Ottawa 67's 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[AGranderson]

Why would they keep 3 OA forwards?

Now not my team however from all the times kingston has played you guys. Dever is 100% the guy to trade lol. Only problem is you won’t get as much for him.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to either trade for an OA defenceman or keep Horner as the 3rd guy?

Not super familiar with Horner as he hasn’t ever stood out but he only had 6 less points then Dever while being probably a 3rd pairing d man.

They won’t need the OA on the back end or to use as a starter they will have a solid 4 & good 5/6 by then with

Brady/Mews
Marelli/Dietsch
Eshkawkogan/Bonomo

& starter Nelson

Can very easily use all 3 OA spots up front next season



Dever isn’t going to get you many points but he plays in every situation very good on the PK he could have a good season this year

Horner also isn’t going to get you many points but what he will do is keep it physical witch Dever won’t, that type of game isn’t necessary needed anymore unfortunately

I just think they are much higher on Dever from watching he gets alot of time compared to Barlas & Horner on special teams

 

[beastintheeast]

They won’t need the OA on the back end or to use as a starter they will have a solid 4 & good 5/6 by then with

Brady/Mews
Marelli/Dietsch
Eshkawkogan/Bonomo

& starter Nelson

Can very easily use all 3 OA spots up front next season



Dever isn’t going to get you many points but he plays in every situation very good on the PK he could have a good season this year

Horner also isn’t going to get you many points but what he will do is keep it physical witch Dever won’t, that type of game isn’t necessary needed anymore unfortunately

I just think they are much higher on Dever from watching he gets alot of time compared to Barlas & Horner on special teams

IF Boyd and DC agree that this is a retool for the next few years. we are going to have players getting the chance to learn and grow.

24/25 start

Pinelli Gardiner Uronen*/Korbler
Gerrior Foster Korbler/ Horner
Barlas Whitehead Horner/Kelly
Yanni Amidovski Dever

Hilton
After deadline

Gerrior Gardiner Korbler
Barlas Dever Horner
Yanni Whitehead Kelly
Hilton Amidovski Perrier

filler OA

Uronen to me is an enigma I can see bringing him back but if they don't then this depends on who they get and how good they are.

 

[OMG67]

SCORING.
I thought it would be interesting to take a snap shot of our goal scoring last year and try to get a sense of where we should land this year. Last season we scored 253 goals for 3.72 Goals Per Game. That ranked 10th in the league. It wasn’t bad but definitely not great. The previous season we score 286 and finished 4th. I think if the goal is to be competitive, we need to at least score 250 goals. That seems to be the mid point league wide year over year.

Here is my prediction for goals per player. I am going to predict that Pinelli stays but Stonehouse goes in and around when he returns. So the OA’s would be Gerrior, Mayich or Sirman, and MacK. Previous year’s total in parenthesis ().

Pinelli 45 (48) *I think chances are good he plays for Team Canada and misses some time for the tourney
Foster 30 (21)
Gardiner 25 (16)
Gerrior 25 (26)
Mews 25 (15)
Dever 18 (9)
Korbler 12 (10)
Horner 12 (6)
Whitehead 12 (2)
Marrelli 12 (9)
Kelly 10 (4)
Amidovski 10 (0)
Mayich/Sirman 8 (6)
Yanni 7 (1)
Stonehouse 3 (20)
Random Spare Parts 15
TOTAL = 269
***That should put Ottawa around 8th/9th.

That means it would be incumbent on Ottawa’s defence to surrender less than 230 goals against. If they were able to score 270 goals while giving up only 230, I think they could finish around 8th overall. Maybe around 4th in the Conference. I think this requires the team to remain relatively healthy, have everyone step up and advance their stats from last year (in some cases double their goals) and the young defence would have to produce from game one. I think this is not very realistic. I think there is a slant of optimism mixed in here. I don’t think they will score quite that much and I think they will likely give up more than 230 goals. But, I think this is their potential ceiling to start the year. If they can reach their ceiling, who knows what ends up happening?

I think this is how Boyd needs to look at the team heading into the season. I don’t think it is fair to write them off. I still don’t think they will produce at this level but you have to give them a chance the first three months to prove themselves. I do feel it will still be a good team to watch post-deadline with Pinelli traded. I really don’t feel keeping him or trading him will make a difference in the playoffs. They will likely be one and done either way. They will remain respectable either way. I think Boyd would need to add a couple pieces to the roster if he decided he wanted to make a go of it.

