Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III

[beastintheeast]

Instead of quoting everything, let me do it this way.

@OMG67 I will go you one better and say that this team was in the top 4 out of 7, including the COVID screw-up. The challenge to that is that it is the team that Andre built.

Having a competitive team every year is good because AVERAGE FANS are happy and willing to put out for tickets. Also, having the top competitive team is not a bad thing when it comes to competing to host championships. Killer and Andre built competitive and, more importantly, entertaining teams.

When does OSEG step in and make a decision to change, it depends on what they have the 67's for is it supposed to be a money maker, is it just something that got them in the door to get Landsdowne, is it that tax right off?

Big business is not always in it to win even though they will tell you that.

Ownership hires people to manage the asset. Using the adage well, they won 4 out of 7, which would be a great reason for Ottawa to keep Boyd around NUT with a different coach. He would have input in hiring but not make the decision.

JB was a mid-tier player at best when he played. He has coached, but to my knowledge, he has never won anything. His claim to fame is that he was mentored by Larry Mavety. That being said it is hard to tell how much of what this team built was JB, Andre or Jan.

DC was a good coach and has numerous winning seasons to show for it. However, just as Killer was an exceptional coach, the league has changed, the players have changed, and teams are winning more with offence and two-way play. It is interesting to note that the WJC team he coached had an assistant named Andre Tourigny on it.

People here complained that Killer stayed well past his prime, which is true. However, the team was competitive with him when he was behind the bench and how he drafted.

@ScoutLife4 Not trading Pineli was a mistake. Boyd should have gotten the best offer he could and taken it, not only because it is better to get something instead of nothing, but to me, the fact that Pinelli had p[acked up and left his billet tells me he really did not want to come back . This year, teams that were competitive did not have a lot to trade. The error was in thinking there was a market at the last minute instead of trading him earlier in the year.

As to expecting good things out of this team, NO I DID NOT everyone knows that I had them slated for where they are. But my argument was that due to this, they needed to make trades that brought in youth and developed the players that they had. This has not been done.

Again whether this team gets better or stays the same will depend on what officially happens between the 1st of March and the OHL priority draft.

 

[beastintheeast]

What brought on the misc in the first period these were not rookies but experienced players on both teams

 

[mianjo]

#23Will Gerrior BoardingMajor 5:00Power Play
2nd 7:39

Penalty
#23Will Gerrior Game Misc-BoardingGame Misconduct

still 4-2 Shots 45-12 in 3rd

5-2

 

[mianjo]

67's lose 5-2 shots 51-15

 

[Rinkrat101]

There was never a trade market for Pinelli he told management long before the dead line he wasn't interested in going anywhere he wanted to finish his junior career in Ottawa.

 

[OMG67]

There was never a trade market for Pinelli he told management long before the dead line he wasn't interested in going anywhere he wanted to finish his junior career in Ottawa.

And yet he packed up all his shit and moved out of his Billets house and went home to await a trade. AND, THEN, he sat out the weekend after the WJHC where other players like Martone, Rehkopf, and Ritchie all played. THEn, he even skipped the Wednesday game before the deadline.

This doesn’t sound like a player and a team that decided well before the deadline that he wouldn’t go anywhere. Pinelli had a NTC. If he seriously wasn’t interested in going anywhere, he could have said that, stayed in Ottawa and not miss the two games and have to move all his shit back into the billet house.

I think your information is at minimum very exaggerated. He most certainly was willing to be traded. He had a short list of teams that he preferred but nothing could get done with those teams.

Now he gets to go chase pucks for half a season while watching his stat line disappear. At least he will get to joking hr Blue Jackets AHL affiliate sooner.

 

[beastintheeast]

And yet he packed up all his shit and moved out of his Billets house and went home to await a trade. AND, THEN, he sat out the weekend after the WJHC where other players like Martone, Rehkopf, and Ritchie all played. THEn, he even skipped the Wednesday game before the deadline.

