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[Answer]

I seriously have to ask, where in god's green earth is this team going? It sure as hell is not forward!

This Team has no structure defensively and offensively.

You can always count on this Team to give up a goal when...
1. They tie the game
2. Gets a lead in the game
3. Last 5 minutes of the game

Every Team in the league knows that it is very easy to score a goal against This God's forsaken Team

Oh yah but moral victory eh?

 

[Cosmix]

Lack of D depth hurting us again. Wonder what our W-L record is with and without Zub?

Actually, it's lack of depth in general, having Pinto last night would have stabilized our play too. This team needs close to 100% health to have a chance to compete. But that's just not going to happen in general, and especially when it comes to the Sens.

Positives:

a) Chabot had a great game. He's playing with a lot of confidence right now.

b) Giroux with another great game.

c) there is no c).

That "c" part is what is really hurting the team!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Third goal cousins is puck watching and doesn’t toe up the ONE guy sitting in front of the net. (Cup winning vet).

Fourth goal mess up but the hamonic inexplicably concedes the front of the net to the puck carrier. (Vet).

That plus the fact our stars look like idiots out there…. No good

I seriously have to ask, where in god's green earth is this team going? It sure as hell is not forward!

This Team has no structure defensively and offensively.

You can always count on this Team to give up a goal when...
1. They tie the game
2. Gets a lead in the game
3. Last 5 minutes of the game

Every Team in the league knows that it is very easy to score a goal against This God's forsaken Team

Oh yah but moral victory eh?

Last night there was no moral victory.

Friday yeah. Even New Jersey yeah.

Last night no.

 

[Alex1234]

a +- of 0 is the definition of average since every goal for one team is a goal against for another. Average can't be anything but.

Worth noting, our opponents are collectively on pace for 97 pts, league average was 90 pts, so we weren't facing average opponents either.

I think we could be average at +2

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Should have been whistled dead. But who is covering that guy in front of the net? Why is tkatchuk on the ground

 

[Micklebot]

Average would be 16th in the league in terms of +-
We could be average at +2
If you want to go semantic go ahead but you know what I meant

No, 16th in the league would be the median (technically, the average +/- of 16th and 17th would be), average, or mean, is the total +/- of all teams divided by the number of teams which will always be zero, I guess our education system is failing us.

Beyond that, a goal differential of 0 is currently 13th best in the league (Florida, StL and Ottawa are all tied), so even base on your flawed definition, we are actually above average.

 

[Bileur]

Lack of D depth hurting us again. Wonder what our W-L record is with and without Zub?

Actually, it's lack of depth in general, having Pinto last night would have stabilized our play too. This team needs close to 100% health to have a chance to compete. But that's just not going to happen in general, and especially when it comes to the Sens.

Positives:

a) Chabot had a great game. He's playing with a lot of confidence right now.

b) Giroux with another great game.

c) there is no c).

Chabot and Jensen are starting to figure it out. It’s great to see.

It’s pretty clear to me that we should be pairing Jake with JBD. Hamonic is a warrior and should be on the roster (I can’t believe I said that) but he can’t play those kinds of minutes.

I still think our D is too small and soft.

 

[BondraTime]

Average would be 16th in the league in terms of +-
We could be average at +2
If you want to go semantic go ahead but you know what I meant

To be fair, the teams ahead of the Sens by a point with more games played are:
Sabres -1
Leafs -2
Wings -3
Habs -6
Bruins -5

Sens are 2nd in the Atlantic, and 13th in the league in goal differential through the very early games

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Look at stutzle here lmfao. Just like pulled to that puck by some unseen force.

 

[Alex1234]

No, 16th in the league would be the median (technically, the average +/- of 16th and 17th would be), average, or mean, is the total +/- of all teams divided by the number of teams which will always be zero, I guess our education system is failing us.

Beyond that, a goal differential of 0 is currently 13th best in the league (Florida, StL and Ottawa are all tied), so even base on your flawed definition, we are actually above average.

Above median you mean?

The league put us at 24th for what its worth

 

[Micklebot]

Above median you mean?

The league put us at 24th for what its worth

Can you explain what you mean by the league put us? Because the facts are the facts, we're tied for 13th in goal Differential,

Rk​	​	GF​	GA​	Goal Diff​
1​	Winnipeg Jets​	36​	16​	20​
2​	New York Rangers​	34​	16​	18​
3​	Vegas Golden Knights​	42​	28​	14​
4​	Dallas Stars​	28​	17​	11​
5​	Minnesota Wild​	29​	20​	9​
6​	Tampa Bay Lightning​	31​	24​	7​
7​	Carolina Hurricanes​	23​	16​	7​
8​	New Jersey Devils​	44​	39​	5​
9​	Washington Capitals​	26​	21​	5​
10​	Calgary Flames​	28​	24​	4​
11​	Vancouver Canucks​	24​	20​	4​
12​	Columbus Blue Jackets​	27​	24​	3​
13​	Florida Panthers​	33​	33​	0​
14​	St. Louis Blues​	26​	26​	0​
15​	Ottawa Senators​	30​	30​	0​
16​	Los Angeles Kings​	28​	29​	-1​
17​	Seattle Kraken​	27​	28​	-1​
18​	Buffalo Sabres​	30​	31​	-1​
19​	Colorado Avalanche​	34​	36​	-2​
20​	Toronto Maple Leafs​	26​	28​	-2​
21​	Detroit Red Wings​	25​	28​	-3​
22​	New York Islanders​	20​	24​	-4​
23​	Boston Bruins​	27​	32​	-5​
24​	Montreal Canadiens​	27​	32​	-5​
25​	Anaheim Ducks​	18​	24​	-6​
26​	Utah Hockey Club​	25​	32​	-7​
27​	Nashville Predators​	21​	28​	-7​
28​	Edmonton Oilers​	21​	29​	-8​
29​	Chicago Blackhawks​	22​	31​	-9​
30​	Pittsburgh Penguins​	30​	42​	-12​
31​	Philadelphia Flyers​	26​	40​	-14​
32​	San Jose Sharks​	18​	38​	-20​

 

[headup]

I seriously have to ask, where in god's green earth is this team going? It sure as hell is not forward!