 

[beastintheeast]

SCORING.
I thought it would be interesting to take a snap shot of our goal scoring last year and try to get a sense of where we should land this year. Last season we scored 253 goals for 3.72 Goals Per Game. That ranked 10th in the league. It wasn’t bad but definitely not great. The previous season we score 286 and finished 4th. I think if the goal is to be competitive, we need to at least score 250 goals. That seems to be the mid point league wide year over year.

Here is my prediction for goals per player. I am going to predict that Pinelli stays but Stonehouse goes in and around when he returns. So the OA’s would be Gerrior, Mayich or Sirman, and MacK. Previous year’s total in parenthesis ().

Pinelli 45 (48) *I think chances are good he plays for Team Canada and misses some time for the tourney
Foster 30 (21)
Gardiner 25 (16)
Gerrior 25 (26)
Mews 25 (15)
Dever 18 (9)
Korbler 12 (10)
Horner 12 (6)
Whitehead 12 (2)
Marrelli 12 (9)
Kelly 10 (4)
Amidovski 10 (0)
Mayich/Sirman 8 (6)
Yanni 7 (1)
Stonehouse 3 (20)
Random Spare Parts 15
TOTAL = 269
***That should put Ottawa around 8th/9th.

I think Boyd would need to add a couple pieces to the roster if he decided he wanted to make a go of it.

I think going for it would be the dumbest move we could make. Last year, many teams were late, giving us false hope. Boyd made trades to improve the team and compete, giving up draft picks, and we still ended up low.

Personally, I think that we have to wait until after the Import to see what he gets. Then take a look at them in training camp.

If we can draft a center or RW then that will assist the team going forward.

This year is going to be strictly about building and expecting our players to develop and get better every game.

The rookies and second year players should get the ice time to learn in games not sit on the bench.

Whitehead would have learnt a whole lot more if they had been honest with him and sent him to Navan or one of the other CCHL teams to play.

I still disagree and will not forgive DC for playing players who could not perform in the playoffs and having players who were healthy and looking for a chance to play in the playoffs.

 

[NoQuit67s]

SCORING.
I thought it would be interesting to take a snap shot of our goal scoring last year and try to get a sense of where we should land this year. Last season we scored 253 goals for 3.72 Goals Per Game. That ranked 10th in the league. It wasn’t bad but definitely not great. The previous season we score 286 and finished 4th. I think if the goal is to be competitive, we need to at least score 250 goals. That seems to be the mid point league wide year over year.

Here is my prediction for goals per player. I am going to predict that Pinelli stays but Stonehouse goes in and around when he returns. So the OA’s would be Gerrior, Mayich or Sirman, and MacK. Previous year’s total in parenthesis ().

Pinelli 45 (48) *I think chances are good he plays for Team Canada and misses some time for the tourney
Foster 30 (21)
Gardiner 25 (16)
Gerrior 25 (26)
Mews 25 (15)
Dever 18 (9)
Korbler 12 (10)
Horner 12 (6)
Whitehead 12 (2)
Marrelli 12 (9)
Kelly 10 (4)
Amidovski 10 (0)
Mayich/Sirman 8 (6)
Yanni 7 (1)
Stonehouse 3 (20)
Random Spare Parts 15
TOTAL = 269
***That should put Ottawa around 8th/9th.

That means it would be incumbent on Ottawa’s defence to surrender less than 230 goals against. If they were able to score 270 goals while giving up only 230, I think they could finish around 8th overall. Maybe around 4th in the Conference. I think this requires the team to remain relatively healthy, have everyone step up and advance their stats from last year (in some cases double their goals) and the young defence would have to produce from game one. I think this is not very realistic. I think there is a slant of optimism mixed in here. I don’t think they will score quite that much and I think they will likely give up more than 230 goals. But, I think this is their potential ceiling to start the year. If they can reach their ceiling, who knows what ends up happening?

I think this is how Boyd needs to look at the team heading into the season. I don’t think it is fair to write them off. I still don’t think they will produce at this level but you have to give them a chance the first three months to prove themselves. I do feel it will still be a good team to watch post-deadline with Pinelli traded. I really don’t feel keeping him or trading him will make a difference in the playoffs. They will likely be one and done either way. They will remain respectable either way. I think Boyd would need to add a couple pieces to the roster if he decided he wanted to make a go of it.

I think those are realistic predictions.

Barlas did kick in with 10 goals last year; I would expect, if healthy would improve on that too.

The wild card and unknown here is what would Uronen or new european draft pick would contribute?

If you get 15 from Barlas and maybe 20 from Uronen / new european draft pick. then you are getting really close to that 300 goal mark.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

SCORING.
I thought it would be interesting to take a snap shot of our goal scoring last year and try to get a sense of where we should land this year. Last season we scored 253 goals for 3.72 Goals Per Game. That ranked 10th in the league. It wasn’t bad but definitely not great. The previous season we score 286 and finished 4th. I think if the goal is to be competitive, we need to at least score 250 goals. That seems to be the mid point league wide year over year.