This doesn’t sound like a player and a team that decided well before the deadline that he wouldn’t go anywhere. Pinelli had a NTC. If he seriously wasn’t interested in going anywhere, he could have said that, stayed in Ottawa and not miss the two games and have to move all his shit back into the billet house.

I think your information is at minimum very exaggerated. He most certainly was willing to be traded. He had a short list of teams that he preferred but nothing could get done with those teams.

Now he gets to go chase pucks for half a season while watching his stat line disappear. At least he will get to joking hr Blue Jackets AHL affiliate sooner.

Personally, I think whatever we could have gotten for him would have been better than the nothing we are going to get. Hindsight always being what it is we might have been better off trading him last year when Kitchener had the pieces to put a good deal in play. The challenge with the deadline this year is that there were only 3 teams that realistically look like they were re going to go far. In the west, London, unless they explode, is going to be very hard to beat. In the east it is the Oshawa Barrie show and both of those teams filled things out and have what they have already.

Therefore, no one was going to be interested in a go-for-it trade other than maybe Kingston and they did not need a winger.

But like OMG, I am not buying the I want to stay in Ottawa that is just nuts, looking at what he did before the deadline. It is simply a fact that Boyd overvalued and held on to him too long.

 

[OMG67]

Personally, I think whatever we could have gotten for him would have been better than the nothing we are going to get. Hindsight always being what it is we might have been better off trading him last year when Kitchener had the pieces to put a good deal in play. The challenge with the deadline this year is that there were only 3 teams that realistically look like they were re going to go far. In the west, London, unless they explode, is going to be very hard to beat. In the east it is the Oshawa Barrie show and both of those teams filled things out and have what they have already.

Therefore, no one was going to be interested in a go-for-it trade other than maybe Kingston and they did not need a winger.

But like OMG, I am not buying the I want to stay in Ottawa that is just nuts, looking at what he did before the deadline. It is simply a fact that Boyd overvalued and held on to him too long.

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

 

[beastintheeast]

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

If you take the best deal that is out there, it may not be great, and you may have to pinch your nose, but anything is better than nothing. In the case of Mews I think he had Boyd by the short and curlies with no wayout other than take what he could get. Mews will be back in Sudbury next year and possibly traded for more than Sudbury gave us.

 

[dirty12]

There wasn’t a good fit. Simple as that. I think if Boyd had taken the picks only type deal Kingston was supposedly offering would have been the right move. I imagine the table was set by then and Boyd sort of knew the landscape. But, I don’t know all the details of course. Nor do I know the timing.

Do I think there was a deal out there for Pinelli that would have been acceptable? Yes. The issue was that it more came down to a Pinelli vs Romani situation and when OVS was tossed into the deal, it was a better fit than Pinelli with Mayich or Stonehouse for Barrie. Brampton amd Kingston not having their 1st round pick made it that more difficult. It is what it is.

Did Boyd get greedy? Sort of. I think he was looking for the better deal that never materialized. That doesn’t mean he was asking too much. I don’t believe that. Mews was a more valuable trade piece than Pinelli and that trade was bad. Of Boyd was willing to do that deal for Mews, no one can tell me he was over valuing Pinelli.

Do you know the conditions of the (7,8,9)* picks in the Mews trade? Jackson, 2-2s, 2-3s, 5, plus three more middle of draft picks for a half season of Mews seems a pretty good return for the ‘67s to me.

 

[ecraigs]

Once again, discipline remains a major problem. The team is playing short with their leading scorer and Captain sitting out 4 games. So, what happens? Four players pick up 10 minute Misconducts for a nothing altercation. Then, before the halfway point of the game, another team leader gets 5 for Boarding, with likely more to come. This team increasingly looks like March 24 can't come soon enough.

Our entire leadership group, wiped out. Pinelli suspended, Stonehouse traded, Sirman released. Mayich gets a Misconduct, and Gerrior gets thrown out. At least Mayich will be in the lineup on Sunday.

 

[OMG67]

Do you know the conditions of the (7,8,9)* picks in the Mews trade? Jackson, 2-2s, 2-3s, 5, plus three more middle of draft picks for a half season of Mews seems a pretty good return for the ‘67s to me.

