Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[dirty12]

But I think you and I are on the same page. We are only scanning the market differently. There isn’t’ enough information for anyone not on the inside of league chatter to really have a strong sense of who is committed to buying, selling or staying put. We can only infer the teams that are buying and selling.

In light of that, I fall on the side that I don’t see as many committed buyers as last year. At least not if the prices remain the same as last year. If there is a lack of fully committed buyers, that typically lends itself to a buyers market. There is less demand for the big named players at the typical heavy price demands. How the market adjusts to that is till to be determined.

One potential adjustment could be that the selling teams still want to sell and will do so at whatever price they can get. I don’t think that will happen but it is a possibility.

Another option is the teams that don’t get what they are asking will simply retain their players. I pointed to Ottawa and Stonehouse as an example. If this happens, we could see players come off the market which would decrease supply and potentially cause a rebound in trade compensation. I see this as the most likely scenario. What this means is the trade values will remain consistent to what we’ve seen but we will have less star players moving around compared to last year.

Alternatively, I could be reading the market totally wrong. There could possibly be six teams fully committed like there were last year. If so, you’d be 100% correct. I don’t see that happening but it is far too early to get a strong enough sense either way.

I think we are on the same page in terms of an uncertain supply and demand.
But I believe like in most markets the price is set and supply/demand fluctuations keep the price from being fixed.

Last season more players were made available than at any other time I can recall. Yet prices held firm as more teams stepped up to buy fair priced talent to improve their teams chances in the playoffs and/or upcoming seasons.
At this time, I’m guessing that if there are less trades than last year it will be due to reluctant sellers.

 

[OMG67]

Yes I agree, as I mentioned before. Mews has really good qualities:he's poised and controlled and moves into good offensive positions really well. What is troubling is a certain lack of dynamism. He's young, he may find/develop it; As the best we've got, I hope so.

I agree as well. I had mentioned that I don’t consider him a top pairing D-Man this year. If him and Mayich are to play as a pairing, I think we need to consider them more of a prototypical #2 pairing. This would mean we require a first pairing RH D-Man with offensive upside to pair with Marrelli on the fist pairing. I think that is a better overall fit.

 

[OMG67]

I think we are on the same page in terms of an uncertain supply and demand.
But I believe like in most markets the price is set and supply/demand fluctuations keep the price from being fixed.

Last season more players were made available than at any other time I can recall. Yet prices held firm as more teams stepped up to buy fair priced talent to improve their teams chances in the playoffs and/or upcoming seasons.

That’s an interesting way to look at it for sure. I agree that supply/demand doesn’t necessarily work for the OHL trade market. In a normal market, Sellers don’t typically have the luxury of pulling their goods from the market when they don’t get what they want. They need to continue to flip their goods. In the OHL, teams can pull players from the market if the compensation doesn't match the needs.

The only point I am making is if that happens, it means less player movement. If only three teams are willing to pay the real prices, only three or four star players will move. The same goes for Elite players. IF only one team is willing to move a 2023 1st, it likely means only one elite player will be traded, unless a team is willing to take a lessor package which isn’t likely unless the 16 year old is replaced with a valuable 17 year old.

 

[dirty12]

That’s an interesting way to look at it for sure. I agree that supply/demand doesn’t necessarily work for the OHL trade market. In a normal market, Sellers don’t typically have the luxury of pulling their goods from the market when they don’t get what they want. They need to continue to flip their goods. In the OHL, teams can pull players from the market if the compensation doesn't match the needs.

The only point I am making is if that happens, it means less player movement. If only three teams are willing to pay the real prices, only three or four star players will move. The same goes for Elite players. IF only one team is willing to move a 2023 1st, it likely means only one elite player will be traded, unless a team is willing to take a lessor package which isn’t likely unless the 16 year old is replaced with a valuable 17 year old.

Do we agree that Richmond last season created an anomaly aided by the effects of COVID that had teams overloaded with prospects that we may never see again? The odds of a stuck in the middle team with assets worth 16 yr old 5th and 6th overall picks and a 17 yr old 1st are incredibly low.

 

[OMG67]

Do we agree that Richmond last season created an anomaly aided by the effects of COVID that had teams overloaded with prospects that we may never see again? The odds of a stuck in the middle team with assets worth 16 yr old 5th and 6th overall picks and a 17 yr old 1st are incredibly low.