Here is my prediction for goals per player. I am going to predict that Pinelli stays but Stonehouse goes in and around when he returns. So the OA’s would be Gerrior, Mayich or Sirman, and MacK. Previous year’s total in parenthesis ().

Pinelli 45 (48) *I think chances are good he plays for Team Canada and misses some time for the tourney
Foster 30 (21)
Gardiner 25 (16)
Gerrior 25 (26)
Mews 25 (15)
Dever 18 (9)
Korbler 12 (10)
Horner 12 (6)
Whitehead 12 (2)
Marrelli 12 (9)
Kelly 10 (4)
Amidovski 10 (0)
Mayich/Sirman 8 (6)
Yanni 7 (1)
Stonehouse 3 (20)
Random Spare Parts 15
TOTAL = 269
***That should put Ottawa around 8th/9th.

That means it would be incumbent on Ottawa’s defence to surrender less than 230 goals against. If they were able to score 270 goals while giving up only 230, I think they could finish around 8th overall. Maybe around 4th in the Conference. I think this requires the team to remain relatively healthy, have everyone step up and advance their stats from last year (in some cases double their goals) and the young defence would have to produce from game one. I think this is not very realistic. I think there is a slant of optimism mixed in here. I don’t think they will score quite that much and I think they will likely give up more than 230 goals. But, I think this is their potential ceiling to start the year. If they can reach their ceiling, who knows what ends up happening?

I think this is how Boyd needs to look at the team heading into the season. I don’t think it is fair to write them off. I still don’t think they will produce at this level but you have to give them a chance the first three months to prove themselves. I do feel it will still be a good team to watch post-deadline with Pinelli traded. I really don’t feel keeping him or trading him will make a difference in the playoffs. They will likely be one and done either way. They will remain respectable either way. I think Boyd would need to add a couple pieces to the roster if he decided he wanted to make a go of it.

I'm most curious about how Pinelli continues his development this coming year. If I remember correctly, he was quite good at the start of the season last year when he was paired with Gardiner, cooled-off when the other teams in the league figured out how to contain them, struggled with Lawrence, then picked up his production significantly when Kressler was acquired. I don't see anyone with Kressler's playmaking talents on this year's 67s team, so I would expect Pinelli to hover in the 40-50 goal range again, maybe on the lower end of things if I'm being realistic. There is just not much offensive depth on this year's team (barring significant development from Gardiner, Foster, or someone like Whitehead) so opponents should be able to really lock-in on Pinelli in terms of matchup/defensive focus, and there is only so much he can do.

On the flip side, if Horner remains at RW (which I fully expect him to), I see no reason why he can't reach 15-20 goals this year. They won't be the prettiest goals, but I expect him to push for 20. He showed a nice touch down the stretch and in the Brantford series. Kelly, if he's still with the team and sticks in a middle-6 type role, should be able to chip in ~15 as well.

 

[OMG67]

I think those are realistic predictions.

Barlas did kick in with 10 goals last year; I would expect, if healthy would improve on that too.

The wild card and unknown here is what would Uronen or new european draft pick would contribute?

If you get 15 from Barlas and maybe 20 from Uronen / new european draft pick. then you are getting really close to that 300 goal mark.

If you insert the Import and Barlas, you take out other players in top 9 roles so you need to deflate their numbers. It is likely a goal in and a goal out scenario at that point. I have everyone inserted into a top 9 role getting at minimum 10 goals. If any of those players drop to a 4th line role, that number goes down.

 

[OMG67]

I'm most curious about how Pinelli continues his development this coming year. If I remember correctly, he was quite good at the start of the season last year when he was paired with Gardiner, cooled-off when the other teams in the league figured out how to contain them, struggled with Lawrence, then picked up his production significantly when Kressler was acquired. I don't see anyone with Kressler's playmaking talents on this year's 67s team, so I would expect Pinelli to hover in the 40-50 goal range again, maybe on the lower end of things if I'm being realistic. There is just not much offensive depth on this year's team (barring significant development from Gardiner, Foster, or someone like Whitehead) so opponents should be able to really lock-in on Pinelli in terms of matchup/defensive focus, and there is only so much he can do.

On the flip side, if Horner remains at RW (which I fully expect him to), I see no reason why he can't reach 15-20 goals this year. They won't be the prettiest goals, but I expect him to push for 20. He showed a nice touch down the stretch and in the Brantford series. Kelly, if he's still with the team and sticks in a middle-6 type role, should be able to chip in ~15 as well.