If Parekh had been traded for the same package, the people in Saginaw would have been up in arms. My assumption when I saw the trade was that Ottawa gets the 7-8-9 but if Mews returns next season we’d get 2-3-4 but I have not confirmed that. But, even so, Mews at the deadline next year will go for more than that entire package this year. I still feel that Mews going to Michigan and not signing with Calgary in the summer seems like crazy talk. i will believe it when I see it but until that time, I don’t believe it at all. I honestly cannot see Mews turning down an ELC to play in Michigan for a season.

 

[dirty12]

If Parekh had been traded for the same package, the people in Saginaw would have been up in arms. My assumption when I saw the trade was that Ottawa gets the 7-8-9 but if Mews returns next season we’d get 2-3-4 but I have not confirmed that. But, even so, Mews at the deadline next year will go for more than that entire package this year. I still feel that Mews going to Michigan and not signing with Calgary in the summer seems like crazy talk. i will believe it when I see it but until that time, I don’t believe it at all. I honestly cannot see Mews turning down an ELC to play in Michigan for a season.

I’m sure Mews will most likely take the NHL signing bonus if offered. But like Power, Mews may want the college experience.
There are at least a couple on the Saginaw board that would have been pleased with a top 25 selected D and 8 picks. Parekh is worth a bit more than Mews and not threatening NCAA as far as I know.

 

[OMG67]

I’m sure Mews will most likely take the NHL signing bonus if offered. But like Power, Mews may want the college experience.
There are at least a couple on the Saginaw board that would have been pleased with a top 25 selected D and 8 picks. Parekh is worth a bit more than Mews and not threatening NCAA as far as I know.

As of right now, all we know we have is a prototypical #4 D-Man, two 2nds, two 3rds, and a 5th. We could quibble over whether that is good value or not. But, that value is based solely on Mews not returning next year. For all we know, the 7-8-9 come Ottawa’s way if Mews returns next year. I don’t think that is the case. I think the 7-8-9 already come to Ottawa and those picks are upgraded if Mews returns but we don’t’ know the conditions so it is tough to say what the actual deal is. Without knowing what the real deal is, it is really hard to debate it in any meaningful way.

Both Power and Knies returned to the NCAA for that one extra year in an effort to win a Championship. They didn’t really do it for the experience of playing NCAA. Mews is not connected at all to the NCAA. Him going to Michigan isn’t related to any unfinished business. Power was a late birthdate so he had already played a season with Michigan. IMO, the whole Michigan angle is overblown. I think it was a pressure point to get Boyd to trade him out of Ottawa where he simply doesn’t want to be. I think he harbours resentment for dropping to the 3rd round not wanting to play a structured defensive system that hurt his ability to put up points. I think he is jealous of Parekh playing in a pond hockey system that is mostly wide open and he feels that had he played in that style of system, he’d have racked up same/similar points and would have been a 1st round pick. I believe he feels Dave Cameron and the Ottawa 67’s stole that from him.

This whole situation is personal. Playing with Michigan is not going to improve his sign-ability. The only viable reason for him to sign in Michigan is if he doesn’t want to play for the Flames and wants to reenter the NHL draft and he feels playing for Michigan is better than playing in Ottawa (or the OHL) as a 19 year old. There is a part of me that does feel he will turn down any offer because he feels he is a first round pick calibre player and starring for Michigan next year will get him there and maybe get drafted by a sexier franchise than the Flames. Based on his “me first” kind of attitude, that wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. So, if that is the angle he is playing, I could understand it even if I don’t think it is a very mature approach.

 

[dirty12]

As of right now, all we know we have is a prototypical #4 D-Man, two 2nds, two 3rds, and a 5th. We could quibble over whether that is good value or not. But, that value is based solely on Mews not returning next year. For all we know, the 7-8-9 come Ottawa’s way if Mews returns next year. I don’t think that is the case. I think the 7-8-9 already come to Ottawa and those picks are upgraded if Mews returns but we don’t’ know the conditions so it is tough to say what the actual deal is. Without knowing what the real deal is, it is really hard to debate it in any meaningful way.