I’m not sure. I think every year there are high value graduating players on middle to low end teams that become available. I think last year there were more “serious” buyers than we will see this year. How that affects the market remains to be seen. We could see the same number of star players traded at a lower value or we could see a lower number of star players traded at the same value. THAT is what I am curious to see.

 

[dirty12]

I’m not sure. I think every year there are high value graduating players on middle to low end teams that become available. I think last year there were more “serious” buyers than we will see this year. How that affects the market remains to be seen. We could see the same number of star players traded at a lower value or we could see a lower number of star players traded at the same value. THAT is what I am curious to see.

It was nearly 20 years between top 5 selected 16 yr olds traded. I’m doubting 5 & 6 picks were traded in one year. To one team along with a 17 yr old 1st, that is an anomaly I think.

 

[beastintheeast]

If we were to present that lineup next year, it would likely finish somewhere in the 6-8 range. That lineup is considerably weaker than the lineup we have now.

1> You have Mayich gone and replaced with Sirman or Smyth on the first pairing.

2> You have Barlas as a 2nd line centre which essentially takes this year’s unproductive 3rd line and makes it an unproductive 2nd line next year. We’d effectively be a one line scoring team with maybe Whitehead getting a promotion to 2nd line out of necessity.

Those two aspects alone place us behind all of Missy, Barrie, Kingston, and Brantford. If everything goes well, we maybe finish 5th? Maybe? If we were to face any injury issues to any of the top players for any length of time, we drop like a rock. We wouldn’t be able to score enough goals. We’d have to continually win games 2-1.

Yes I am thinking that he may be signed and given the chance to play ECHL or AHL.

2. I said Barlas and Whitehead could fight for the spot but I also realize that neither is a top-line center. The Euro draft may bet us that center but I am not sure.

People keep wanting to add 2-3 players to the team for this year, and that makes no sense to me. I have a hard time with people saying we need to improve our pick or that the Petes will not try for it this year because they need picks then in the next breath they say we should trade for a center and a RHD for this year and next year.

We have had a great run as a top team we knew going in that this was a weaker team than we have had for a while and accepted that we would be a 4th 5th place team. Now all of a sudden, we are talking about going for it with the same team and little to minimal scoring or depth.

Next year we will be going into the season in better condition at center than we did this year. We will have 2(possibly 3) centers that are ready for prime time. I would hope that we draft at least 1 center who is ready to step in as number 4 and possibly a Euro player who can step in.

Starting the year with Gardiner, Whitehead Barlas and a rookie is a step up from where we were in August this year.

Is Barlas going to be a center next year maybe could he be better maybe. If not then we have the ability to again get an OA center to aid us.

AS TO THIS YEAR
We barely have a full lineup.
If we trade any players then we need a body in return. we can not just trade draft picks or next year we will be in worse condition.

This team is entertaining and plays a hard game. Let's enjoy the season and be satisfied with what they do. There is a problem with greed that can be deadly.

We donot have to be the best team in the league every year.

 

[beastintheeast]

But I think you and I are on the same page. We are only scanning the market differently. There isn’t’ enough information for anyone not on the inside of league chatter to really have a strong sense of who is committed to buying, selling or staying put. We can only infer the teams that are buying and selling.

In light of that, I fall on the side that I don’t see as many committed buyers as last year. At least not if the prices remain the same as last year. If there is a lack of fully committed buyers, that typically lends itself to a buyers market. There is less demand for the big named players at the typical heavy price demands. How the market adjusts to that is till to be determined.

One potential adjustment could be that the selling teams still want to sell and will do so at whatever price they can get. I don’t think that will happen but it is a possibility.

Another option is the teams that don’t get what they are asking will simply retain their players. I pointed to Ottawa and Stonehouse as an example. If this happens, we could see players come off the market which would decrease supply and potentially cause a rebound in trade compensation. I see this as the most likely scenario. What this means is the trade values will remain consistent to what we’ve seen but we will have less star players moving around compared to last year.

Alternatively, I could be reading the market totally wrong. There could possibly be six teams fully committed like there were last year. If so, you’d be 100% correct. I don’t see that happening but it is far too early to get a strong enough sense either way.

Looking at the East conference, I really do not see any buyers for top players except maybe Sudbury and even them I am not sure of.

As stated Barrie, Mississauga and Kingston have fairly set teams coming back next year. The only buying I can see is if they can get a player that will help them next year.

I think that with the parity in the conference it is going to be quiet.

