Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 1)

[OMG67]

Where we differ is that I do not look at or depend on if's especially when we have to beat one of the top team as in the league twice once in their rink and hope that they falter down the stretch.

As to the terminology you can argue which way you want but with this present lineup this is a 5th or 6th place team with the players they have. The only reason that they are still giving you hope is that the 3-4 place teams are in the same level only slightly better.

Remember I have not felt this was a top team all year. It has been my belief that they are right where they are because of the skill level or lack of skill level compared to other Ottawa teams.

When you give a prediction like the 67’s will finish 5th, you are also implying an “if” statement. You aren’t following it through with a reason so you are avoiding the “IF” statement. When you say, “I believe” it is because you are making a prediction. That prediction relies on an “IF” statement. For example:

“If” Ottawa plays at or around the same rate now AND “if” the teams they are up against remain at their same rate, “Then” Ottawa will finish 5th. There are implied If’s.

When someone else states that Oshawa is most likely to win the division based on whatever factors they choose to select to support their claim, it relies on ‘If’s.” It implies it. “If” Oshawa manages to find consistency that the team should have had to date but has struggled finding and “if” they manage to play to their potential, “Then” they will win the division. Again, it is an implied “if.” The prediction of Oshawa winning the division in spite of a tough schedule and less games to compile points also relies on the “if’s” provided you choose to bring that into the argument.

It is my opinion that Brantford has a tough schedule AND they currently have Lardis, Okitundu, Hamada, and Sobolev out of the lineup. The games they have most recently won they’ve been outshot almost 2-1 in many of the games over the last three weeks while playing through those injuries. It is my prediction that they will struggle to maintain their current pace. Your opinion is that despite all of those negative leading indicators, they will remain more competitive than a healthy Ottawa 67’s team that has a relatively easy schedule. I find that insistence odd in light of the factors at play but it is what it is. You are entitled to your opinion.

I am drawing a line to how Ottawa wins the division and then I am placing the odds on it happening. I am still confident that Ottawa has a reasonable chance. You feel they have no chance. I have presented how Ottawa will most likley get 83 points and could potentially get 85 to 87 points. I have presented the prediction for Brantford and Oshawa as well based on strength of schedule and other factors.

We now only need to see it all play out. I am done with this conversation now. There is nothing left to say. We will have a great time down the stretch watching exciting and meaningful hockey.

 

[All the Answers]

For Ottawa to win the division they need to go 7-1 AND Brantford AND Oshawa need to play at a rate lower than they have through roughly 60 games so far. This is HIGHLY unlikely... like well less than 10%.

Ottawa loses 2 of 8 and it's essentially 0%.

 

[Race Dawg]

The 67's are poised for another playoff match up against Oshawa? Hmmm
Don't let Tuesday fool you or a possible Oshawa home ice advantage. Not trying to jinx it but the 67's have basically lived rent free in Oshawa's heads the past few regular seasons. Weren't they like 8-0 last year and 6-2 this year? Lol. Plus Ottawa lifetime against Oshawa in post-season is something like 12-3 no?

 

[dirty12]

I have not actually fact checked; but I believe that ‘if’ the Gens record with Lockhart in the line-up holds, the Gens win the division.

 

[OMG67]

I have not actually fact checked; but I believe that ‘if’ the Gens record with Lockhart in the line-up holds, the Gens win the division.

No. Not correct. It is “IF” all of Brantford, Mississauga, Kitchener, and Sudbury twice all lose to Oshawa, “then” the Gens win the division.

See what I did there?

 

[dirty12]

No. Not correct. It is “IF” all of Brantford, Mississauga, Kitchener, and Sudbury twice all lose to Oshawa, “then” the Gens win the division.

See what I did there?

That must be one of the toughest remaining schedules.

 

[OMG67]

That must be one of the toughest remaining schedules.

Strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Only the standings as they currently look. If you are behind five points with 8 games to play, it is logically impossible to change positions.