Both Power and Knies returned to the NCAA for that one extra year in an effort to win a Championship. They didn’t really do it for the experience of playing NCAA. Mews is not connected at all to the NCAA. Him going to Michigan isn’t related to any unfinished business. Power was a late birthdate so he had already played a season with Michigan. IMO, the whole Michigan angle is overblown. I think it was a pressure point to get Boyd to trade him out of Ottawa where he simply doesn’t want to be. I think he harbours resentment for dropping to the 3rd round not wanting to play a structured defensive system that hurt his ability to put up points. I think he is jealous of Parekh playing in a pond hockey system that is mostly wide open and he feels that had he played in that style of system, he’d have racked up same/similar points and would have been a 1st round pick. I believe he feels Dave Cameron and the Ottawa 67’s stole that from him.

This whole situation is personal. Playing with Michigan is not going to improve his sign-ability. The only viable reason for him to sign in Michigan is if he doesn’t want to play for the Flames and wants to reenter the NHL draft and he feels playing for Michigan is better than playing in Ottawa (or the OHL) as a 19 year old. There is a part of me that does feel he will turn down any offer because he feels he is a first round pick calibre player and starring for Michigan next year will get him there and maybe get drafted by a sexier franchise than the Flames. Based on his “me first” kind of attitude, that wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. So, if that is the angle he is playing, I could understand it even if I don’t think it is a very mature approach.

I don’t know why Mews threatened NCAA. He might believe he needs a greater challenge than the OHL?
It is in print somewhere that Power passed on signing with the sabres because he wanted the college experience. Maybe COVID was the reason Power did not get the college experience in year 1 with Michigan.

 

[OMG67]

I don’t know why Mews threatened NCAA. He might believe he needs a greater challenge than the OHL?
It is in print somewhere that Power passed on signing with the sabres because he wanted the college experience. Maybe COVID was the reason Power did not get the college experience in year 1 with Michigan.

Maybe but even if that is accurate, it was one lone player. Hard to compare one lone player. I’m sure there are others that thought it was better to wait it out and continue to develop but they are few and far between. Plus, they were all in the NCAA already.

Like I said, this Mews thing was mostly posturing. It was a means to force Ottawa’s hands. I don’t understand why a kid like Mews would want to go play 35 games with Michigan. He’d actually have to attend classes for a year needlessly. That team has such a high rate of turnover as well. The top of their roster is a hodge-podge of elite young players. It will be interesting for them next year when they start playing a lot of other schools that are now recruiting 21 year old OA’s with a lot of skill and talent. I assume Michigan will do the same but I am not sure how the balance will be affected overall. Should be some really good hockey though.

 

[beastintheeast]

I still believe that Mews and Pinellil wanted out. Mews was able to force the hand however Pineli for some reason could not do it.

Has DC lost the dressing room? Usually, lack of discipline is a sign of this.

A couple of things to watch is that this team is on track to either be the lowest scoring team in Ottawa history or the second lowest. BTW the coach that has the lowest is DC. We will also have the highest goals against since Byrne was the coach.

So this is either a GM issue ot getting the players, a coach not able to coach effectively for this league at present or a mixture of both.

Either way Boyd and OSEG need to take a long look between now and the end of the season what changes have to be made,

 

[OMG67]

I still believe that Mews and Pinellil wanted out. Mews was able to force the hand however Pineli for some reason could not do it.

Has DC lost the dressing room? Usually, lack of discipline is a sign of this.

A couple of things to watch is that this team is on track to either be the lowest scoring team in Ottawa history or the second lowest. BTW the coach that has the lowest is DC. We will also have the highest goals against since Byrne was the coach.

So this is either a GM issue ot getting the players, a coach not able to coach effectively for this league at present or a mixture of both.

