Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[44 95 plus tax]

Anyone know what's up with Mayich?

 

[HUSH10]

Anyone know what's up with Mayich?

Sick I'm told.

 

[Hinterland]

Pretty bad period for the 67's but I liked Avila again. He's both aggressive and assertive. Didn't play much but was still noticeable. Could be a good one.

 

[Vector Calculus]

That looked awful for Foster. The way he landed it could be a shoulder or collarbone. Hopefully we see him return tonight but the way he grabbed his arm and headed right down the tunnel I doubt it.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

All this talk about Mews leaving to the NCAA next year. If he does Sudbury made a deal for this year and gets back a few conditional picks and hopefully a deeper playoff run with the group we have here including Musty. Mews has 5 points in two games already. So it's really like dealing for a 19 year graduating player who we don't expect to come back. If he does because he signs with Calgary then we get a players who we can keep an entire year a pretty decent group coming back or he can be dealt at the deadline depending on the direction of the team. I don't view it as a loss whatever way it goes for Sudbury. I think Ottawa only loses if he comes back to Sudbury and we can deal him at next years deadline for possibly an 09 player and picks. But time will tell I guess. Until then can't blame the kid I'm sure there will other players in the league who will play it out the same as Mews in the coming years. Hopefully for your sake it isn't Ottawa again.

WJ

 

[yessir29292]

Dave Cameron wasnt on the bench tonight

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Dave Cameron wasnt on the bench tonight

sick

WJ

 

[HUSH10]

I hope the Ottawa fan who got arrested for attacking the mascot tonight frequently this board. What a tool.

 

[beastintheeast]

I hope the Ottawa fan who got arrested for attacking the mascot tonight frequently this board. What a tool.

Unfortunatley there has always been that portion of teens that want to do that. Evenin the beginning I had a handler with Riley for that purpose and to warn fans. The other side that I was lucky in was that Doug Drain and his people had an understanding.

Also from what i see it was easier in my costume to make repairs and or get the hell out of dodge when there was an issue.

 

[Larionov]

As a Redblacks season ticket holder, I am forever getting emails to buy 67's games. You know the place is getting empty when the old "buy one get one" comes out. Just got that one the other day - buy a January game, get a February/March game for free. Now, OSEG did well overall as a co-host of the WJC, but 67's games are going to be a tough sell for the rest of the year. In sports you either sell winning or you sell hope - I don't see much of either right now...

 

[NordiquesForeva]

As a Redblacks season ticket holder, I am forever getting emails to buy 67's games. You know the place is getting empty when the old "buy one get one" comes out. Just got that one the other day - buy a January game, get a February/March game for free. Now, OSEG did well overall as a co-host of the WJC, but 67's games are going to be a tough sell for the rest of the year. In sports you either sell winning or you sell hope - I don't see much of either right now...

Agreed, I think it will be a dreary back half of the season at TD Place. Not much to get excited about. Personally however, I'm setting aside the questions I have around the team's management and overall strategy, and its coaching, and will still try to get to most games. The players are playing hard and while they're not the most exciting group to watch play, that's not entirely they're fault and therefore I will still support them. The game last Friday evening, while they lost, was entertaining - I'm hoping we get more games like that down the stretch.

 

[44 95 plus tax]

In sports you either sell winning or you sell hope - I don't see much of either right now...

This. Perfectly said. OSEG needs to take your advice.

 

[ecraigs]

This. Perfectly said. OSEG needs to take your advice.

What they are sell is tickets, hope for fans, and futures for their prospects. It is hard to convince imports and high draft picks to sign on when they see little happening. That's how you get defected players, NCAA escapees, and imports who stay at home.

 

[sirius67fan]

So I haven't posted since the deadline as I wanted to ponder things. First off I am extremely unhappy they did not trade Pinelli. Missed opportunity imo big time. As for the Mews trade I can live with it. Did we get full value, no if he returns next year but it wasn't bad considering the rumored circumstances.
There have been a lot of talk on the futures of DC and Boyd. Here's my two cents.

Let's start with DC. First off he is a solid coach. I also think a good number of players like playing for him. However there's been too much smoke about players wanting to leave or not wanting to waive their NTC ( as reported by some insiders) to justify keeping him around. Once that perception is out there the damage is done. As I've said before I think he's a good coach to raise the floor of players but not their ceiling especially in respect to the most talented which he may be stiffling due to a rigid approach. At the end of the day not just a portion of the team needs to want to play for a coach, he needs to engage the majority and I don't think we've seen that the last two years. Very different vibe than the Tourigny years!
So I think he needs to go but I wonder if Boyd ( nice fellow....too nice?) has the guts to do it.

Speaking of Boyd. At the end of the day I think him and Egerts have done a very good job.Drafting has been pretty good and our recruitment of Euro's as well. Trades have also been good as he has given his team a chance in go for it years ( don't want to rehash now if he went far enough). There have been a few questionable decisions though
1-refusal to shed players which resulted in a log jam
2- decision to add last year
3-Mews trade
4-Pinelli non trade
I think #1was a mistake as it could have put us over the top two years ago and in the final against Guelph.
As for #2 although not great in retrospect I did understand the logic.
In respect to #3 there's a lot we don't know. Did Mews ask out? Is the ncaa rumour true and is he serious about it? Boyd might have been pushed into a corner a bit and he did ok, not great.
As for #4 again we don't know everything although Boyd did insinuate on tsn 1200 that Pinelli wanted to stay and did not waive for the options available. However did he wait too long and thus limited the options that would appeal to Pinelli?? Anyway certainly some blame on Boyd to ultimately get nothing!