I think there are opportunities for certain players but I temper those opportunities based on the variability of quality assets down the middle. Can Gardiner settle in as the #1, dever as the #2 and Whitehead as the #3? I have VERY BIG concerns expecting all three to be capable of not only adequately playing those roles but actually excelling at them to the point they help the wingers beside them reach their ceilings. This is why I believe it is not all that realistic to expect the 270 goals that I laid out as the ceiling for offence this year.

As an example, let’s look at Horner. If Dever were the 3rd line centre and he had Stonehouse and Homer as his wingers, I think that line would get some solid mismatches and a player like Horner would benefit from some of those mismatches. However, his line could very well end up being Whitehead as his centre and Yanni or Amidovski as his Left Winger. I don’t see any mismatches with that line and that would lessen his opportunities greatly.

I agree about Pinelli. But, he will get a lot of powerplay goals. He had 15 last year. I think half or close to half of his goals this year will be on the PP. If he had a dynamic centre and did not play for Team Canada, I’d have him over 50 goals with ease. But, like you, I don’t see his opportunities growing while his skills advance. Now, if he were to get traded to a contender at the deadline, I think you’d see a different Pinelli than we will see in the first half with the 67’s. I could see him score 30 in 30 on a new squad gearing up for a long playoff run.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

I think there are opportunities for certain players but I temper those opportunities based on the variability of quality assets down the middle. Can Gardiner settle in as the #1, dever as the #2 and Whitehead as the #3? I have VERY BIG concerns expecting all three to be capable of not only adequately playing those roles but actually excelling at them to the point they help the wingers beside them reach their ceilings. This is why I believe it is not all that realistic to expect the 270 goals that I laid out as the ceiling for offence this year.

As an example, let’s look at Horner. If Dever were the 3rd line centre and he had Stonehouse and Homer as his wingers, I think that line would get some solid mismatches and a player like Horner would benefit from some of those mismatches. However, his line could very well end up being Whitehead as his centre and Yanni or Amidovski as his Left Winger. I don’t see any mismatches with that line and that would lessen his opportunities greatly.

I agree about Pinelli. But, he will get a lot of powerplay goals. He had 15 last year. I think half or close to half of his goals this year will be on the PP. If he had a dynamic centre and did not play for Team Canada, I’d have him over 50 goals with ease. But, like you, I don’t see his opportunities growing while his skills advance. Now, if he were to get traded to a contender at the deadline, I think you’d see a different Pinelli than we will see in the first half with the 67’s. I could see him score 30 in 30 on a new squad gearing up for a long playoff run.

Its difficult to say whether Pinelli can make Team Canada. That will depend a lot on who's available at the junior level, and which players the NHL clubs are willing to loan out to the national program for ~3 weeks. It would be a nice story for him to make it, as it would give the Ottawa fans another reason to get invested in this year's team and likely good for Pinelli's development. Alas, Pinelli is a fairly one-dimensional goal-scoring winger which, if recent history is a guide, there are only 2, maybe 3 spots available for on the team any given year. He's a natural winger which can help, but Canada is not certainly not shy about converting centres to the wing in order to get as much talent as possible on the team.

If the management team/coaching staff is able to identify a playmaking/passing-oriented centre that can optimize Pinelli's shooting ability, he certainly has a good chance. Last year's team struggled to score, so in typical Team Canada fashion they may over-react/over-correct by biasing forward selection towards goal scoring and opening-up spots on the 3rd line for scorers (that would otherwise go to checkers/energy-type players). That may bode well for Pinelli, along with his reasonably strong playoff track record.

Regardless, I do see the same issues at the centre position as you. I struggle to see a solution before the season starts, unless Boyd has someone identified for the Import draft or they make a trade. Overall, I do see scoring as a potential (significant) issue this year.

 

[OMG67]

Its difficult to say whether Pinelli can make Team Canada. That will depend a lot on who's available at the junior level, and which players the NHL clubs are willing to loan out to the national program for ~3 weeks. It would be a nice story for him to make it, as it would give the Ottawa fans another reason to get invested in this year's team and likely good for Pinelli's development. Alas, Pinelli is a fairly one-dimensional goal-scoring winger which, if recent history is a guide, there are only 2, maybe 3 spots available for on the team any given year. He's a natural winger which can help, but Canada is not certainly not shy about converting centres to the wing in order to get as much talent as possible on the team.

If the management team/coaching staff is able to identify a playmaking/passing-oriented centre that can optimize Pinelli's shooting ability, he certainly has a good chance. Last year's team struggled to score, so in typical Team Canada fashion they may over-react/over-correct by biasing forward selection towards goal scoring and opening-up spots on the 3rd line for scorers (that would otherwise go to checkers/energy-type players). That may bode well for Pinelli, along with his reasonably strong playoff track record.