 

[mianjo]

Maillet player of the week 9 pts in 3 games

Toronto, Ont. – The Ontario Hockey League today announced that Jacob Maillet of the Ottawa 67’s is the Cogeco OHL Player of the Week, recording nine assists over three contests to help the 67’s earn four points last week.

Maillet started the week with a four-point performance on Thursday, registering four assists as the 67’s defeated the Niagara IceDogs 8-2. He found the scoresheet again on Friday, tallying a pair of helpers as the 67’s earned a 4-3 overtime win against the Mississauga Steelheads. Maillet closed out the week with three more assists on Sunday as the 67’s fell to the Erie Otters 6-5. Seven of Maillet’s assists last week were primary helpers.

A soon-to-be 21-year-old from Dundas, Ont., Maillet has recorded 14 goals, 35 assists, and 49 points over 59 games played between the Windsor Spitfires and 67’s this season. Originally selected in the second round (39th overall) by the Guelph Storm in the 2019 OHL Priority Selection from the Hamilton Jr. Bulldogs U16 AAA program, the 6-foot-1, 193lb. forward has registered 162 points (49-113–162) over 246 regular season games between the Storm, Spitfires and 67’s. Maillet attended rookie camp with the Vancouver Canucks as a free agent invite this past September.

Also considered for the award this week, 67’s teammate Cooper Foster scored four times and added three assists over three games played. Colorado Avalanche prospect Calum Ritchie of the Oshawa Generals was also productive, contributing a total of five goals and two helpers to a three-win weekend.

 

[dirty12]

Strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Only the standings as they currently look. If you are behind five points with 8 games to play, it is logically impossible to change positions.

Oh.
I thought the Battalion had a very good chance of climbing 3 spots to claim the conference. I thought the schedule would be a big factor. Brantford-Oshawa-Sudbury each have 3-4 games against one another in their remaining 7-8 games. The wolves finish with two 3 in 3’s.
I think it’s reasonable to expect Brantford, Oshawa, and Sudbury to lose 3 games, Ottawa to lose at least 1. I do not think it is reasonable to expect zero OTL points.

 

[beastintheeast]

When you give a prediction like the 67’s will finish 5th, you are also implying an “if” statement. You aren’t following it through with a reason so you are avoiding the “IF” statement. When you say, “I believe” it is because you are making a prediction. That prediction relies on an “IF” statement. For example:

“If” Ottawa plays at or around the same rate now AND “if” the teams they are up against remain at their same rate, “Then” Ottawa will finish 5th. There are implied If’s.

When someone else states that Oshawa is most likely to win the division based on whatever factors they choose to select to support their claim, it relies on ‘If’s.” It implies it. “If” Oshawa manages to find consistency that the team should have had to date but has struggled finding and “if” they manage to play to their potential, “Then” they will win the division. Again, it is an implied “if.” The prediction of Oshawa winning the division in spite of a tough schedule and less games to compile points also relies on the “if’s” provided you choose to bring that into the argument.

It is my opinion that Brantford has a tough schedule AND they currently have Lardis, Okitundu, Hamada, and Sobolev out of the lineup. The games they have most recently won they’ve been outshot almost 2-1 in many of the games over the last three weeks while playing through those injuries. It is my prediction that they will struggle to maintain their current pace. Your opinion is that despite all of those negative leading indicators, they will remain more competitive than a healthy Ottawa 67’s team that has a relatively easy schedule. I find that insistence odd in light of the factors at play but it is what it is. You are entitled to your opinion.

I am drawing a line to how Ottawa wins the division and then I am placing the odds on it happening. I am still confident that Ottawa has a reasonable chance. You feel they have no chance. I have presented how Ottawa will most likley get 83 points and could potentially get 85 to 87 points. I have presented the prediction for Brantford and Oshawa as well based on strength of schedule and other factors.