Either way Boyd and OSEG need to take a long look between now and the end of the season what changes have to be made,

I think the challenge is that the 67’s always start a bit hot. Say what you want about DC, his teams always start prepared and ready to play. They rack up a lot of early season points and that makes them look a bit better than they actually are. When that happens, there is a false sense of optimism surrounding the team.

That optimism also spreads to the players. I think Pinelli thought adding to this team would be a reasonable option. I think he wanted that to happen. The exuberance of youth sometimes makes them do and say silly things. That is why you need adults in the room to make the decisions.

I am not sure exactly what happened, nor what the timing of everything was so, again, it is really tough to zero in on how everything played out. I think we all have a sense of what happened but, the Devil is int he details and we don’t have the details. Clearly there weere teams that Pinelli preferred to go to and teams he preferred not to go to. The assumption is they could not bang out a deal with a team that he preferred to go to and he decided not to go to a team he didn’t want to go to.

Also, I disagree about taking the best you can get. If the best they could get for Pinelli was a middling ‘07 or ‘08 and a 2nd and 3rd round pick, it is better to keep the player in an effort to protect the ability to make future trades. If GM’s know you will cave and they know they are the only team bidding, they will hold fast and low ball, as they should. When you get a player like Gardiner that wants out and is requesting to play at home (Barrie), then the GM needs to project the image of walking away if the trade return is not enough. Making a really bad deal because that is the only deal can’t be an option. You have to always be willing to keep the player. In that regard, I think Boyd made the right decision.

If I knew all the dirty details, I likely could criticize but I don’t have those details. I have to assume that the teams he wanted to go to weren’t serious enough acquiring him OR the players the 67’s wanted weren’t willing to waive NTC’s to come to Ottawa, or some sort of combo of those two things. It is unfortunate but, I don’t think we should read anything more into it than that. I really think Kingston and Brampton not having their 1st round picks depressed the market quite a bit. Zurawski and Vaughn are both great players but those two teams weren’t looking for a Pinelli type player. Oshawa was looking for Pinelli but they prioritized Gibson so Smith was used in that deal. Sounds like Kitchener wasn’t’ willing to move Headrick. Brantford wasn’t’ willing to move O’Donnell. Sudbury wasn’t willing to move Blonda. Or, maybe a couple of those teams were willing to but the player wasn’t willing to come here. Ottawa was sort of handcuffed. They likely could have gotten something done but Pinelli likely wasn’t open to it and the return wasn’t enough for Boyd to push it.

This is why we cycle back to 2022-23. Had Boyd made the proper push that season, we’d have been doing our sell off last year and the market was more favourable. C’est la vie.

 

[beastintheeast]

The add

I think the challenge is that the 67’s always start a bit hot. Say what you want about DC, his teams always start prepared and ready to play. They rack up a lot of early season points and that makes them look a bit better than they actually are. When that happens, there is a false sense of optimism surrounding the team.

That optimism also spreads to the players. I think Pinelli thought adding to this team would be a reasonable option. I think he wanted that to happen. The exuberance of youth sometimes makes them do and say silly things. That is why you need adults in the room to make the decisions.

I am not sure exactly what happened, nor what the timing of everything was so, again, it is really tough to zero in on how everything played out. I think we all have a sense of what happened but, the Devil is int he details and we don’t have the details. Clearly there weere teams that Pinelli preferred to go to and teams he preferred not to go to. The assumption is they could not bang out a deal with a team that he preferred to go to and he decided not to go to a team he didn’t want to go to.

Also, I disagree about taking the best you can get. If the best they could get for Pinelli was a middling ‘07 or ‘08 and a 2nd and 3rd round pick, it is better to keep the player in an effort to protect the ability to make future trades. If GM’s know you will cave and they know they are the only team bidding, they will hold fast and low ball, as they should. When you get a player like Gardiner that wants out and is requesting to play at home (Barrie), then the GM needs to project the image of walking away if the trade return is not enough. Making a really bad deal because that is the only deal can’t be an option. You have to always be willing to keep the player. In that regard, I think Boyd made the right decision.