All and all I am of the opinion ( which might not be popular) that Boyd/Egert should be kept around as their positives far outway the negatives imo and the chances of finding better management team imo are not good. We've been pretty succesful the last 7-8 years. Hopefully he learns from a few mistakes and hopefully makes the coaching change we need to be a destination again.We do have the cupboard ( although not as good as it could have been with a pinelli trade) and upcoming high draft picks to ramp up in the next 2-3years.

 

[OMG67]

So I haven't posted since the deadline as I wanted to ponder things. First off I am extremely unhappy they did not trade Pinelli. Missed opportunity imo big time. As for the Mews trade I can live with it. Did we get full value, no if he returns next year but it wasn't bad considering the rumored circumstances.
There have been a lot of talk on the futures of DC and Boyd. Here's my two cents.

Let's start with DC. First off he is a solid coach. I also think a good number of players like playing for him. However there's been too much smoke about players wanting to leave or not wanting to waive their NTC ( as reported by some insiders) to justify keeping him around. Once that perception is out there the damage is done. As I've said before I think he's a good coach to raise the floor of players but not their ceiling especially in respect to the most talented which he may be stiffling due to a rigid approach. At the end of the day not just a portion of the team needs to want to play for a coach, he needs to engage the majority and I don't think we've seen that the last two years. Very different vibe than the Tourigny years!
So I think he needs to go but I wonder if Boyd ( nice fellow....too nice?) has the guts to do it.

Speaking of Boyd. At the end of the day I think him and Egerts have done a very good job.Drafting has been pretty good and our recruitment of Euro's as well. Trades have also been good as he has given his team a chance in go for it years ( don't want to rehash now if he went far enough). There have been a few questionable decisions though
1-refusal to shed players which resulted in a log jam
2- decision to add last year
3-Mews trade
4-Pinelli non trade
I think #1was a mistake as it could have put us over the top two years ago and in the final against Guelph.
As for #2 although not great in retrospect I did understand the logic.
In respect to #3 there's a lot we don't know. Did Mews ask out? Is the ncaa rumour true and is he serious about it? Boyd might have been pushed into a corner a bit and he did ok, not great.
As for #4 again we don't know everything although Boyd did insinuate on tsn 1200 that Pinelli wanted to stay and did not waive for the options available. However did he wait too long and thus limited the options that would appeal to Pinelli?? Anyway certainly some blame on Boyd to ultimately get nothing!

All and all I am of the opinion ( which might not be popular) that Boyd/Egert should be kept around as their positives far outway the negatives imo and the chances of finding better management team imo are not good. We've been pretty succesful the last 7-8 years. Hopefully he learns from a few mistakes and hopefully makes the coaching change we need to be a destination again.We do have the cupboard ( although not as good as it could have been with a pinelli trade) and upcoming high draft picks to ramp up in the next 2-3years.

I cannot fault any of this. We could quibble on a few things but it would really just be more nit-picky.

With respect to Boyd, I mostly agree. The only caveat I can throw into the mix is we don’t’ know who sets the bar for the “type” of team we try to build. There has been a lot of talk about drafting small. Developing small etc. If the goal is to be continuously competitive, drafting small overall is a GREAT option. You hit on a lot more draft picks because it is the small kids with the lower floors. They are the ones that have advanced skill that are overlooked because of size. The bigger kids tend to have lower floors but higher ceilings. You hit way less often but when you do, you have a power forward that is tough to contend against.

So, this comes down to what type of team you want. If you want to build a championship contender, you usually need a high draf tpick to anchor your roster and that player is usually bigger. If you are continually competitive, you don’t miss the playoffs and you don’t get that top 4 pick. The London Knights have managed to contend because they can pick top-5 talent like Logan Hawery late in the 1st as well as trade for defected players like Dickinson for a few draft picks. Ottawa has been unable to play that game.

The other issue is drafting high ceiling stud Americans. We have drafted a lot of them and many times using middle picks like 5ths and 6ths. The only one we’ve managed to secure was Boucher and likely only because he was a Senators Draft Pick. We have also had local NCAA bound players picked that have shunned the 67s (and the OHL). Is this a waste of draft picks? The latest is Thomas Vandenberg. Will he sign for next year? We have managed ot get some of the deeper fringe OHL types to sign like Bowes, and Kingwell. That’s good but as 17 year olds, they are bottom of roster players that may struggle to get ice and solidify their positions.

I think there are a few more discussion points to add to the Boyd debate. If we were to keep Boyd, how would he search for a coach? Woudl it go to Milley no matter what? IF so, who cares about the GM input. The decision is made.

With respect to Cameron, that should be a foregone conclusion. IMO, you have to be a pretty special coach at 67 years old to come back for a run at another full 4 year cycle bringing you to 71. With the type of resources Ottawa has, if they decided to up their game and not select Milley, I imagine they’d have a very large pool of candidates to choose from….if they decided to go that route.