I see the buyers being in the West as there is a definite desire to be the other team in the M Cup and they have some pretty good teams.

I think looking at next year you may see the Petes stay status quo and go for it again. They have the parts to be competitive this year. So using the mandate that some 67 fans here have they should go for it.

Ottawa does not have the players that people are going to want and need. As much as I would like to see Donoso traded I do not see a team that needs him as a starting goalie. (remember he is not as good as a backup

Stonehouse while he adds grit is not going to be a big-ticket item also we do not have the players to replace him if he is traded.

Yes Nelson has been signed but I still think that he is better off getting games in NAVAN than sitting on the bench here. Same thing with Dietsch and Yanni

 

[Petes1987]

Looking at the East conference, I really do not see any buyers for top players except maybe Sudbury and even them I am not sure of.

As stated Barrie, Mississauga and Kingston have fairly set teams coming back next year. The only buying I can see is if they can get a player that will help them next year.

I think that with the parity in the conference it is going to be quiet.

I see the buyers being in the West as there is a definite desire to be the other team in the M Cup and they have some pretty good teams.

I think looking at next year you may see the Petes stay status quo and go for it again. They have the parts to be competitive this year. So using the mandate that some 67 fans here have they should go for it.

Ottawa does not have the players that people are going to want and need. As much as I would like to see Donoso traded I do not see a team that needs him as a starting goalie. (remember he is not as good as a backup

Stonehouse while he adds grit is not going to be a big-ticket item also we do not have the players to replace him if he is traded.

Yes Nelson has been signed but I still think that he is better off getting games in NAVAN than sitting on the bench here. Same thing with Dietsch and Yanni

I think Mississauga will be small buyers. They will likely add an overage defenceman and a 19 year old forward. Sudbury has a number of needs. In my opinions they need a goal scoring right winger(who shoots right) to play on their top line, a physical defenceman and a goaltender.

 

[beastintheeast]

I think Mississauga will be small buyers. They will likely add an overage defenceman and a 19 year old forward. Sudbury has a number of needs. In my opinions they need a goal scoring right winger(who shoots right) to play on their top line, a physical defenceman and a goaltender.

I don't think Miss is going to do anything that could hurt next year. They may stay with what they have or do small tinkering if they can get the right price.

Sudbury is a strange beast. I am not sure it has the coaching to get the individuals to play as a team. They have the parts to be a really good team now but are pathetic on the PP.

They are going to need a lot and I am not sure they will be able to compete with the Western teams as far a buying power.

The big question though has nothing to do with anyone other than the Petes What are you guys going to do is the big question

 

[OMG67]

Beast, there is a lot to unpack that doesn’t make sense.

Ottawa and Peterborough are in two completely different Worlds. The Petes have virtually nothing returning next year. They have no ’05 draft class and their ‘06 draft class is barely noticeable. They have literally nothing to build around. If they choose to make a run this year and empty their draft pick cabinet, which would be pretty easy to do in one single significant trade, they will have no picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds in the next four drafts. The only real pieces they’d have to flip are decent OA’s so they may get some 3rds and 5ths back but that’s about it. Status quo for them leaves them in no mans land. Neither strong this year, nor balanced in the coming years. The 67’s have significant pieces from the ‘05 and ‘06 draft class. They can pick and choose which year to make a run and have the pieces to flip the following season to refill draft picks.

Next year will be slightly better at centre, jsut slightly. Gardiner and Whitehead will be a year older. That’s it. Nothing in the system for centres. Barlas isn’t a centre. He is forced into it out of necessity. Drew the short straw so to speak. No different than Sirman being a forward. he was the best suited D-Man to move up to forward when we were short.

Regarding roster size, if the team decides to make seller moves, we do have underage spots available. Yanni, Dietsch, and Nelson can all come up as signed players. We’d roll them off their affiliate cards. Sirman is slated back from injury early in the New Year as well. I agree it would be better to add replacement players to fill holes though. But, the replacement players would play depth roles etc so those players are afterthought waiver claim types at the deadline, no different than us trading away Quick last year to give him a spot to play. Those guys are always available dirt cheap.

We aren’t talking about greed. Part of the challenge is to choose when the most advantageous time is to make a push. It is very possible that neither this year nor next year is that time. I can make that argument quite easily. I think that is likely the most suitable argument to be honest. The next one would be to go for it this year with a weaker league in front of us. The last option is to make a run next year. I really think next year is not a year of destiny for the 67’s. That could change depending on what some of those teams do this year but the writing on the wall doesn’t look great for Ottawa. Other teams look a lot better on paper.

