up against high skilled teams and have a huge disadvantage in net.

Having said that, I don't think I can name a single big save that Sogaard made, he didn't really have to make a big save other than I guess the ones he failed to make. Not all the goals were his fault, really just the Scheifele one, but you need a big save from time to time.

 

[Micklebot]

Can someone explain why hamonic goes to the guy in the middle of the ice in the third goal?

The guy at the point has it. The guy in the middle is NOOT a threat. And giroux is there anyway.

By leaving the front of the net he then opens up the pass across the crease which the point realizes and quickly passes it down low

It doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

He’s the one guy who can’t leave his position there.

I think Giroux was on the wrong side of his body/stick to defend that guy but I'd argue defending the cross crease chance is still the priority there so idk...

 

[Knave]

In addition to the goaltending issue, I didn’t think the team played that well in the 2nd & 3rd periods. Amongst other things that weren’t good, you could see how we collapsed around the net and allowed Jets shooters to walk in and take shots from dangerous positions. We could have used a goal when we got that 4 minute double minor for high sticking.

Jets are a lot more than just Hellebuyck. They are being underrated in here by some. Scheifele and Connor are amongst the best forwards, and they have a lot of good depth and support from elsewhere in their lineup.

But I digress I suppose, so back to the bashing.

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The skaters outplayed the top team in the league last night. The goalie let them down.

This game reminded me of the season opener against the Panthers. Only we had Ullmark in net against the Panthers and while he wasn't great, he made a few important saves.

This game Soogard was actively contributing to defensive meltdowns, he couldn't make a save on a weak backhand. Winnipeg had two goals from the high slot that weren't screened. It's a joke. No other team in the league would accept this goaltending. Colorado was way out of the playoff picture with this goaltending at the start of the season. So was Pittsburgh. Same with Edmonton. When you have the worst goaltending in the league for a game or a stretch... you're probably going to lose even if you have McDavid or MacKinnon or Crosby.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

There was definitely some loose play in the second half of the game, but that extended to both teams,

We let it turn into a track meet for a bit, which is a terrible idea when your up against high skilled teams and have a huge disadvantage in net.

Having said that, I don't think I can name a single big save that Sogaard made, he didn't really have to make a big save other than I guess the ones he failed to make. Not all the goals were his fault, really just the Scheifele one, but you need a big save from time to time.

We need a better backup goalie no doubt. But, that might not come until the offseason when Forsberg’s contract expires. In the meantime, we will need to play strong team D to enhance our chances of winning especially when we have a backup in net. I’m hoping Leevi gets a chance and seizes the opportunity.

The skaters outplayed the top team in the league last night. The goalie let them down.

This game reminded me of the season opener against the Panthers. Only we had Ullmark in net against the Panthers and while he wasn't great, he made a few important saves.

This game Soogard was actively contributing to defensive meltdowns, he couldn't make a save on a weak backhand. Winnipeg had two goals from the high slot that weren't screened. It's a joke. No other team in the league would accept this goaltending. Colorado was way out of the playoff picture with this goaltending at the start of the season. So was Pittsburgh. Same with Edmonton. When you have the worst goaltending in the league for a game or a stretch... you're probably going to lose even if you have McDavid or MacKinnon or Crosby.

Yes, there were defensive meltdowns as you called them attributable to more than just Sogaard.

 

[Knave]

Yes, there were defensive meltdowns as you called them attributable to more than just Sogaard.

Every team in the league has multiple breakdowns a night including Stanley Cup champions.

I'm not sure why the skaters in front of our goalie have to play a historic stretch of hockey not seen in the history of planet earth for us to win.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Every team in the league has multiple breakdowns a night including Stanley Cup champions.

I'm not sure why the skaters in front of our goalie have to play a historic stretch of hockey not seen in the history of planet earth for us to win.

OK, a debate with a poster who uses the kind of hyperbole you used in your 2nd paragraph is pointless. Cheers.