We now only need to see it all play out. I am done with this conversation now. There is nothing left to say. We will have a great time down the stretch watching exciting and meaningful hockey.

My prediction is not based on an if it is based on the level of play that we can see consistently of the team as well as the players and their abilities.

It has nothing to do with what other teams will or will not do. It is not based on if a team loses or if we go undefeated.

What I am looking at and have been consistent with is the fact that while our first line can score goals they have no concept of defensive play as shown by their plus minus.

Next is the fact that we do not have a second line that can be put on the ice and score goals or keep the other team's top line honest.

Our defence, while we were short, a DEFENCEMAN, picked up an offensive wonder that, along with Pineli, was playing defence.

We also have only 4 defences if we include Mayer
The others are not of a high enough quality to gain any looks from teams as a trade piece.

The bottom line is this is a team that started the year with 1 center a rookie center 1 scoring winger
A winger that can cause issues for the other team
and 3 bonafide OPHL defenceman

This was not a team that was going to be a top-of-division team unless everyone really sucked.

We made some trades to try to make the team better, but unfortunately, we do not have the supporting cast to do so.

I said at the beginning of the year, based on what I saw, that this would be a 5/6 place team, and I have been consistent in my belief.

I also said before Xmas that Brantford, based on their play and line up, was not going to fold, and they have not.

However, people here have stated that IF Ottawa can win all it's games and beat Brantford twice. that they are a first place in the division team.

I'm sorry, but given that Mississauga has probably the 2 hottest goalies in the league, I do not see this team going undefeated.

That is my logic. It is not based on if we win. It is based on looking at the stats and the players and the way they have played this year.

 

[OMG67]

Oh.
I thought the Battalion had a very good chance of climbing 3 spots to claim the conference. I thought the schedule would be a big factor. Brantford-Oshawa-Sudbury each have 3-4 games against one another in their remaining 7-8 games. The wolves finish with two 3 in 3’s.
I think it’s reasonable to expect Brantford, Oshawa, and Sudbury to lose 3 games, Ottawa to lose at least 1. I do not think it is reasonable to expect zero OTL points.

NB is currently in 4th. It is not realistic for them to climb over three teams. Don’t be silly.

 

[OMG67]

My prediction is not based on an if it is based on the level of play that we can see consistently of the team as well as the players and their abilities.

It has nothing to do with what other teams will or will not do. It is not based on if a team loses or if we go undefeated.

What I am looking at and have been consistent with is the fact that while our first line can score goals they have no concept of defensive play as shown by their plus minus.

Next is the fact that we do not have a second line that can be put on the ice and score goals or keep the other team's top line honest.

Our defence, while we were short, a DEFENCEMAN, picked up an offensive wonder that, along with Pineli, was playing defence.

We also have only 4 defences if we include Mayer
The others are not of a high enough quality to gain any looks from teams as a trade piece.

The bottom line is this is a team that started the year with 1 center a rookie center 1 scoring winger
A winger that can cause issues for the other team
and 3 bonafide OPHL defenceman

This was not a team that was going to be a top-of-division team unless everyone really sucked.

We made some trades to try to make the team better, but unfortunately, we do not have the supporting cast to do so.

I said at the beginning of the year, based on what I saw, that this would be a 5/6 place team, and I have been consistent in my belief.

I also said before Xmas that Brantford, based on their play and line up, was not going to fold, and they have not.

However, people here have stated that IF Ottawa can win all it's games and beat Brantford twice. that they are a first place in the division team.

I'm sorry, but given that Mississauga has probably the 2 hottest goalies in the league, I do not see this team going undefeated.

That is my logic. It is not based on if we win. It is based on looking at the stats and the players and the way they have played this year.