Regardless, I do see the same issues at the centre position as you. I struggle to see a solution before the season starts, unless Boyd has someone identified for the Import draft or they make a trade. Overall, I do see scoring as a potential (significant) issue this year.

Hypothetically speaking, they could add an OA centre. @dirty12 did mention a good fit would be Mayich for Bujold (Brantford) and I agree that would be a good fit. We’d need to find a d-Man that is not an OA but it will come down to organizational need once they have a stronger sense of how the pieces fit together.

Regarding Pinelli and Team Canada, I see a big push to having Michael Misa nail down one of the spots on Left Wing. Romani, Rehkopf, and Cowan seem to be close to locks on the right side for consideration and an invite. Barkey would join Misa and Pinelli as potential invites on the left side. The OHL doesn’t have a lot of elite depth at centre to contribute to that tournament. I think Calum Ritchie may be the only viable candidate. I am not sure what kind of options the other leagues could provide. Pinelli is definitely in good company.

 

[beastintheeast]

There are 3 things that you either are neglecting to recognize or have forgot.

NCAA
WHL
the Q

They also have some pretty good LW. Based on that I really do not see him making the cut

As to centers I think we might have a better idea after the import draft.

Right now I see Gardiner Foster Whitehead Amidovski starting the year at center.

The challenge with Mayich for Bujold or Podolioukh is that if we make that trade then either Gerrior or Sirman have to go also

 

[OMG67]

There are 3 things that you either are neglecting to recognize or have forgot.

NCAA
WHL
the Q

They also have some pretty good LW. Based on that I really do not see him making the cut

As to centers I think we might have a better idea after the import draft.

Right now I see Gardiner Foster Whitehead Amidovski starting the year at center.

The challenge with Mayich for Bujold or Podolioukh is that if we make that trade then either Gerrior or Sirman have to go also

Actually, I didn’t neglect to recognize the other leagues. I specifically said, “I’m not sure what kind of options the other leagues could provide.” The point was those are the forwards that will have eyes on them through December. They will be the most likely candidates to be considered for the Camp invites. Pinelli will be one of them in consideration. There will likely be a couple other forwards that will be considered based on certain intangibles that don’t include elite scoring capabilities.

I have no idea why you continue to pump Foster at centre. He’s been very poor when placed there. Not only has he significantly reduced his offensive production at centre but also the production of those on his wings. That experiment failed miserably. Dever finished the year well at centre and he led the team in scoring (forwards) in the playoffs as a centre. Excluding him from serious consideration as a centre next year is probably short sighted.

I still feel it is likely with amidovski’s size, he may get the nod on the wing in the top 9. I’m not sold on him only getting 4th line duty at centre. That said, he is probably best suited to be the 4th line centre based on the depth chart. That speaks loudly to the overall depth at centre for the 67’s. I feel like Whitehead should start the year as the 4th line centre and allow his play to elevate his role accordingly. I hope the best for him but I’m not sure placing additional pressure on him is viable considering the kid basically didn’t play the entire second half of last season. It may be unrealistic to place 3rd line centre expectations on him.

 

[OHL4Life]

Actually, I didn’t neglect to recognize the other leagues. I specifically said, “I’m not sure what kind of options the other leagues could provide.” The point was those are the forwards that will have eyes on them through December. They will be the most likely candidates to be considered for the Camp invites. Pinelli will be one of them in consideration. There will likely be a couple other forwards that will be considered based on certain intangibles that don’t include elite scoring capabilities.

I have no idea why you continue to pump Foster at centre. He’s been very poor when placed there. Not only has he significantly reduced his offensive production at centre but also the production of those on his wings. That experiment failed miserably. Dever finished the year well at centre and he led the team in scoring (forwards) in the playoffs as a centre. Excluding him from serious consideration as a centre next year is probably short sighted.

I still feel it is likely with amidovski’s size, he may get the nod on the wing in the top 9. I’m not sold on him only getting 4th line duty at centre. That said, he is probably best suited to be the 4th line centre based on the depth chart. That speaks loudly to the overall depth at centre for the 67’s. I feel like Whitehead should start the year as the 4th line centre and allow his play to elevate his role accordingly. I hope the best for him but I’m not sure placing additional pressure on him is viable considering the kid basically didn’t play the entire second half of last season. It may be unrealistic to place 3rd line centre expectations on him.

amidovski profiles more like a winger personally

 

[OMG67]

amidovski profiles more like a winger personally

That is my sense as well. I think they would like him to be a centre but I think playing him as a winger at 16 would be better for his development. Slide him into a centre role on the 3rd line in year two and see what happens. But, I think you are correct. Likely ends up as a winger.