If I knew all the dirty details, I likely could criticize but I don’t have those details. I have to assume that the teams he wanted to go to weren’t serious enough acquiring him OR the players the 67’s wanted weren’t willing to waive NTC’s to come to Ottawa, or some sort of combo of those two things. It is unfortunate but, I don’t think we should read anything more into it than that. I really think Kingston and Brampton not having their 1st round picks depressed the market quite a bit. Zurawski and Vaughn are both great players but those two teams weren’t looking for a Pinelli type player. Oshawa was looking for Pinelli but they prioritized Gibson so Smith was used in that deal. Sounds like Kitchener wasn’t’ willing to move Headrick. Brantford wasn’t’ willing to move O’Donnell. Sudbury wasn’t willing to move Blonda. Or, maybe a couple of those teams were willing to but the player wasn’t willing to come here. Ottawa was sort of handcuffed. They likely could have gotten something done but Pinelli likely wasn’t open to it and the return wasn’t enough for Boyd to push it.

This is why we cycle back to 2022-23. Had Boyd made the proper push that season, we’d have been doing our sell off last year and the market was more favourable. C’est la vie.

The added challenge was that last year, they decided to go for it, which was a mistake. Imagine the return we could have gotten for Pinelli to play in Kitchener with his brother. This would have also left us where we presently are in the standings but with a lot more picks and a player that we could build on.

I agree you do not sell if the price offered is stupid.

The same thing could have been done with Pinelli . My only issue with the lack of trade was that if you ask to go west and only west, there is nowhere to go. Kitchener had already said they were building for the M Cup, so trading young stars was not in the game. Everyone else had already decided that London was going to be the power and that anything they did was not going to move the needle.

Brampton and Brantford are building for next year. Barrie and Oshawa had plans.

Where it got hilarious was when Pinelli said he wanted to play out his OHL career here. Everyone knows that that was not his choice. It was simply that nowhere that he wanted to play was willing to pay the price for him.

Pinelli and Mews were an example of waiting too long before trying to trade them. I think that if they had been seriously put on the market earlier in the season, then we would have gotten a better return,

Again this all comes down to why players want out and why players do not want to come here.

If DC is a great defensive coach, then how are we going to have the highest GAA. Why are we going to hve the lowest or 2nd lowest goals for of any Ottawa team?

Did we draft the wrong players, could the coach not develop them is it a mix of both.

As a long-time fan, I went through the PeterLee year not just as a fan but on the road and in the dressing room. One of the players on that team was James Boyd. I thought that it was a bad team, but this team is making it look like a rock star.

 

[OMG67]

The add

The added challenge was that last year, they decided to go for it, which was a mistake. Imagine the return we could have gotten for Pinelli to play in Kitchener with his brother. This would have also left us where we presently are in the standings but with a lot more picks and a player that we could build on.

I agree you do not sell if the price offered is stupid.

The same thing could have been done with Pinelli . My only issue with the lack of trade was that if you ask to go west and only west, there is nowhere to go. Kitchener had already said they were building for the M Cup, so trading young stars was not in the game. Everyone else had already decided that London was going to be the power and that anything they did was not going to move the needle.

Brampton and Brantford are building for next year. Barrie and Oshawa had plans.

Where it got hilarious was when Pinelli said he wanted to play out his OHL career here. Everyone knows that that was not his choice. It was simply that nowhere that he wanted to play was willing to pay the price for him.

Pinelli and Mews were an example of waiting too long before trying to trade them. I think that if they had been seriously put on the market earlier in the season, then we would have gotten a better return,

Again this all comes down to why players want out and why players do not want to come here.

If DC is a great defensive coach, then how are we going to have the highest GAA. Why are we going to hve the lowest or 2nd lowest goals for of any Ottawa team?

Did we draft the wrong players, could the coach not develop them is it a mix of both.

As a long-time fan, I went through the PeterLee year not just as a fan but on the road and in the dressing room. One of the players on that team was James Boyd. I thought that it was a bad team, but this team is making it look like a rock star.

Last year they should have gone for it but, like the previous year they didn’t go hard enough. Like I said previously, pick a year and push hard. Dont go half asses two years in a row. Do that and you get half assed results.