Your points regarding maybe Sudbury being the only potential buyers makes even more sense for Ottawa to make a run. If the Petes sell off (ass seems to be the plan based on previous moves to date), and Missy and Kingston stay status quo, that opens a big door for the 67’s to at least win the division and gain the 2nd seed. Their defence should be strong enough to make a run. Adding a couple decent players will help the offensive side.

You mentioned more movement in the west because of the desire to be in the Memorial Cup. For a Western team to be in the Memorial Cup, they have to win the League Title. Saggy is likely the big spender at the deadline and will likely be the odds on favourite when the dust settles. If they come out of the West, the team they face fromt he east gets the automatic birth. There is more incentive for Eastern Teams to make a run because of that.

The Petes staying status quo and going for it again? With what roster? They are going to have a hard time staying in the playoffs next year. This conference will be strong. Status quo for the 67’s likely places them bottom half and the 67’s roster is going to slaughter the returning Petes roster if they stay status quo. You must have typo’d that statement.

If Ottawa sells, Stonehouse will have value for sure. Any time you can pick up a Marchand type player going into the playoffs, it is a good thing. His goal scoring is down but that is mostly because he hasn’t had an above average centre to play with the entire year. Lawrence is good but if we are being real, he is average at best. He’s 2nd line centre on this team but on a decent team with depth at centre, he is more likely a 3rd line centre and maybe even shifted to the wing. Stonehouse goals scoring stats will increase with a centre that can dish the puck and get it on net when he drives the net. He is relegated to being a shooter to score goals because of lack of talented centre depth on this team.

Agreed about Nelson. Staying in Navan will be better for him. However, they do have a shorter season and their season ends a lot sooner than the 67’s season. He probably wouldn’t sacrifice many games staying with the 67’s if he joins them post-deadline.

I agree about Missy and Sudbury. Missy will likely nibble around the edges and add an OA and maybe a depth piece for cheap. I don’ think they will want to move any 2nd round picks. Sudbury may be in a situation where this is their best chance with the right moves. Adding DiVin, Mayer and a forward or two would do wonders for their team.

 

[beastintheeast]

ounds in the next four drafts. The only real piec

Beast, there is a lot to unpack that doesn’t make sense.

Ottawa and Peterborough are in two completely different Worlds. The Petes have virtually nothing returning next year. They have no ’05 draft class and their ‘06 draft class is barely noticeable. They have literally nothing to build around. If they choose to make a run this year and empty their draft pick cabinet, which would be pretty easy to do in one single significant trade, they will have no picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds in the next four drafts. The only real pieces they’d have to flip are decent OA’s so they may get some 3rds and 5ths back but that’s about it. Status quo for them leaves them in no mans land. Neither strong this year, nor balanced in the coming years. The 67’s have significant pieces from the ‘05 and ‘06 draft class. They can pick and choose which year to make a run and have the pieces to flip the following season to refill draft picks.

Next year will be slightly better at centre, jsut slightly. Gardiner and Whitehead will be a year older. That’s it. Nothing in the system for centres. Barlas isn’t a centre. He is forced into it out of necessity. Drew the short straw so to speak. No different than Sirman being a forward. he was the best suited D-Man to move up to forward when we were short.

Regarding roster size, if the team decides to make seller moves, we do have underage spots available. Yanni, Dietsch, and Nelson can all come up as signed players. We’d roll them off their affiliate cards. Sirman is slated back from injury early in the New Year as well. I agree it would be better to add replacement players to fill holes though. But, the replacement players would play depth roles etc so those players are afterthought waiver claim types at the deadline, no different than us trading away Quick last year to give him a spot to play. Those guys are always available dirt cheap.

We aren’t talking about greed. Part of the challenge is to choose when the most advantageous time is to make a push. It is very possible that neither this year nor next year is that time. I can make that argument quite easily. I think that is likely the most suitable argument to be honest. The next one would be to go for it this year with a weaker league in front of us. The last option is to make a run next year. I really think next year is not a year of destiny for the 67’s. That could change depending on what some of those teams do this year but the writing on the wall doesn’t look great for Ottawa. Other teams look a lot better on paper.

