Value of: Ottawa and San Jose (Not Karlsson)

[Qward]

What additional compensation would San Jose require in this trade?

To Ottawa
Anthony Duclair (50% retained)

To San Jose
Matthew Joseph


Making this trade allows Ottawa to sign Pinto.

What would San Jose require? a 2nd? a late 1st? A prospect like Sokolov?

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[Djp]

Joseph is a cap dump

Duclair just signed there this summer as a UFA. Teams don’t trade just signed UFAs who haven’t played a game yet and the league would block such a trade.

 

[Cas]

Joseph is a cap dump

Duclair just signed there this summer as a UFA. Teams don’t trade just signed UFAs who haven’t played a game yet and the league would block such a trade.

Duclair was traded, not a UFA signing. We sent Florida Steven Lorentz and a pick.

 

[Djp]

Duclair was traded, not a UFA signing. We sent Florida Steven Lorentz and a pick.

Again San Jose just acquired him…why trade him for a cap dump?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Again San Jose just acquired him…why trade him for a cap dump?

The OP said Ottawa could add a 1st or 2nd with Joseph to get Duclair. San Jose needs picks like that.

 

[Cas]

Again San Jose just acquired him…why trade him for a cap dump?

I don't think they will, but if it came with a 1st I'd do it in a heartbeat. Duclair will probably be retired by the time the Sharks are good again.

 

[GCK]

What additional compensation would San Jose require in this trade?

To Ottawa
Anthony Duclair (50% retained)

To San Jose
Matthew Joseph


Making this trade allows Ottawa to sign Pinto.

What would San Jose require? a 2nd? a late 1st? A prospect like Sokolov?

This is getting insane.

 

[Qward]

This is getting insane.

We have to figure out something. We are up against the cap and have players to sign.

 

[Gecklund]

Give us your first and deal. Otherwise we will just wait until the deadline.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Why would SJ trade away a player they literally just acquired? Do people think before making proposals anymore?

 

[GCK]

We have to figure out something. We are up against the cap and have players to sign.

You are talking about paying a 1st or 2nd to free up 1.4M in cap. That’s insane.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Why would SJ trade away a player they literally just signed as a UFA? Do people think before making proposals anymore?

They didn't sign him as a UFA. Do people think before they reply to proposals anymore?

 

[Gecklund]

You are talking about paying a 1st or 2nd to free up 1.4M in cap. That’s insane.

You are talking about improving on Joseph by a lot AND freeing up cap space.

 

[GCK]

You are talking about improving on Joseph by a lot AND freeing up cap space.

I don’t consider Duclair even a slight upgrade

The last thing the Sens need is another RW after signing Tarasenko. Paying to unload Joseph is one thing but having to take on Anthony Duclair is terrible.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

They didn't sign him as a UFA. Do people think before they reply to proposals anymore?

Ok, trade for, they ACCQUIRED him, it's the same thing. Do you think before you reply?

 

[NyQuil]

Ok, trade for, they ACCQUIRED him, it's the same thing. Do you think before you reply?

Nice edit job!

It’s not the same thing at all.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Nice edit job!

It’s not the same thing at all.

Nice contribution. Exactly the same thing, try harder.

 

[Qward]

I don’t consider Duclair even a slight upgrade

The last thing the Sens need is another RW after signing Tarasenko. Paying to unload Joseph is one thing but having to take on Anthony Duclair is terrible.

Joseph scored 3 goals in 56 games, Duclair had 2 in 20.
Joseph has 3 years left at 2.95, Duclair is a free agent after this season. That frees up money for Sanderson next year. Duclair can play both wings like Joseph.

Tkachuk/Stutzle/Giroux
Duclair/Norris/Tarasenko
Kubalik/Pinto/Batherson

More balanced.

 

[NyQuil]

Nice contribution. Exactly the same thing, try harder.

You think a rebuilding team only picks up guys to play them in their lineup?

You think Duclair factors into their long-term plans?

Or is it more than possible that they acquired a potential trade chip to flip to another team?

Your overly simplistic analysis certainly could use a little more effort.

Do better.

 

[Qward]

Nice contribution. Exactly the same thing, try harder.

San Jose did not acquire Duclair in order to compete. They paid a 5th and a 4th liner for a guy they can flip for a better pick either before the season starts or at the trade deadline.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You think a rebuilding team only picks up guys to play them in their lineup?

You think Duclair factors into their long-term plans?

Or is it more than possible that they acquired a potential trade chip to flip to another team?

Your overly simplistic analysis certainly could use a little more effort.

Do better.

I dont see any difference with the Sharks and Sens. Two teams who won't sniff the playoffs next season.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Ok, trade for, they ACCQUIRED him, it's the same thing. Do you think before you reply?

It wouldn't even be the first time SJ has done exactly this between Ottawa and Florida. Hoffman was traded as two completely seperate deals on the same day.


Do you think before you reply to a reply?

 

[Qward]

I dont see any difference with the Sharks and Sens. Two teams who won't sniff the playoffs next season.

So you are just a hater and have no interest in actually contributing to the conversation. Good to know.

 

[Gecklund]

I don’t consider Duclair even a slight upgrade

The last thing the Sens need is another RW after signing Tarasenko. Paying to unload Joseph is one thing but having to take on Anthony Duclair is terrible.

Duclair was a 0.5 PPG between the playoffs and regular season and 58 in 74 the season before. If you don’t think that’s an upgrade on 18 in 56, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[NyQuil]

I dont see any difference with the Sharks and Sens. Two teams who won't sniff the playoffs next season.

Another inane take.

Well done.

Whether or not either or both teams make or fail to make the playoffs, to say that they are in similar stages of development is just doubling down on a dumb opinion.