 

[OHL4Life]

That is my sense as well. I think they would like him to be a centre but I think playing him as a winger at 16 would be better for his development. Slide him into a centre role on the 3rd line in year two and see what happens. But, I think you are correct. Likely ends up as a winger.

i think hes a winger his hole ohl career, he was a wniger in barrie this year. did they say they see him as a c?

 

[OMG67]

i think hes a winger his hole ohl career, he was a wniger in barrie this year. did they say they see him as a c?

He was drafted as a listed centre.

Some of these AAA Bantam teams are so stacked that natural centres move to the wing in an effort to keep them on the top line. So, it can be difficult to ascertain whether a player is a centre or a winger. Politics can also play a part to an extent.

With respect to Amidovski, the question is more whether he was shifted to the wing to ensure he kept 1st line minutes while playing with Hawery or whether he really is a winger and wouldn’t have played 2nd line centre behind Hawery regardless. We likely won’t know until the player gets an opportunity at the next level.

 

[OHL4Life]

He was drafted as a listed centre.

Some of these AAA Bantam teams are so stacked that natural centres move to the wing in an effort to keep them on the top line. So, it can be difficult to ascertain whether a player is a centre or a winger. Politics can also play a part to an extent.

With respect to Amidovski, the question is more whether he was shifted to the wing to ensure he kept 1st line minutes while playing with Hawery or whether he really is a winger and wouldn’t have played 2nd line centre behind Hawery regardless. We likely won’t know until the player gets an opportunity at the next level.

hawrey pled wing too. maclean was the centre mostly. u16 just like with the ohl site thou, most of the time they have players listed at centre and never play there. i dont know if amidovski has played c for two years to be honest.

 

[OMG67]

hawrey pled wing too. maclean was the centre mostly. u16 just like with the ohl site thou, most of the time they have players listed at centre and never play there. i dont know if amidovski has played c for two years to be honest.

I guess that is another example. I am reasonably certain Hawery is a true centre. Putting these teams together the way they do really concentrates the talent on a small handful of teams.

 

[OHL4Life]

I guess that is another example. I am reasonably certain Hawery is a true centre. Putting these teams together the way they do really concentrates the talent on a small handful of teams.

hawery probably will be fine, he played centre the year before. not so sure about amidovski

 

[beastintheeast]

Actually, I didn’t neglect to recognize the other leagues. I specifically said, “I’m not sure what kind of options the other leagues could provide.” The point was those are the forwards that will have eyes on them through December. They will be the most likely candidates to be considered for the Camp invites. Pinelli will be one of them in consideration. There will likely be a couple other forwards that will be considered based on certain intangibles that don’t include elite scoring capabilities.

My apologies I just do not see him as in the picture due to size adn skill level

I have no idea why you continue to pump Foster at centre. He’s been very poor when placed there. Not only has he significantly reduced his offensive production at centre but also the production of those on his wings. That experiment failed miserably. Dever finished the year well at centre and he led the team in scoring (forwards) in the playoffs as a centre. Excluding him from serious consideration as a centre next year is probably short sighted.

The question is if dever is ready for 2nd line I am not sure. I also do not know what Kyle DUMB ASS has planned for foster.

I still feel it is likely with amidovski’s size, he may get the nod on the wing in the top 9. I’m not sold on him only getting 4th line duty at centre. That said, he is probably best suited to be the 4th line centre based on the depth chart. That speaks loudly to the overall depth at centre for the 67’s. I feel like Whitehead should start the year as the 4th line centre and allow his play to elevate his role accordingly. I hope the best for him but I’m not sure placing additional pressure on him is viable considering the kid basically didn’t play the entire second half of last season. It may be unrealistic to place 3rd line centre expectations on him.

Looking at the way that DC does NOT use his 4th line and does not develop them a second year of 2 minutes a game for our 2ndd ruond pick is not what I would be looking for.

Also if you put Amidovski on the wing and move Whitehead to purgatory and polishing the bench how is he supposed to show his skill.

We need to develop our centers. We also need to see exactly what we have. To me the best way is to go with what we have and see how they perform. If they feel that whitehead is not what we need then admit that Boyd screwed the proverbial pooch in the last draft and trade him.

AGAIN I DO NOT LIKE DC STYLE OF COACHING SORRY

 

[OMG67]

My apologies I just do not see him as in the picture due to size adn skill level

The question is if dever is ready for 2nd line I am not sure. I also do not know what Kyle DUMB ASS has planned for foster.