Your points regarding maybe Sudbury being the only potential buyers makes even more sense for Ottawa to make a run. If the Petes sell off (ass seems to be the plan based on previous moves to date), and Missy and Kingston stay status quo, that opens a big door for the 67’s to at least win the division and gain the 2nd seed. Their defence should be strong enough to make a run. Adding a couple decent players will help the offensive side.

You mentioned more movement in the west because of the desire to be in the Memorial Cup. For a Western team to be in the Memorial Cup, they have to win the League Title. Saggy is likely the big spender at the deadline and will likely be the odds on favourite when the dust settles. If they come out of the West, the team they face fromt he east gets the automatic birth. There is more incentive for Eastern Teams to make a run because of that.

The Petes staying status quo and going for it again? With what roster? They are going to have a hard time staying in the playoffs next year. This conference will be strong. Status quo for the 67’s likely places them bottom half and the 67’s roster is going to slaughter the returning Petes roster if they stay status quo. You must have typo’d that statement.

If Ottawa sells, Stonehouse will have value for sure. Any time you can pick up a Marchand type player going into the playoffs, it is a good thing. His goal scoring is down but that is mostly because he hasn’t had an above average centre to play with the entire year. Lawrence is good but if we are being real, he is average at best. He’s 2nd line centre on this team but on a decent team with depth at centre, he is more likely a 3rd line centre and maybe even shifted to the wing. Stonehouse goals scoring stats will increase with a centre that can dish the puck and get it on net when he drives the net. He is relegated to being a shooter to score goals because of lack of talented centre depth on this team.

Agreed about Nelson. Staying in Navan will be better for him. However, they do have a shorter season and their season ends a lot sooner than the 67’s season. He probably wouldn’t sacrifice many games staying with the 67’s if he joins them post-deadline.

I agree about Missy and Sudbury. Missy will likely nibble around the edges and add an OA and maybe a depth piece for cheap. I don’ think they will want to move any 2nd round picks. Sudbury may be in a situation where this is their best chance with the right moves. Adding DiVin, Mayer and a forward or two would do wonders for their team.

I agree with almost everything you say except

I think in the playoffs if the Petes stay reasonably in shape they are they will be hard to beat and will not need to make any trades. remember they play a rough tough defence strategy in the playoffs and that is completely different than anyone in the East.

As to Stonehouse that is the flag that basically tells us what the plan is for the next 3 years. If they trade him for picks then that signifies the rebuild and I agree it is at least a rebuild to 25-26 year.

The Petes so far are still one of the top teams in the division.. I do not see Sudbury making that great a charge. Kingston might try but as we agree they and Mississauga are just going to nibble. To be honest it would not surprise me to see Ludwinski traded if they can get a player and decent picks in return.

If the Petes go for it then it is going to be a 2 possibly 3 horse race with the Petes Mississauga and possibly Bancroft based on the wy they have been playing lately Kingston will be there as well but I see them as a level above us

To me I would not be upset with a 5th place in the standings. I hate wearing out people just to get the home ice advantage.

 

[OMG67]

I agree with almost everything you say except

I think in the playoffs if the Petes stay reasonably in shape they are they will be hard to beat and will not need to make any trades. remember they play a rough tough defence strategy in the playoffs and that is completely different than anyone in the East.

As to Stonehouse that is the flag that basically tells us what the plan is for the next 3 years. If they trade him for picks then that signifies the rebuild and I agree it is at least a rebuild to 25-26 year.

The Petes so far are still one of the top teams in the division.. I do not see Sudbury making that great a charge. Kingston might try but as we agree they and Mississauga are just going to nibble. To be honest it would not surprise me to see Ludwinski traded if they can get a player and decent picks in return.

If the Petes go for it then it is going to be a 2 possibly 3 horse race with the Petes Mississauga and possibly Bancroft based on the wy they have been playing lately Kingston will be there as well but I see them as a level above us

To me I would not be upset with a 5th place in the standings. I hate wearing out people just to get the home ice advantage.

There isn’t much left in the form of teams buying if no one in the East makes a real push. Petes can’t make a push of more than one player. they don’t have the assets. That’s not much of a push. If Ottawa tries to sell and rebuild, Sudbury doesn’t make a push and Missy jsut nibbles, that pretty much locks out the Eastern conference from the trade market.

Kitchener and Saginaw seem to be the only two likely to push hard. Maybe SSM and Guelph enter the fold But I doubt both will. London has made moves over the course of the last two years in an effort to be competitive but not stacking up for one particular season Or at least that isn’t this year or next.