 

[Knave]

OK, a debate with a poster who uses the kind of hyperbole you used in your 2nd paragraph is pointless. Cheers.

You're the one claiming the team shouldn't have defensive breakdowns and that's how to win hockey games.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

You're the one claiming the team shouldn't have defensive breakdowns and that's how to win hockey games.

You have trouble reading as well. Time for the ignore function.

 

[PlayOn]

5v5 goals on this road trip so far:

Stützle - 1
Tkachuk - 0
Batherson - 0
Norris - 0

You can cut them some slack since they carried our scoring for the first 20 games but also recognize we aren’t going to win many games without elite goaltending when our stars aren’t scoring 5 on 5.

I’ve already said my piece on Sogaard but our offense is an issue as well. Defensively we are doing as well as we can hope for with what we have imo.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Shooter Smyth on the Post game show ..identifies a few issues with Sogaard last night

https://post.futurimedia.com/cfgoam/playlist/4/listen-1445.html?cb=1735444743.230301

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Norris has to score on at least one of those chances he had when it was 2-0.

 

[Knave]

5v5 goals on this road trip so far:

Stützle - 1
Tkachuk - 0
Batherson - 0
Norris - 0

You can cut them some slack since they carried our scoring for the first 20 games but also recognize we aren’t going to win many games without elite goaltending when our stars aren’t scoring 5 on 5.

I’ve already said my piece on Sogaard but our offense is an issue as well. Defensively we are doing as well as we can hope for with what we have imo.

They should try putting out the Stutzle line with not-Kleven/JBD at even strength.

That seems to be Green's strategy at 5v5 for every faceoff involving the Stutzle line. Sneak JBD/Kleven minutes in. Complete disaster of a pairing in road games mostly because Kleven seems to give away the puck in the defensive zone constantly. 50/50 buck battle? He's losing it. He has it on his stick? Fans on a pass and it immediately ends up on a Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle stick.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think Giroux was on the wrong side of his body/stick to defend that guy but I'd argue defending the cross crease chance is still the priority there so idk...

Yeah Giroux didn’t have perfect positioning. But he had enough positioning that the guy isn’t the biggest threat to score. Esecpially with the puck at the point.

Like. It’s a 5 on 4 right. Hamonic makes it a 4 on 3 in Ottawa favor lol. But he forgets there are now 2 jets behind him

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Yeah Giroux didn’t have perfect positioning. But he had enough positioning that the guy isn’t the biggest threat to score. Esecpially with the puck at the point.

Like. It’s a 5 on 4 right. Hamonic makes it a 4 on 3 in Ottawa favor lol. But he forgets there are now 2 jets behind him

Hamonic (3rd goal) was out to lunch directing traffic and losing his man completely

 

[ottawagm]

I think Soogard's problem is that is just doesn't move fast enough. He's like a big elephant. On the Scheifele back hand, a smaller quicker goalie like Juuse Saros deflects the puck with a lightning quick arm.

Soogard is probably not always in the best position, square to the shooter. He was playing well until halfway though the second. I was thinking this might be the game that he finally breaks through but no, he falls flat once again. .

His reaction time and arm movement is definitely subpar. He's slow to pick up the play and then his arms barely move. He can't even catch pucks from long distance.

 

[The Waffler]

Although he is tall he seems to crouch down too much and make himself small. It almost seem that he is too tall. Perhaps we should acquire a fatter goaltender rather than a tall one.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sens miss Amadio .. in a depth challenged lineup
Switch him out move Greig down and insert Reinhart with Norris and Batherson

Safe to say we need more from the 2nd line.


CF% 5v5
Reinhart 0
Norris 15 CF 3 CA 17
Batherson 26.32

Pinto and Greig both over 60
Cuz at 50

 

[darude]

Norris has to score on at least one of those chances he had when it was 2-0.

How many times have the Sens scored on breakaways this year vs league average? Feels like a lot of failed 5-hole tucks and shooting it wide from watching games.