Looking at the way that DC does NOT use his 4th line and does not develop them a second year of 2 minutes a game for our 2ndd ruond pick is not what I would be looking for.

Also if you put Amidovski on the wing and move Whitehead to purgatory and polishing the bench how is he supposed to show his skill.

We need to develop our centers. We also need to see exactly what we have. To me the best way is to go with what we have and see how they perform. If they feel that whitehead is not what we need then admit that Boyd screwed the proverbial pooch in the last draft and trade him.

AGAIN I DO NOT LIKE DC STYLE OF COACHING SORRY

I disagree about Cameron from the perspective of minutes played by the 4th line. I think the 4th line gets very adequate minutes. To me, the issue is the construction of the 4th line. I think the two of us agree that the 4th line should be younger players getting spot duty in controlled situations. Unfortunately, Cameron has leaned more towards playing older players and has pushed out the younger players. In his defence, there is the possibility that by drafting the smaller players, DC didn’t feel they were physically capable of competing (Whitehead @ 155lb). So, I will reserve a little judgment. Amidovski is a bigger body to start so we shall see what kind of ice time he gets.

 

[AGranderson]

My apologies I just do not see him as in the picture due to size adn skill level

The question is if dever is ready for 2nd line I am not sure. I also do not know what Kyle DUMB ASS has planned for foster.

Looking at the way that DC does NOT use his 4th line and does not develop them a second year of 2 minutes a game for our 2ndd ruond pick is not what I would be looking for.

Also if you put Amidovski on the wing and move Whitehead to purgatory and polishing the bench how is he supposed to show his skill.

We need to develop our centers. We also need to see exactly what we have. To me the best way is to go with what we have and see how they perform. If they feel that whitehead is not what we need then admit that Boyd screwed the proverbial pooch in the last draft and trade him.

AGAIN I DO NOT LIKE DC STYLE OF COACHING SORRY

You seem to struggle to understand that first year players don’t get a heavy amount of ice time, rebuilding or not in your first year you have to be very elite & strong to be able to keep up & play top 6/9 minutes. Mostly every kid even in the first round unless they are extremely ready to make the jump usually find themselves on the 4th line or bottom pair and that’s how they learn to play at the next level by getting out there when the time is right & learning from the older guys.

 

[OMG67]

You seem to struggle to understand that first year players don’t get a heavy amount of ice time, rebuilding or not in your first year you have to be very elite & strong to be able to keep up & play top 6/9 minutes. Mostly every kid even in the first round unless they are extremely ready to make the jump usually find themselves on the 4th line or bottom pair and that’s how they learn to play at the next level by getting out there when the time is right & learning from the older guys.

I don’t want to speak for Beast but I think his underlying point is that certain players likely should have played more minutes. We did see players like Whitehead dress on the 4th line but then other veteran players would often double shift in his place. Barlas would play a lot of centre and Kelly right wing on that 4th line but Whitehead hardly played actual minutes.

From my perspective, a good coach will still find situations to play the 16 year old rookies that are on the roster. If they re unable to find situations they are prepared to play, then they need to be playing Tier II.

There is something to be said about developing with better players in practise situations because of the scrimmaging play but those players can dress for their Tier II team for games but practise at the OHL level with the 67’s. So, there are hybrid options.

The overall concern is whether DC has the ability to develop skills. He has had three years in the organization now as the head coach. Over that three year period, I don’t believe he has adequately developed talent. There are too many players we can point to and consider them as having underachieved. I’m not trying to be overly harsh but I think we should at least take an honest approach to assessing whether the head coach is successful or not. I think there is room to be skeptical of assessments that show DC to be successful.

Beck requested a trade. Both Foster and Gardiner stagnated last season. Mews didn’t leap forward as much as we expected; although, he did finish the season well so I will give that situation a pass. Barlas has not moved the needle. We’ve had two 1st round pick defections under DC (not blaming him directly). Kelly and the rest of our 2006 draft class outside Mews and Marrelli are a massive disappointment. I think there is enough ammunition there to at least present valid questions. It is only a three season sample size so not enough to draw firm evidence.

 

[beastintheeast]

I disagree about Cameron from the perspective of minutes played by the 4th line. I think the 4th line gets very adequate minutes. To me, the issue is the construction of the 4th line. I think the two of us agree that the 4th line should be younger players getting spot duty in controlled situations. Unfortunately, Cameron has leaned more towards playing older players and has pushed out the younger players. In his defence, there is the possibility that by drafting the smaller players, DC didn’t feel they were physically capable of competing (Whitehead @ 155lb). So, I will reserve a little judgment. Amidovski is a bigger body to start so we shall see what kind of ice time he gets.