You say it is a two or three horse race in the East but I would suggest it is really a no horse race if no one makes a serious push. With so few teams in your scenario making a serious push, only a small handful of significant trades will even happen. I can’t see that being the case.

There has to be at least one team in the East, likely two that make a serious push because they will see an open window and will jump right through it. This is the whole entire point for Ottawa. If they are one of two teams making a push, they theoretically place themselves in a 50-50 shot at going tot he Championship Final and if that ends up being agaisnt Saginaw, they are int he Memorial Cup. You have to think other teams are looking at it the same way and are jsut waiting for the first shoe to drop before they decide whether they are in or out.

If, and that is still an “if,” Ottawa were to make a couple moves, they could nibble and still potentially come away significantly better. Move out Donoso and place full confidence in MacK to remain healthy. Use two open OA spots on a Centre and RH D-Man. Add a winger with some size. They’d have to part with assets but not anywhere near what they did last year. Again, IF they can swing those deals and it wouldn’t’ cost much, I think it is plausible to make a run. If they are unable to do it cheaply, then I agree we should not be pushing the chips in the middle. It is better to strategically make a few seller moves. BUT, if that is the case, I would look to move Stonehouse and Mayich as well as Donoso. I may even consider moving Gerrior if there is a serious market for him. If next year’s squad is not of a championship calibre and we feel the 25-26 season is more realistic, moves made now should support that squad.

 

[Petes1987]

I don't think Miss is going to do anything that could hurt next year. They may stay with what they have or do small tinkering if they can get the right price.

Sudbury is a strange beast. I am not sure it has the coaching to get the individuals to play as a team. They have the parts to be a really good team now but are pathetic on the PP.

They are going to need a lot and I am not sure they will be able to compete with the Western teams as far a buying power.

The big question though has nothing to do with anyone other than the Petes What are you guys going to do is the big question

The Petes have been fairly quiet on what they are going to do. They really do not have many draft picks to deal. They have one 2nd, three, 3rds, one, 4th and five, 5ths over the next four drafts. They are not trading Cameron Carson as he is Peterborough’s next franchise player. I still think they will do a small rebuild to get younger. They likely will trade Owen Beck for a good 17 year old player (likely a forward) and multiple draft picks. They likely will trade Sam Mayer for a 17 year old defenceman and a couple of draft picks. They will likely add an overage forward to replace Mayer using a 3rd and 5th and add an inexpensive forward. If they get the right overage, add a talented young forward, a good young defenceman and depth forward they will remain competitive. It will be more of a retool instead of a rebuild.

 

[dirty12]

The Petes have been fairly quiet on what they are going to do. They really do not have many draft picks to deal. They have one 2nd, three, 3rds, one, 4th and five, 5ths over the next four drafts. They are not trading Cameron Carson as he is Peterborough’s next franchise player. I still think they will do a small rebuild to get younger. They likely will trade Owen Beck for a good 17 year old player (likely a forward) and multiple draft picks. They likely will trade Sam Mayer for a 17 year old defenceman and a couple of draft picks. They will likely add an overage forward to replace Mayer using a 3rd and 5th and add an inexpensive forward. If they get the right overage, add a talented young forward, a good young defenceman and depth forward they will remain competitive. It will be more of a retool instead of a rebuild.

Oake has shown a tendency to load up one birth year, aiming for contention in their age 19 season. For that reason and available ‘good 17 yr old forwards’ few, I think Beck is moved for an ‘07-1st.

If the price for Mayer is a 17 yr old D plus picks to a team among Mayer’s choices, it might be Sudbury only.
I think the Petes might be a bit flexible here if the ‘67s are willing to part with a minimum of a ‘24-3rd and 3, 4, 5 in later years. The Petes can then go shopping for that ‘06 D elsewhere. (Flint, NB, …)

I just don’t see the Petes being able to hang on to McCoy. Two years in Kingston or Flint or maybe OS or Brantford …

 

[dirty12]

Beast;
I think that if the wolves come out of the deadline with less than an overwhelming on paper favourite, the owner just might lose his mind.

Try explaining to the NB owner marketing the 10th anniversary season in its 11th year of existence or Brantford owner that their teams have no chance of getting through two playoff rounds in a season the conference is at it’s weakest. Brantford, Kingston, Ottawa all have a shot at a top 2 seed; at least one is adding.
I am near certain only serious injury can prevent NB from adding.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

I agree with almost everything you say except

I think in the playoffs if the Petes stay reasonably in shape they are they will be hard to beat and will not need to make any trades. remember they play a rough tough defence strategy in the playoffs and that is completely different than anyone in the East.