Here’s a post from the Brantford Forum…

Xhekaj, Sobolev, Bujold, Hamara, Lardis, Okitundu, 6 top/reg players, potentially missing game tomorrow.
Nightmare scenario for Bulldogs staff in Eastern Conference leadership deciding game.
Not sure what they can do at this point, other then try to pull 120% out of every player dressing up for them.
Hope they can keep it close to have an entertaining game.

I take things like this into consideration….

 

[Race Dawg]

The East is wide open as far as playoffs go.
Oshawa is far superior to Ottawa is all I was eluding too and all of the data backs it up without using what if's and theories.

Right far superior considering the 67's were 6-2 against the Generals. Yup sounds superior to me lol

 

[mianjo]

67's lead 1-0

GOAL
#11 Henry Mews (15) scores. Assists: #17 Brady Stonehouse, #6 Thomas SirmanPOWER PLAY
1st 11:12

2-0

GOAL
#12 Braeden Kressler (26) scores. Assists: #29 Cooper Foster, #20 Luca PinelliPOWER PLAY
1st 14:44

67's lead 2-0 after 1

SHOTS ON GOAL

Teams	1st	Total
NIAG	10	10
OTT	17	17

 

[OMG67]

Brantford - 0
Oshawa - 4
***4 minutes left in the 1st.

Shocker

 

[ScoutLife4]

One thi

Right far superior considering the 67's were 6-2 against the Generals. Yup sounds superior to me lol

Regular season doesn’t mean a thing.

 

[mianjo]

3-0

GOAL
#20 Luca Pinelli (43) scores. Assists: #12 Braeden Kressler
2nd 10:54

4-1

GOAL
#23 Will Gerrior (21) scores. Assists: #25 Brad Gardiner, #17 Brady Stonehouse
2nd 15:32

 

[mianjo]

67's lead 4-1 after 2

SHOTS ON GOAL

Teams	1st	2nd	Total
NIAG	10	12	22
OTT	17	10	27

 

[mianjo]

5-1
#23 Will Gerrior (21) scores. Assists: #25 Brad Gardiner, #17 Brady Stonehouse
2nd 15:32
+/-


5-1 after 2

SHOTS ON GOAL
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Teams[/TH]
[TH]1st[/TH]
[TH]2nd[/TH]
[TH]Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]NIAG[/TH]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]OTT[/TH]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

6-1

GOAL
#23 Will Gerrior (22) scores.
3rd 6:13
+/-

GOAL
#17 Brady Stonehouse (19) scores. Assists: #25 Brad Gardiner
3rd 10:07

7-1

GOAL
#24 Kimi Körbler (9) scores. Assists: #20 Luca Pinelli, #11 Henry Mews
3rd 19:24

 

[mianjo]

67'S Win 7-1

SHOTS ON GOAL

Teams	1st	2nd	3rd	Total
NIAG	10	12	10	32
OTT	17	10	11	38

STARS OF THE GAME​

FIRST
#12 Braeden Kressler C
G 1A 1+/- +1Ottawa

SECOND
#33 Collin MacKenzie G
SH 32SV 31GA 1Ottawa

THIRD
#17 Brady Stonehouse RW
G 1A 2+/- +2Ottawa

 

[AGranderson]

Haven’t watched a worse game all year long. That was one terrible hockey game to watch. Will take the 2 points

 

[Race Dawg]

One thi

Regular season doesn’t mean a thing.

Fair enough son. We'll just let the historical post-season data speak for itself.

 

[OMG67]

Haven’t watched a worse game all year long. That was one terrible hockey game to watch. Will take the 2 points

You didn’t watch the game last night vs Peterborough?

 

[badnova]

Can someone explain to me why the defense pairing always change?

 

[OMG67]

Can someone explain to me why the defense pairing always change?

It has been pretty consistent now for a few weeks:

Sirman - Mews
Marrelli - Mayich
Smyth - Mayer

I dont’ think we will see different pairings. Maybe on things like special teams or if someone is in the box but 5 on 5 with no one in the penalty box, those will likely stay as is the rest of the way.