This Team has no structure defensively and offensively.

You can always count on this Team to give up a goal when...
1. They tie the game
2. Gets a lead in the game
3. Last 5 minutes of the game

Every Team in the league knows that it is very easy to score a goal against This God's forsaken Team

Oh yah but moral victory eh?

The core is broken. The quicker we acknowledge this the quicker we can get started on a rebuild. It was shitty when we were stuck in mediocrity but now this is much worse. We’re stuck with a super low end top 6 that can barely maintain control of the puck. Watch how clueless every line is. It’s sad that this is an nhl club. We can see defensively the goalie was only a small part of the issue as Ullmark has looked like every other goalie.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Look at stutzle here lmfao. Just like pulled to that puck by some unseen force.

I don't see what Stutzle did wrong. A lot of teams overload the puck carrier when they're on the wall to force a bad pass or a turnover. He then chased the guy at the blueline and forced him on to his backhand. It's pretty much what you want from your high forward.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The core is broken. The quicker we acknowledge this the quicker we can get started on a rebuild. It was shitty when we were stuck in mediocrity but now this is much worse. We’re stuck with a super low end top 6 that can barely maintain control of the puck. Watch how clueless every line is. It’s sad that this is an nhl club. We can see defensively the goalie was only a small part of the issue as Ullmark has looked like every other goalie.

Defensively we’ve had two bad games of the 8.

Last night was atrocious. Maybe it was an outlier.

I agree that the top 6 is probably just too low and for us to go anywhere

 

[Micklebot]

I don't see what Stutzle did wrong. A lot of teams overload the puck carrier when they're on the wall to force a bad pass or a turnover. He then chased the guy at the blueline and forced him on to his backhand. It's pretty much what you want from your high forward.

The only really concerning thing there is a backhand by Manson made it through, maybe it went off someone, I couldn't tell.

 

[BankStreetParade]

The only really concerning thing there is a backhand by Manson made it through, maybe it went off someone, I couldn't tell.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know how you watch a guy throw a backhand from 40ft out, watch it go in and say "look at what Stutzle did!!!!" Clearly, there's a problem with how the goal went in and not how a guy managed to get a shitty backhander off from way way out.

 

[BondraTime]

I don't see what Stutzle did wrong. A lot of teams overload the puck carrier when they're on the wall to force a bad pass or a turnover. He then chased the guy at the blueline and forced him on to his backhand. It's pretty much what you want from your high forward.

Yeah there was really nothing wrong there with Stutzle, maybe a wide cut swinging back to the D

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't see what Stutzle did wrong. A lot of teams overload the puck carrier when they're on the wall to force a bad pass or a turnover. He then chased the guy at the blueline and forced him on to his backhand. It's pretty much what you want from your high forward.

He has his guy. There are time to pressure. Leaving your man wide open for the easy flip the middle of the ice is not that time.

 

[Micklebot]

He has his guy. There are time to pressure. Leaving your man wide open for the easy flip the middle of the ice is not that time.

He kept him to a nothing backhand from 40 ft out, that should have never resulted in a goal though. The standard can't be don't ever allow a shot of any kind...

 

[Speatleysson]

I woke up this morning thinking I'd feel better after the loss.

I don't. Still big mad.

Although, at least we aren't dallas cowboys fans.

 

[BankStreetParade]

He has his guy. There are time to pressure. Leaving your man wide open for the easy flip the middle of the ice is not that time.

Mittlestadt was facing the blueline, on the wall, on his forehand and with Chabot cutting off the bottom half of the ice. Pressuring him is the right play and if you watch the replay, Stutzle is within an inch of deflecting the puck out of the zone.

All that is completely besides the point of how a shitty 40ft backhand finds its way into the net...

 

[PlayOn]

The core is broken. The quicker we acknowledge this the quicker we can get started on a rebuild. It was shitty when we were stuck in mediocrity but now this is much worse. We’re stuck with a super low end top 6 that can barely maintain control of the puck. Watch how clueless every line is. It’s sad that this is an nhl club. We can see defensively the goalie was only a small part of the issue as Ullmark has looked like every other goalie.

I don’t know that the core is broken, but they all have a lot of the same strengths and the same weaknesses.

Sens only really beat teams by outskilling them. You can’t do that with the Avs and then there’s not much left. Some nights to beat the best teams you need to have a PK that can stifle their PP, or a defensive pairing that can shutdown or at least limit the skilled guys, or a goalie that makes the saves at the key times (think they will be fine here this season though). We lack that and have for a long time.

IMO they have played better this year so far and this has been a tough schedule so I’m not overly worried. But some of the same issues are present.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah there was really nothing wrong there with Stutzle, maybe a wide cut swinging back to the D

Middlestaft has no where to go with the puck until stutzle charges in.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Middlestaft has no where to go with the puck until stutzle charges in.

I'd rather Middlestadt be pressured and have to give it up to a defenceman on their back hand than be left alone to do real damage.

There's nothing wrong with what Stutzle did there. You just don't like him for some reason.

 

[Micklebot]

I'd rather Middlestadt be pressured and have to give it up to a defenceman on their back hand than be left alone to do real damage.

There's nothing wrong with what Stutzle did there. You just don't like him for some reason.

9 times out of 10 in that situation, a Dman in Manson's position would have passed it d to d rather than take that shot, since it's a nothing shot that you'd never expect to amount to anything..