Last year was a symptom of not going hard the year before. Hamilton did not need to go get MacTavish. They were strong enough without him. But, they didn’t leave anything to chance. They got him anyway.

The problem is every time you make this argument, you don’t factor in the winning strategy. Building a winner takes multiple years and it needs to be mapped out a few seasons in advance. The players are assets to move strategically. Boyd isn’t that guy. He is loyal. Too loyal.

If the goal is to do what is best for the players, is it in their best interest to be loyal? IMO, no. Loyalty is directed to the logo on the front of the sweater. When a GM is loyal to the player that should be moved to acquire a key asset, he is disloyal to the remaining players. He is choosing to not do what it takes to give the other players an honest chance at winning. He is turning his back on the logo on the front of the sweater and is placing loyalty toward a few names on the back of a sweater.

 

[beastintheeast]

Last year they should have gone for it but, like the previous year they didn’t go hard enough. Like I said previously, pick a year and push hard. Dont go half asses two years in a row. Do that and you get half assed results.

Last year was a symptom of not going hard the year before. Hamilton did not need to go get MacTavish. They were strong enough without him. But, they didn’t leave anything to chance. They got him anyway.

The problem is every time you make this argument, you don’t factor in the winning strategy. Building a winner takes multiple years and it needs to be mapped out a few seasons in advance. The players are assets to move strategically. Boyd isn’t that guy. He is loyal. Too loyal.

If the goal is to do what is best for the players, is it in their best interest to be loyal? IMO, no. Loyalty is directed to the logo on the front of the sweater. When a GM is loyal to the player that should be moved to acquire a key asset, he is disloyal to the remaining players. He is choosing to not do what it takes to give the other players an honest chance at winning. He is turning his back on the logo on the front of the sweater and is placing loyalty toward a few names on the back of a sweater.

Rightly or wrongly, I think OSEG and their proxy JB are following the same template that Killer, Earl, and Howard followed: Build a competitive team that is at or near the top every year, Qualify for the playoffs, and go as deep as you can. We must consider that Killer got an M Cup and had a few teams that went further than people expected.

The same can be said for Boyd and Andre. They were able to build teams tht were good and competed at the top. Andre was able to take the drafted players and players who really should not have been in the league and develop them to the top of their potential.

The problem is that JB is not sure what he wants to do and how to do it. Consider that he has never had a real mentor who knew what he was doing as a GM. Then add in the coach. Let's face it: you really can not say that DC has developed any players to the best of their potential. Again, this is to use the argument of lack of ice time for rookies For taking the top-scoring DEFENCEMAN IN THE LEAGUE and, after trading for him, trying to develop him into the DC system and using him the way he was best used.

I understand that there is a consensus here that thinks that to go for it you need to trade the farm and be a crap team. We could have done that last year, and still, I think we would have ended up where we were only with nothing on the ice this year.

Two years ago, we saw this team's future, and it did not look good. That was the last year that we could go for it. I think Boyd's challenge was that he did not know about Andre getting an NHL offer and taking his assistant with him. Drafting the right players, trading the right packages, and developing the on-ice product have all been suspect on this team. consider that last year, we did not have dependable goaltending due to injuries and indecision. Up front, we did not have a lot of offence. Whitehead would not have been a highly sought-after pick, as he did not get any ice time to show what he had. We did not have a lot of draft picks as Boyud traded them for Morrison and Minty.

Hence, we are where we are. with a coach who I think may have lost the bench and dressing room.

As I stated, changes have to be made between now and the draft. The question is will OSEG make them.

 

[sirius67fan]

Are we gonna be able to field a team today with Gerrior suspended? Jokes aside is there a minimum of dressed players required to have a game??? Looks like the team wants to keep Bowes/ Kingwell in tier2 amap this year to continue developing with good teams so further limits our roster. Could be ugly today even if Flint isn't a powerhouse.