As to Stonehouse that is the flag that basically tells us what the plan is for the next 3 years. If they trade him for picks then that signifies the rebuild and I agree it is at least a rebuild to 25-26 year.

The Petes so far are still one of the top teams in the division.. I do not see Sudbury making that great a charge. Kingston might try but as we agree they and Mississauga are just going to nibble. To be honest it would not surprise me to see Ludwinski traded if they can get a player and decent picks in return.

If the Petes go for it then it is going to be a 2 possibly 3 horse race with the Petes Mississauga and possibly Bancroft based on the wy they have been playing lately Kingston will be there as well but I see them as a level above us

To me I would not be upset with a 5th place in the standings. I hate wearing out people just to get the home ice advantage.

Make no mistake, Sudbury will be going for it. 8 players drafted or signed by NHL teams. 3-19yr and 1-20yr at old. Plus a cupboard full of picks. Opportunity is knocking for the Wolfers. Yes we gotta figure out some stuff, but if memory serves me correctly the Pete’s were a bit of a mess last season deep into the season: and then it clicked. OHL Champion. At some point you gotta push all your picks into the middle of the table and say, “I’m all in”.

 

[RangerNation]

Make no mistake, Sudbury will be going for it. 8 players drafted or signed by NHL teams. 3-19yr and 1-20yr at old. Plus a cupboard full of picks. Opportunity is knocking for the Wolfers. Yes we gotta figure out some stuff, but if memory serves me correctly the Pete’s were a bit of a mess last season deep into the season: and then it clicked. OHL Champion. At some point you gotta push all your picks into the middle of the table and say, “I’m all in”.

Careful now, the flip side of the Petes last year was Kitchener. Very similar underperforming season, load up and...It never clicked.

 

[mianjo]

Donoso starts, Mackenzie on the bench

67's with only 16 skatrers

1-1

GOAL #29 Cooper Foster (9) scores. Assists: #25 Brad Gardiner, #11 Henry Mews POWER PLAY 1st 10:5

2-1

GOAL
#17 Brady Stonehouse (9) scores. 1st 16:27

67's lead 2-1 after 1

SHOTS ON GOAL
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Teams[/TH]
[TH]1st[/TH]
[TH]2nd[/TH]
[TH]Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]OTT[/TH]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]KGN[/TH]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[OMG67]

Mack listed as backup today behind Donoso. That‘s some good news.

 

[mianjo]

2-2 after 2

SHOTS ON GOAL

Teams	1st	2nd	Total
OTT	9	9	18
KGN	6	13	19

 

[analyser]

Smyth needs to move the puck quicker, player forechecks hard and he is in trouble. Not fleet of foot, so move the puck fast and avoid the giveaway passes. Horner very borderline OHL player.

 

[Petes1987]

Oake has shown a tendency to load up one birth year, aiming for contention in their age 19 season. For that reason and available ‘good 17 yr old forwards’ few, I think Beck is moved for an ‘07-1st.

If the price for Mayer is a 17 yr old D plus picks to a team among Mayer’s choices, it might be Sudbury only.
I think the Petes might be a bit flexible here if the ‘67s are willing to part with a minimum of a ‘24-3rd and 3, 4, 5 in later years. The Petes can then go shopping for that ‘06 D elsewhere. (Flint, NB, …)

I just don’t see the Petes being able to hang on to McCoy. Two years in Kingston or Flint or maybe OS or Brantford …

The Petes plan going forward is to be competitive every year. The Petes are not going to tank at the trade deadline. They will likely trade only Owen Beck and Sam Mayer. In regards to Mayer. He may not have a choice where he is traded as he likely does not have a no trade clause. The Petes would likely try to trade him to a team of his choice but if the offers are far less than what they want they will trade him to a team that will pay their price. In a draft pick only deal they would likely want at minimum a 2nd and a 3rd. They will listen to offers for other players but only will trade them if a team makes a good offer that includes a player.

 

[HockeyPops]

The Petes plan going forward is to be competitive every year.

What does this statement mean? Top-6 in conference? Top-8 in conference? Or even missing playoffs is ok as long as they keep the games close?

Because the different definitions of what this might mean can result in very different approaches going forward.

 

[mianjo]

2-2 after 3