You seem to struggle to understand that first year players don’t get a heavy amount of ice time, rebuilding or not in your first year you have to be very elite & strong to be able to keep up & play top 6/9 minutes. Mostly every kid even in the first round unless they are extremely ready to make the jump usually find themselves on the 4th line or bottom pair and that’s how they learn to play at the next level by getting out there when the time is right & learning from the older guys.

I will speak for myself and than you OMG67 for outlining my points.

This team last year was struggling. We had an RW player who had shoulder problems and was still getting full minutes.

In the playoffs we had a player that could barely hold his stick

We had lines that were continuously changing with no rhyme or reason.

A player who was at the beginning of the season rated as first round was allowed to stagnate and not develop his skills

A team that had no real chance in the playoffs made the decision to dress players who were hurt and tired instead of playing some of the hungry youth who could have added some zip and heart to the team.

I am against Whitehead on the 4th line because we saw what Cameron does to the 4th line. Nothing.

Yes they need to develop and on a team that is competing I can see them only getting a shift a period BUT this was never a team that was competing.

We traded players just for the sake of selling them. We even let one of them, who was supposedly not good, play in the M Cup.

If I was Whitehead or Amidovski I would be asking for a trade. First round selections are supposed to be players that are going to be stars. So far DC has not made any of them stars

Mews and Marelli excelled in the under-18 but stunk the place out on this team.

This is a yong team that is going to need a coach that can develop the players. I am not sure DC is theman.

The system has always been you put your rookies on the 4th line unless they are stars
The next year, those three players move to the third line and get more minutes because they have developed from the previous year. The next year, they move to the second line and then to the first line.

Granderson, Please tell me one first-round pick that he has developed into a first-line starter that can play 2 ways

If we are not getting the first-round players that can lead this team, then it is either the coach can't develop, or the GM can't draft.

DC can not develop players. He needs older players to win, and he also needs big players, but he has not yet developed a winner.

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DC and Boyd are starting to remind me of Mav and what I saw in Kingston.

 

[OMG67]

I will speak for myself and than you OMG67 for outlining my points.

This team last year was struggling. We had an RW player who had shoulder problems and was still getting full minutes.

In the playoffs we had a player that could barely hold his stick

We had lines that were continuously changing with no rhyme or reason.

A player who was at the beginning of the season rated as first round was allowed to stagnate and not develop his skills

A team that had no real chance in the playoffs made the decision to dress players who were hurt and tired instead of playing some of the hungry youth who could have added some zip and heart to the team.

I am against Whitehead on the 4th line because we saw what Cameron does to the 4th line. Nothing.

Yes they need to develop and on a team that is competing I can see them only getting a shift a period BUT this was never a team that was competing.

We traded players just for the sake of selling them. We even let one of them, who was supposedly not good, play in the M Cup.

If I was Whitehead or Amidovski I would be asking for a trade. First round selections are supposed to be players that are going to be stars. So far DC has not made any of them stars

Mews and Marelli excelled in the under-18 but stunk the place out on this team.

This is a yong team that is going to need a coach that can develop the players. I am not sure DC is theman.

The system has always been you put your rookies on the 4th line unless they are stars
The next year, those three players move to the third line and get more minutes because they have developed from the previous year. The next year, they move to the second line and then to the first line.

Granderson, Please tell me one first-round pick that he has developed into a first-line starter that can play 2 ways

If we are not getting the first-round players that can lead this team, then it is either the coach can't develop, or the GM can't draft.

DC can not develop players. He needs older players to win, and he also needs big players, but he has not yet developed a winner.

Dave Cameron Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics and Records of Dave Cameron, a hockey player and coach from Charlottetown, PEI born Jul 29 1958 who was active from 1977 to 1995.

www.hockeydb.com

DC and Boyd are starting to remind me of Mav and what I saw in Kingston.

That’s pretty harsh, Beast. I get where you are coming from but maybe you are arguing this one a little over the top? Mews and Marrelli didn’t stink the place out. Both have played well. Mews had a very rough start but he did play well in the second half and was decent in the playoffs. I would still say he ended up under expectations but he did put up very respectable stats for a 17 year old d-Man. Marrelli was solid pretty much all year. I would caution using those two as the examples of poor results. I think Barlas and Kelly would be stronger examples. I’d also point to how both Foster and Gardiner stagnating last year as a poor sign of potential things to come.

HOWEVER, Pinelli put up some really strong stats. Dever had a strong finish and very good playoffs. So, there are some bright spots. Like I mentioned previously, it is only a three season sample size so it may be tough to draw definitive conclusions right now. I am concerned but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions at this point either.