 

[OMG67]

Rightly or wrongly, I think OSEG and their proxy JB are following the same template that Killer, Earl, and Howard followed: Build a competitive team that is at or near the top every year, Qualify for the playoffs, and go as deep as you can. We must consider that Killer got an M Cup and had a few teams that went further than people expected.

The same can be said for Boyd and Andre. They were able to build teams tht were good and competed at the top. Andre was able to take the drafted players and players who really should not have been in the league and develop them to the top of their potential.

The problem is that JB is not sure what he wants to do and how to do it. Consider that he has never had a real mentor who knew what he was doing as a GM. Then add in the coach. Let's face it: you really can not say that DC has developed any players to the best of their potential. Again, this is to use the argument of lack of ice time for rookies For taking the top-scoring DEFENCEMAN IN THE LEAGUE and, after trading for him, trying to develop him into the DC system and using him the way he was best used.

I understand that there is a consensus here that thinks that to go for it you need to trade the farm and be a crap team. We could have done that last year, and still, I think we would have ended up where we were only with nothing on the ice this year.

Two years ago, we saw this team's future, and it did not look good. That was the last year that we could go for it. I think Boyd's challenge was that he did not know about Andre getting an NHL offer and taking his assistant with him. Drafting the right players, trading the right packages, and developing the on-ice product have all been suspect on this team. consider that last year, we did not have dependable goaltending due to injuries and indecision. Up front, we did not have a lot of offence. Whitehead would not have been a highly sought-after pick, as he did not get any ice time to show what he had. We did not have a lot of draft picks as Boyud traded them for Morrison and Minty.

Hence, we are where we are. with a coach who I think may have lost the bench and dressing room.

As I stated, changes have to be made between now and the draft. The question is will OSEG make them.

You can’t compare Kilrea/Montagano vs now. The whole landscape has flipped. When other teams made a push, they traded a 2nd round pick for a stud player. Now, teams trade their entire future for multiple players. This basically started in ‘05 with Hunter and the Knights.

30 years ago, you could play the competitive every year card. But, look at Kilrea’s teams after 2005 when the page totally flipped. He wasn’t as consistently competitive anymore.

The comparisons can not be then and now. It needs to be with the current landscape. What teams are doing now to be successful is the benchmark.

Last year they should have gone for it but, like the previous year they didn’t go hard enough. Like I said previously, pick a year and push hard. Dont go half asses two years in a row. Do that and you get half assed results.

Last year was a symptom of not going hard the year before. Hamilton did not need to go get MacTavish. They were strong enough without him. But, they didn’t leave anything to chance. They got him anyway.

The problem is every time you make this argument, you don’t factor in the winning strategy. Building a winner takes multiple years and it needs to be mapped out a few seasons in advance. The players are assets to move strategically. Boyd isn’t that guy. He is loyal. Too loyal.

If the goal is to do what is best for the players, is it in their best interest to be loyal? IMO, no. Loyalty is directed to the logo on the front of the sweater. When a GM is loyal to the player that should be moved to acquire a key asset, he is disloyal to the remaining players. He is choosing to not do what it takes to give the other players an honest chance at winning. He is turning his back on the logo on the front of the sweater and is placing loyalty toward a few names on the back of a sweater.

Is Gerrior actually suspended? I know he got a Game Misconduct but I’m not sure that was a penalty.

 

[Vector Calculus]

Can’t make it to today’s game…if anyone wants two free tickets for today let me know and I’ll transfer them. 2pm start.

 

[sirius67fan]

You can’t compare Kilrea/Montagano vs now. The whole landscape has flipped. When other teams made a push, they traded a 2nd round pick for a stud player. Now, teams trade their entire future for multiple players. This basically started in ‘05 with Hunter and the Knights.

30 years ago, you could play the competitive every year card. But, look at Kilrea’s teams after 2005 when the page totally flipped. He wasn’t as consistently competitive anymore.

The comparisons can not be then and now. It needs to be with the current landscape. What teams are doing now to be successful is the benchmark.



Is Gerrior actually suspended? I know he got a Game Misconduct but I’m not sure that was a penalty.

Suspended pending review on ohl website